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Sun Nov-15-09 03:47 PM
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| 143. Autism usually does not involve a regression in a totally typically developing child.. |
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but autism first becoming obvious at an age (typically 2nd year of life), when typically developing children meet crucial milestones in social interaction and communication. A younger autistic child may seem 'normal' until that age, if their IQ is average, because that *is* the time when typical children start showing the abilities that autistic children have particular problems in developing.
There are some children who show a real regression, but that is very rare, and has not been linked to vaccines despite extensive study.
Vaccines (like any medicine) can rarely cause severe reactions; bad illnesses; and on extremely rare occasions death - but they are not the cause of autism.
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| -Autism Spikes, Toxins Suspected - Mercury Rising |
ensho |
Nov-02-09 11:40 AM |
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If we spent our time looking more at pollution and less at vaccines |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 11:41 AM |
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The Coal Barrons say otherwise.... |
Junkdrawer |
Nov-02-09 11:42 AM |
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Yes - exactly |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 11:45 AM |
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Vaccines are one part of an entire whole where the human immunity system is subjected |
KittyWampus |
Nov-02-09 11:43 AM |
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There is no danger in vaccinations; the whole thing is a sham |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 11:45 AM |
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Except some kids have what is quite like an allergic reaction to them. So you are WRONG. |
KittyWampus |
Nov-02-09 11:46 AM |
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Yes, but those allergic reations do not cause AUTISM |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 11:48 AM |
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You don't know what you are talking about. Child progresses normally in development- |
KittyWampus |
Nov-02-09 11:49 AM |
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I think its the other way around pally |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 11:49 AM |
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I am decidedly not your pal. And simple logic and empirical facts prove my statements. |
KittyWampus |
Nov-02-09 11:51 AM |
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No you're my 'pally' - kind of like 'friendo' or 'bud' |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 11:55 AM |
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Perhaps you could try making your point in a more respectful way |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:00 PM |
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You have neither empirical DATA (facts are not empirical) nor simple logic |
PVnRT |
Nov-02-09 01:33 PM |
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Except that no scientific study has come to that conclusion |
NickB79 |
Nov-02-09 11:57 AM |
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Oh KittyWampus doesn't care about studies and facts |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 11:59 AM |
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hilarious, and you used the adjective "childish" in reference to me. You are a perfect example |
KittyWampus |
Nov-02-09 12:14 PM |
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There is this 'ignore' feature you know... |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 12:15 PM |
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Scientists don't really pay attention to parents reporting what is going on. I know half a dozen |
KittyWampus |
Nov-02-09 12:12 PM |
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Scientists don't pay attention to what parents report? Bull |
NickB79 |
Nov-02-09 12:46 PM |
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Support for your point of view |
Voice for Peace |
Nov-02-09 12:51 PM |
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The kid had "developmental issues because they were ALREADY AUTISTIC AT BIRTH |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:30 PM |
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Good, scienctists shouldn't pay attention to parents to get medical data |
NeedleCast |
Nov-02-09 03:43 PM |
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You could fill an encyclopedia.... |
sendero |
Nov-02-09 08:18 PM |
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Any scientific evidence to back that anecdote up? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-02-09 12:14 PM |
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Nope - all KW has is "a friend of a friend who has this cousin..." |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 12:16 PM |
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what? That stress compromises the immune system function? That a compromised immune system |
KittyWampus |
Nov-02-09 12:24 PM |
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Stress on the immune system isn't necessarily a bad thing |
NickB79 |
Nov-02-09 12:53 PM |
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So that would be no studies or scientific evidence? Thanks. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-02-09 06:23 PM |
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Where's your proof? |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 06:48 PM |
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There is no proven link there. |
alarimer |
Nov-02-09 01:08 PM |
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PSA: We don't say "retarded" any more. |
KamaAina |
Nov-02-09 03:19 PM |
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You noticed the demeaning language used by the anti-vaxers and pro-cure bigots, too, eh? |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:35 PM |
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Yeah until some kid tells another kid he has a 'cognitive disability' |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:08 PM |
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Those cases were manufactured lies. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:25 PM |
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I call bullshit |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 06:43 PM |
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Ephasis on "THE ORIGINAL STUDY FAKED RESULTS". |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 09:21 PM |
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Autism usually does not involve a regression in a totally typically developing child.. |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-15-09 03:47 PM |
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Our immune systems are already compromised .... agree -- |
defendandprotect |
Nov-02-09 12:12 PM |
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big difference gettin 3 or 4 when we were kids and getting 30 something now. |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 12:15 PM |
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BWAHAHA! |
TZ |
Nov-02-09 04:04 PM |
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"...go play in the dirt..." unless that dirt is full of toxins n/t |
SoCalDem |
Nov-02-09 04:08 PM |
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Not sure heating and air conditioning have improved our protection from disease |
laughingliberal |
Nov-06-09 03:07 AM |
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Legionellosis is caused by a bacteria |
salvorhardin |
Nov-06-09 05:52 AM |
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I am aware Legionnaires is a bacteria. I am also aware it was spread by a contaminated... |
laughingliberal |
Nov-06-09 09:05 AM |
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I have always felt it was a mistake not to look at environmental factors, which not only |
GreenPartyVoter |
Nov-02-09 11:56 AM |
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I think its the 800lb gorilla in the room |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 12:01 PM |
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Lots of California was mined for mercury around then |
KamaAina |
Nov-02-09 03:17 PM |
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I agree with this |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-15-09 03:51 PM |
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Hmmm...we used to play with mercury as kids. |
MercutioATC |
Nov-02-09 11:46 AM |
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Isn't it interesting how we've gone from that to getting autism from single atoms of the stuff? (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Nov-02-09 11:49 AM |
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Agreed, I think there is some increase in ID that may be adding to the issue. |
GreenPartyVoter |
Nov-02-09 11:58 AM |
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Certainly the rise is diagnosis can be partly attributed to increased ID. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 12:05 PM |
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Agreed |
GreenPartyVoter |
Nov-02-09 12:28 PM |
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There used to be 9 "types" of autism. Now there are something like 26. |
MercutioATC |
Nov-04-09 06:52 AM |
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Gawd |
BeFree |
Nov-02-09 12:09 PM |
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Maybe mercury has a bigger effect in vitro? as does alcohol |
gimberly |
Nov-02-09 01:33 PM |
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I wish I could remember where I saw the stat |
AspenRose |
Nov-02-09 11:47 AM |
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back then 40', 50' I never was in a class room where a student couldn't |
ensho |
Nov-02-09 12:05 PM |
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i knew one autistic child and so severe was not part of school system. and yes |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 12:17 PM |
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of course there were |
northzax |
Nov-02-09 12:30 PM |
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That's because disabled kids weren't integrated into normal schools. |
LeftyMom |
Nov-02-09 12:44 PM |
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It wasn't because they didn't exist. |
donco6 |
Nov-02-09 04:31 PM |
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You were never in a class with me. You would have remembered. |
unc70 |
Nov-10-09 05:41 AM |
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Children with severe problems weren't included in mainstream schools then.. |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-15-09 04:00 PM |
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In the 40's and 50's if you had mental problems |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 06:52 PM |
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Except that autism rates have been spiking in the last 20 years |
Common Sense Party |
Nov-03-09 01:43 PM |
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I have read woman should not eat tuna and other ocean fish while pregnant.... |
wroberts189 |
Nov-02-09 12:02 PM |
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i have one child effected by it. came evident immediately after 2 yr old shots as people demand i |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 12:08 PM |
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If he had been diagnosed with cancer after the vaccines would that prove a link? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-02-09 12:18 PM |
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nothing would matter to you what i say, what i experienced what i saw. |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 12:24 PM |
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Yet when asked questions about your experience you refuse to answer. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-02-09 06:25 PM |
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you are right on. my bad |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 07:19 PM |
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Thanks. Very informative. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-02-09 08:23 PM |
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he told me years ago, 7 or 8 |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 08:41 PM |
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Thank you for sharing. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-02-09 09:35 PM |
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He sounds like a great kid |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:21 PM |
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My eldest son is aspberger's. |
juno jones |
Nov-02-09 12:23 PM |
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my husband and i noticed it about 1 a.m. day of shot. check on him before bed. |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 12:27 PM |
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Yeah, same here. |
juno jones |
Nov-02-09 12:33 PM |
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and parent, what ever you do, just shut the fuck up, you dont know shit. nt |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 12:38 PM |
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Don't shut up, just base your speculations on something that |
msanthrope |
Nov-02-09 12:42 PM |
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right. i will just keep telling myself i really didnt see what i saw. |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 12:46 PM |
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What you saw has a fairly simple explanation--- |
msanthrope |
Nov-02-09 12:53 PM |
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totally respect you post. it is off, but i respect.... lol |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 01:03 PM |
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Right there---you have your answer.... |
msanthrope |
Nov-02-09 01:29 PM |
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That must be incredibly frustrating |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:28 PM |
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But that's just it, no one has disregarded these claims. |
trotsky |
Nov-05-09 09:44 AM |
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Self-delete of misdirected post. nt |
Flying Dream Blues |
Nov-02-09 08:43 PM |
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You are right--anecdote isn't data. My autistic kid had |
msanthrope |
Nov-02-09 12:41 PM |
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I would love to see what my parents would have made of all of this. |
juno jones |
Nov-02-09 01:06 PM |
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Sometimes, when you hold hammer all day, everything is a nail. |
msanthrope |
Nov-02-09 01:35 PM |
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Sorry for your problems |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 06:59 PM |
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That could go along with theory that |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:14 PM |
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Not all fish, not even all marine fish carry mercury in their tissues. |
alarimer |
Nov-02-09 01:11 PM |
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Thanks for the clarification... I was wondering about Tilapia and farm raised..nt |
wroberts189 |
Nov-02-09 01:14 PM |
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talipia from china is high. you have to see where the fish is from |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 01:15 PM |
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The pharma giants are makng sure that they muddy the waters enough to NEVER find the cause |
earth mom |
Nov-02-09 01:36 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-02-09 03:38 PM |
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Well fortunately the mercury has been removed from the vaccines |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:30 PM |
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from iaomt.org and Consumers for Dental Choice |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Nov-02-09 01:44 PM |
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Many austic kids do very well on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet |
cpompilo |
Nov-02-09 02:51 PM |
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Sweet non-existent Jeebus......what a load of shite. |
msanthrope |
Nov-02-09 08:28 PM |
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KIRBY IS A FUCKING FRAUD. I AM NOT A "NATIONAL CRISIS" |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:07 PM |
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Maybe you are, and you just don't know it? |
Orrex |
Nov-02-09 03:22 PM |
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Well many of us on the spectrum are getting pissed off at being called "broken" and "brain damaged". |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:33 PM |
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You're absolutely right, of course, but... |
Orrex |
Nov-02-09 03:37 PM |
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Get a fucking clue. NO ONE is talking about you or your situation. |
earth mom |
Nov-02-09 03:57 PM |
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And the nefarious KamaAina is right behind him! |
KamaAina |
Nov-02-09 03:47 PM |
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Oh god! I think I PMed you once! |
Orrex |
Nov-02-09 03:47 PM |
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I couldn't find it. Looks like you're safe as a neurotypical for now. |
KamaAina |
Nov-02-09 04:07 PM |
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LOL! |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 09:26 PM |
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It is interesting |
JerseygirlCT |
Nov-02-09 04:11 PM |
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Interesting fact: 2/3 of the livestock-handling facilities were designed by an autistic woman. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 09:34 PM |
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Perhaps you should not take all this so personally |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:35 PM |
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Relevant article by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. from 2005... |
TeeYiYi |
Nov-02-09 03:12 PM |
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Sad that RFK jr. has fallen for this hysterical BS. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:17 PM |
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Thimoseral has mercury in it. You think we should EVER ingest mercury? |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Nov-02-09 03:38 PM |
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And it's been proven to be harmless in that form. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:40 PM |
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Harmless????? |
Junkdrawer |
Nov-02-09 08:41 PM |
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Yea well, have to much vitamin C |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 10:09 PM |
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Oh, I see.. Mostly Harmless.... |
Junkdrawer |
Nov-03-09 08:28 AM |
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No, I don't think you do |
Confusious |
Nov-03-09 01:32 PM |
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But what if a baby inherits a defect in which he or she cannot |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:41 PM |
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What the child has no liver? |
Confusious |
Nov-15-09 03:17 PM |
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Metallothionein.... look it up. |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Nov-19-09 07:08 PM |
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Yes, and there is no disease |
Confusious |
Nov-20-09 05:00 AM |
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Confuzious doesn't know what that disease would be.... it would |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Nov-20-09 05:19 PM |
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However the wiki for metallothionein says... |
trotsky |
Nov-20-09 05:53 PM |
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We weren't talking about a disease with a damaged nervous system |
Confusious |
Nov-20-09 05:57 PM |
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Open your eyes or keep them closed.... makes little difference. |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Nov-20-09 06:36 PM |
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So a person with autism has low zinc/ copper ratio |
Confusious |
Nov-20-09 07:54 PM |
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All I am saying is that some persons accumulate toxins and heavy metals while others |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Nov-21-09 07:02 AM |
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The nervous system is very sensitive to ALL forms of mercury. |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:39 PM |
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Thermisol has no free mercury in it. |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 07:08 PM |
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Carbon dioxide has carbon monoxide in it. |
sudopod |
Nov-02-09 07:54 PM |
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No, that's not good enough... |
SidDithers |
Nov-05-09 08:55 AM |
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Why is he talking about mercury toxicity? |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 07:06 PM |
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All those fillings leak mercury fumes, in spite of what the ADA says.. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Nov-02-09 08:10 PM |
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Your scientific ignorance is showing. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 09:35 PM |
#108 |
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Lets talk about the dangers of salt |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 10:14 PM |
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That would only be a problem if NaCl (salt) was likely to dissociate |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:48 PM |
#132 |
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and a link to this is where? |
Confusious |
Nov-15-09 03:13 PM |
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It does not need to be pure mercury to hurt you |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:45 PM |
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Yes, but suprisingly |
Confusious |
Nov-15-09 03:15 PM |
#141 |
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Bookmarked to read later |
chatnoir |
Nov-03-09 09:22 AM |
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And yet a census of autistic adults shows no epidemic |
Book Lover |
Nov-02-09 04:53 PM |
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Yep! |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 09:36 PM |
#110 |
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Actually, there's NO scientific evidence of a real rise in autism cases. |
TheWraith |
Nov-02-09 07:03 PM |
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"For Kirby, the parallel rise in environmental pollution and autism rates are related" |
Hekate |
Nov-02-09 10:34 PM |
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you know what? |
Bombero1956 |
Nov-03-09 09:11 AM |
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There have been many studies on the relationship between toxins and auto immune diseases. |
Jennicut |
Nov-03-09 12:48 PM |
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Autism DIAGNOSES spikes. eom |
uppityperson |
Nov-04-09 05:16 PM |
#124 |
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autism |
tova |
Nov-09-09 02:20 PM |
#138 |
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