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Thu Nov-12-09 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #5 |
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Edited on Thu Nov-12-09 09:44 PM by mzmolly
any of the people involved would be alive if they were vaccinated. HOPEFULLY that is the case, but to assert as much is not accurate. Regardless, it negate the experience of those with severe reactions to vaccination.
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| -Va. teen suffers rare illness (GBS) after swine flu shot ~ CDC says "no clear link." |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 09:24 PM |
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how sad |
ccharles000 |
Nov-12-09 09:27 PM |
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Thankfully he's expected to fully |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 09:33 PM |
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And over 4,000 people have died in the U.S. |
BeatleBoot |
Nov-12-09 09:28 PM |
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Not sure you can make that assertion? |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 09:33 PM |
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Link |
BeatleBoot |
Nov-12-09 09:34 PM |
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That does not prove |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 09:38 PM |
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I respect your personal decision and see your point. |
BeatleBoot |
Nov-12-09 09:49 PM |
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That may be. |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 10:55 PM |
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You seem to be trying to have it both ways... |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-13-09 02:59 PM |
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I assume no such thing. |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 04:41 PM |
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I disagree that... |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-13-09 05:39 PM |
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When people die as a result of an illness |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 07:45 PM |
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I completely agree with you Molly, about the extremism |
Chemisse |
Nov-16-09 08:01 PM |
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"It's rather like censorship. No discussion along those lines is tolerated - period." |
mzmolly |
Nov-16-09 11:29 PM |
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Vaccine odds |
Confusious |
Nov-17-09 05:29 AM |
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Do you have some kind of link? |
mzmolly |
Nov-17-09 01:55 PM |
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Since your so lazy......... |
Confusious |
Nov-17-09 09:32 PM |
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Lazy? This from the person who hasn't bothered to read the OP? |
mzmolly |
Nov-17-09 11:20 PM |
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Well, you said you doubted my numbers |
Confusious |
Nov-18-09 04:05 PM |
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The burden of proof is yours. And you've failed once again. |
mzmolly |
Nov-18-09 10:09 PM |
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You can lead an anti-vaxxers to facts |
Confusious |
Nov-19-09 02:52 PM |
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When you lead anyone to them facts you speak about |
mzmolly |
Nov-20-09 12:41 PM |
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My point proven |
Confusious |
Nov-20-09 02:15 PM |
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Ah |
mzmolly |
Nov-20-09 03:03 PM |
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yep..... |
Confusious |
Nov-20-09 05:52 PM |
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Nah, but thanks for kicking the |
mzmolly |
Nov-20-09 06:58 PM |
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Np, I hope it stays here to show |
Confusious |
Nov-20-09 07:46 PM |
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You've presented nothing resembling fact. I asked you to back up your assertion |
mzmolly |
Nov-20-09 08:23 PM |
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Les'see |
Why Syzygy |
Nov-12-09 09:48 PM |
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Let's See. How many people have died from GBS versus H1N1? |
BeatleBoot |
Nov-12-09 10:01 PM |
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And for those who won't even bother to read your link... |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-12-09 10:06 PM |
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I got the shot because |
BeatleBoot |
Nov-12-09 10:18 PM |
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I only butt-in when teh stupid shows up here. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-12-09 10:35 PM |
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So MSNBC is now teh stupid? |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 11:03 PM |
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And WHO is saying "no one is ever injured from any vaccine, ever"? |
uppityperson |
Nov-13-09 01:51 PM |
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What some say is essentially what I noted. And, it is also suggested that we NEVER |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 01:57 PM |
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We think its stupid to discuss |
Confusious |
Nov-18-09 09:46 PM |
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1/700000 = the odds of getting struck by lightening. 1 in 1000 doses |
mzmolly |
Nov-20-09 12:49 PM |
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That is exactly what I mean! |
Chemisse |
Nov-16-09 08:06 PM |
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Supposing even that we assume... |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-13-09 04:32 PM |
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Why not assume that we could actually prevent vaccine |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 04:47 PM |
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Actually that wouldn't be a bad idea... |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-13-09 05:12 PM |
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That's all I ask |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 05:26 PM |
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The whole GB reaction - if it is valid |
Chemisse |
Nov-16-09 08:09 PM |
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The OP left this out: |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-12-09 09:46 PM |
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Thank you. |
BeatleBoot |
Nov-12-09 09:52 PM |
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Very good point. |
HuckleB |
Nov-12-09 10:58 PM |
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The "OP" can post only four paragraphs |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 11:00 PM |
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A couple of notes. |
Jim__ |
Nov-13-09 09:02 AM |
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No clear link my foot.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-12-09 11:09 PM |
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Shhh, the only time there is a legitimate concern, is if disease |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 11:14 PM |
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Please compare and contrast the vaccines from the 1970s with the vaccines today. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 10:26 AM |
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Well, in comparison, both could cause Guillain-Barre syndrome. |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 11:04 AM |
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Gee, that's convincing. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 11:47 AM |
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I don't know what you want from me.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 11:57 AM |
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A little intellectual honesty. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 01:06 PM |
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That research is pretty honest. |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 01:12 PM |
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Yeah, so you finally looked up one piece of information on the matter... |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:11 PM |
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Yeah, I do.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:14 PM |
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In other words, you're choosing to make assumptions. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:19 PM |
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.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:24 PM |
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Prove it. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:26 PM |
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I already did. |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:27 PM |
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That's one study among many. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:28 PM |
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I've been right on message the whole time. |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:32 PM |
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You're on message all right. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:36 PM |
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From yourlink.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:41 PM |
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Way to pull a line out of context. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:46 PM |
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.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:47 PM |
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You really don't get it, do you? |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:52 PM |
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The Mayo does say this - |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 02:51 PM |
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From reading from various sources today, I'd say that's an opinion that's not universal. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:54 PM |
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HuckleB, take a look at this. |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:11 PM |
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Yeah. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:15 PM |
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Some feel they've |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:19 PM |
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If it was as simple as the bacteria, then perhaps they would have figured it out. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:43 PM |
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The Mayo said the bacteria is the most common cause. |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 04:44 PM |
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Well, if that's what you want to go with, by all means, go with it. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 05:19 PM |
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The Mayo cites the CDC and others |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 07:00 PM |
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That does not mean that Mayo's conclusions are correct. |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 05:30 PM |
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The CDC makes this claim. |
mzmolly |
Nov-16-09 11:25 PM |
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I don't see the CDC making any such claim. |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 11:30 PM |
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Then you didn't read my post #105 very carefully Huck. |
mzmolly |
Nov-16-09 11:38 PM |
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Ah, yes, one little information piece, written by who knows... |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 11:40 PM |
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Oh c'mon. |
mzmolly |
Nov-16-09 11:42 PM |
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Yeah, that's nice. |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 11:43 PM |
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I have to say I disagree. I wish officials knew what caused the issue in 1976. |
mzmolly |
Nov-17-09 12:01 AM |
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Again, if eggs were the issue, the research that's been done would have found the problem. |
HuckleB |
Nov-17-09 10:14 AM |
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Do notify the CDC |
mzmolly |
Nov-17-09 01:52 PM |
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Is that really your response? |
HuckleB |
Nov-17-09 02:18 PM |
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How about this. I just contacted Medimune, who makes the nasal H1N1 |
mzmolly |
Nov-17-09 02:37 PM |
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A pasteurized egg is a dead egg. |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:12 PM |
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Ahhh, |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:17 PM |
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Perhaps... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:19 PM |
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They wont give a shit if |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:21 PM |
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I'll just do my best to avoid egg based vaccines.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:25 PM |
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I hope to see more synthetic vaccines |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:28 PM |
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Poor logic there. Here is more on gbs and campylobacter and other causes... |
uppityperson |
Nov-13-09 04:23 PM |
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An auto immune reaction could also explain why some develop GBS |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 04:49 PM |
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that was 1976 vaccine. this is a different one. Yes, they have changed vaccines since then |
uppityperson |
Nov-13-09 01:52 PM |
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How have they changed the vaccine? |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 01:58 PM |
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It is a bacteria in chicken eggs (Campylobacter) that causes GBS.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:18 PM |
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For starters... |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 05:28 PM |
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The article you posted touts the safety of mercury in vaccines as well. |
mzmolly |
Nov-16-09 11:28 PM |
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They still use eggs to make it.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:15 PM |
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Interesting |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 02:33 PM |
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I disagree. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:38 PM |
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.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:46 PM |
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What is the conclusion of that single study? |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:56 PM |
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What happened to.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:00 PM |
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Thanks for proving that your only point in being here is to play games. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:06 PM |
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Again, you make a big assumption about campylobacter, all by itself. |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 05:31 PM |
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'76 vaccine != '09 vaccine...nt |
SidDithers |
Nov-13-09 02:59 PM |
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Not really... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:02 PM |
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Are you suggesting chicken eggs cause GBS?... |
SidDithers |
Nov-13-09 03:13 PM |
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Campylobacter causes GBS... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:16 PM |
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MANY things cause GBS, including cdiff and "wtf". |
uppityperson |
Nov-13-09 04:16 PM |
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..... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 04:25 PM |
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here... |
uppityperson |
Nov-13-09 04:29 PM |
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The Mayo indicates that the bacteria in question is the most common |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 04:51 PM |
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Exactly. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 04:27 PM |
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It's amazing how many people had a relative who got GBS in 1976. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:07 PM |
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And how many people have told you that? |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:22 PM |
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You can make whatever assumptions you want to make. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:28 PM |
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It's amazing how many people were priestesses or shamens in past lives. |
uppityperson |
Nov-13-09 04:18 PM |
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No doubt about it. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 04:28 PM |
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I did a past life regerssion once, many yrs back, got looked at funny when I came up with only |
uppityperson |
Nov-13-09 04:32 PM |
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Hmmm. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 05:17 PM |
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My father caught it |
conscious evolution |
Nov-20-09 07:09 PM |
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Don’t Blame Flu Shots for All Ills, Officials Say |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:33 PM |
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Would be nice if the same officials would actually investigate |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 02:45 PM |
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Should we investigate every illness that pops up? |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:50 PM |
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When people die, from like causes after a particular intervention, YES. |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:15 PM |
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I really don't know what you want to be done. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:16 PM |
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As I've said |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:23 PM |
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Screening for the bacteria when? |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:28 PM |
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I don't much care |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:33 PM |
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It should be part of the quality control process. n/t |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:40 PM |
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So how do you know that it isn't already done? |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:42 PM |
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I can't find any indication that is is. |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 04:34 PM |
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I can't see how a vaccine would be created without such quality controls. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 05:15 PM |
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I'll tell you what, I'll try to reach the manufacturer(s) |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 05:28 PM |
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Well, ok then. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 05:48 PM |
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You as well. |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 06:28 PM |
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They can't.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:51 PM |
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People do know the truth. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:58 PM |
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I'd be more likely to be vaccinated if they would take precautionary measures. |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:26 PM |
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There's an apparent *additional* approach for protection against H1N1: |
tiptoe |
Nov-13-09 03:26 PM |
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From before the trials began. This shows the differences in surveillance between 1976 and today. |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 05:47 PM |
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Did you see this part? |
mzmolly |
Nov-16-09 11:36 PM |
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Yes. |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 11:41 PM |
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As do I. And, I appreciate an honest look at the big vaccine picture. |
mzmolly |
Nov-16-09 11:43 PM |
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What really bothers me... |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-17-09 06:30 AM |
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What about the anti-vaccine framing? |
mzmolly |
Nov-17-09 01:54 PM |
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I don't usually use the term 'anti-vaccine' unless I am referring to a person or group that |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-20-09 04:43 PM |
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I've heard all the arguments for mass vaccination before. |
mzmolly |
Nov-20-09 07:38 PM |
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If they are made universally available and free... |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-21-09 02:50 AM |
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Over 90% of the US population is in compliance. |
mzmolly |
Nov-21-09 02:55 PM |
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I got GBS in 1976 from the swine flue vaccine |
Christa |
Nov-17-09 03:53 PM |
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my friends dad got the swine flu shot back then |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Nov-17-09 10:37 PM |
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Oh my, |
mzmolly |
Nov-17-09 11:21 PM |
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WHO Update Re: Safety of Pandemic Vaccines |
HuckleB |
Nov-19-09 08:27 PM |
#149 |
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