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Mon Nov-02-09 01:06 PM
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| 51. I would love to see what my parents would have made of all of this. |
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Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 01:08 PM by juno jones
Your kid had preservative free vaccines. Good for her. Mine didn't.
It just seems weird that my father noticied the dystonia of my son's muscles the night of the shot. He said it felt like he was holding the center of his gravity somewhere outside his body and he was holding himself too stiffly for a newborn. From a specialist in early childhood education who had held that child every night since he had been born. (And many normal babies as well, he was the gentle soul who sat up all night with all the babies in the family).
I am not arguing about autism having a genetic component. I'm on the spectrum too. But there seems to be evidence that something was triggering episodes like this in the 90's before the big-to-do about vacs even came to pass.
As far as blaming myself, I never do. Aspberger's ain't a death sentence although you get to know who your friends are really quickly. I blame the companies and the public health center my poverty forced me to go to that stuck mercury in their vials so they could be used multiple times in an assembly line fashion, cha-ching cha-ching...
PS: I don't mean to come off coldly. I am sorry your daughter is autistic. It's hard for any family to deal with.
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| -Autism Spikes, Toxins Suspected - Mercury Rising |
ensho |
Nov-02-09 11:40 AM |
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If we spent our time looking more at pollution and less at vaccines |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 11:41 AM |
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The Coal Barrons say otherwise.... |
Junkdrawer |
Nov-02-09 11:42 AM |
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Yes - exactly |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 11:45 AM |
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Vaccines are one part of an entire whole where the human immunity system is subjected |
KittyWampus |
Nov-02-09 11:43 AM |
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There is no danger in vaccinations; the whole thing is a sham |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 11:45 AM |
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Except some kids have what is quite like an allergic reaction to them. So you are WRONG. |
KittyWampus |
Nov-02-09 11:46 AM |
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Yes, but those allergic reations do not cause AUTISM |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 11:48 AM |
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You don't know what you are talking about. Child progresses normally in development- |
KittyWampus |
Nov-02-09 11:49 AM |
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I think its the other way around pally |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 11:49 AM |
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I am decidedly not your pal. And simple logic and empirical facts prove my statements. |
KittyWampus |
Nov-02-09 11:51 AM |
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No you're my 'pally' - kind of like 'friendo' or 'bud' |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 11:55 AM |
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Perhaps you could try making your point in a more respectful way |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:00 PM |
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You have neither empirical DATA (facts are not empirical) nor simple logic |
PVnRT |
Nov-02-09 01:33 PM |
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Except that no scientific study has come to that conclusion |
NickB79 |
Nov-02-09 11:57 AM |
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Oh KittyWampus doesn't care about studies and facts |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 11:59 AM |
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hilarious, and you used the adjective "childish" in reference to me. You are a perfect example |
KittyWampus |
Nov-02-09 12:14 PM |
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There is this 'ignore' feature you know... |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 12:15 PM |
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Scientists don't really pay attention to parents reporting what is going on. I know half a dozen |
KittyWampus |
Nov-02-09 12:12 PM |
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Scientists don't pay attention to what parents report? Bull |
NickB79 |
Nov-02-09 12:46 PM |
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Support for your point of view |
Voice for Peace |
Nov-02-09 12:51 PM |
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The kid had "developmental issues because they were ALREADY AUTISTIC AT BIRTH |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:30 PM |
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Good, scienctists shouldn't pay attention to parents to get medical data |
NeedleCast |
Nov-02-09 03:43 PM |
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You could fill an encyclopedia.... |
sendero |
Nov-02-09 08:18 PM |
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Any scientific evidence to back that anecdote up? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-02-09 12:14 PM |
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Nope - all KW has is "a friend of a friend who has this cousin..." |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 12:16 PM |
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what? That stress compromises the immune system function? That a compromised immune system |
KittyWampus |
Nov-02-09 12:24 PM |
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Stress on the immune system isn't necessarily a bad thing |
NickB79 |
Nov-02-09 12:53 PM |
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So that would be no studies or scientific evidence? Thanks. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-02-09 06:23 PM |
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Where's your proof? |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 06:48 PM |
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There is no proven link there. |
alarimer |
Nov-02-09 01:08 PM |
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PSA: We don't say "retarded" any more. |
KamaAina |
Nov-02-09 03:19 PM |
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You noticed the demeaning language used by the anti-vaxers and pro-cure bigots, too, eh? |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:35 PM |
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Yeah until some kid tells another kid he has a 'cognitive disability' |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:08 PM |
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Those cases were manufactured lies. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:25 PM |
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I call bullshit |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 06:43 PM |
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Ephasis on "THE ORIGINAL STUDY FAKED RESULTS". |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 09:21 PM |
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Autism usually does not involve a regression in a totally typically developing child.. |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-15-09 03:47 PM |
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Our immune systems are already compromised .... agree -- |
defendandprotect |
Nov-02-09 12:12 PM |
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big difference gettin 3 or 4 when we were kids and getting 30 something now. |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 12:15 PM |
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BWAHAHA! |
TZ |
Nov-02-09 04:04 PM |
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"...go play in the dirt..." unless that dirt is full of toxins n/t |
SoCalDem |
Nov-02-09 04:08 PM |
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Not sure heating and air conditioning have improved our protection from disease |
laughingliberal |
Nov-06-09 03:07 AM |
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Legionellosis is caused by a bacteria |
salvorhardin |
Nov-06-09 05:52 AM |
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I am aware Legionnaires is a bacteria. I am also aware it was spread by a contaminated... |
laughingliberal |
Nov-06-09 09:05 AM |
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I have always felt it was a mistake not to look at environmental factors, which not only |
GreenPartyVoter |
Nov-02-09 11:56 AM |
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I think its the 800lb gorilla in the room |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 12:01 PM |
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Lots of California was mined for mercury around then |
KamaAina |
Nov-02-09 03:17 PM |
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I agree with this |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-15-09 03:51 PM |
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Hmmm...we used to play with mercury as kids. |
MercutioATC |
Nov-02-09 11:46 AM |
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Isn't it interesting how we've gone from that to getting autism from single atoms of the stuff? (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Nov-02-09 11:49 AM |
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Agreed, I think there is some increase in ID that may be adding to the issue. |
GreenPartyVoter |
Nov-02-09 11:58 AM |
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Certainly the rise is diagnosis can be partly attributed to increased ID. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 12:05 PM |
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Agreed |
GreenPartyVoter |
Nov-02-09 12:28 PM |
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There used to be 9 "types" of autism. Now there are something like 26. |
MercutioATC |
Nov-04-09 06:52 AM |
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Gawd |
BeFree |
Nov-02-09 12:09 PM |
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Maybe mercury has a bigger effect in vitro? as does alcohol |
gimberly |
Nov-02-09 01:33 PM |
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I wish I could remember where I saw the stat |
AspenRose |
Nov-02-09 11:47 AM |
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back then 40', 50' I never was in a class room where a student couldn't |
ensho |
Nov-02-09 12:05 PM |
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i knew one autistic child and so severe was not part of school system. and yes |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 12:17 PM |
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of course there were |
northzax |
Nov-02-09 12:30 PM |
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That's because disabled kids weren't integrated into normal schools. |
LeftyMom |
Nov-02-09 12:44 PM |
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It wasn't because they didn't exist. |
donco6 |
Nov-02-09 04:31 PM |
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You were never in a class with me. You would have remembered. |
unc70 |
Nov-10-09 05:41 AM |
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Children with severe problems weren't included in mainstream schools then.. |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-15-09 04:00 PM |
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In the 40's and 50's if you had mental problems |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 06:52 PM |
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Except that autism rates have been spiking in the last 20 years |
Common Sense Party |
Nov-03-09 01:43 PM |
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I have read woman should not eat tuna and other ocean fish while pregnant.... |
wroberts189 |
Nov-02-09 12:02 PM |
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i have one child effected by it. came evident immediately after 2 yr old shots as people demand i |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 12:08 PM |
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If he had been diagnosed with cancer after the vaccines would that prove a link? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-02-09 12:18 PM |
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nothing would matter to you what i say, what i experienced what i saw. |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 12:24 PM |
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Yet when asked questions about your experience you refuse to answer. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-02-09 06:25 PM |
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you are right on. my bad |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 07:19 PM |
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Thanks. Very informative. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-02-09 08:23 PM |
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he told me years ago, 7 or 8 |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 08:41 PM |
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Thank you for sharing. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-02-09 09:35 PM |
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He sounds like a great kid |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:21 PM |
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My eldest son is aspberger's. |
juno jones |
Nov-02-09 12:23 PM |
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my husband and i noticed it about 1 a.m. day of shot. check on him before bed. |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 12:27 PM |
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Yeah, same here. |
juno jones |
Nov-02-09 12:33 PM |
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and parent, what ever you do, just shut the fuck up, you dont know shit. nt |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 12:38 PM |
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Don't shut up, just base your speculations on something that |
msanthrope |
Nov-02-09 12:42 PM |
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right. i will just keep telling myself i really didnt see what i saw. |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 12:46 PM |
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What you saw has a fairly simple explanation--- |
msanthrope |
Nov-02-09 12:53 PM |
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totally respect you post. it is off, but i respect.... lol |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 01:03 PM |
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Right there---you have your answer.... |
msanthrope |
Nov-02-09 01:29 PM |
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That must be incredibly frustrating |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:28 PM |
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But that's just it, no one has disregarded these claims. |
trotsky |
Nov-05-09 09:44 AM |
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Self-delete of misdirected post. nt |
Flying Dream Blues |
Nov-02-09 08:43 PM |
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You are right--anecdote isn't data. My autistic kid had |
msanthrope |
Nov-02-09 12:41 PM |
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I would love to see what my parents would have made of all of this. |
juno jones |
Nov-02-09 01:06 PM |
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Sometimes, when you hold hammer all day, everything is a nail. |
msanthrope |
Nov-02-09 01:35 PM |
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Sorry for your problems |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 06:59 PM |
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That could go along with theory that |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:14 PM |
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Not all fish, not even all marine fish carry mercury in their tissues. |
alarimer |
Nov-02-09 01:11 PM |
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Thanks for the clarification... I was wondering about Tilapia and farm raised..nt |
wroberts189 |
Nov-02-09 01:14 PM |
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talipia from china is high. you have to see where the fish is from |
seabeyond |
Nov-02-09 01:15 PM |
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The pharma giants are makng sure that they muddy the waters enough to NEVER find the cause |
earth mom |
Nov-02-09 01:36 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-02-09 03:38 PM |
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Well fortunately the mercury has been removed from the vaccines |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:30 PM |
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from iaomt.org and Consumers for Dental Choice |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Nov-02-09 01:44 PM |
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Many austic kids do very well on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet |
cpompilo |
Nov-02-09 02:51 PM |
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Sweet non-existent Jeebus......what a load of shite. |
msanthrope |
Nov-02-09 08:28 PM |
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KIRBY IS A FUCKING FRAUD. I AM NOT A "NATIONAL CRISIS" |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:07 PM |
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Maybe you are, and you just don't know it? |
Orrex |
Nov-02-09 03:22 PM |
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Well many of us on the spectrum are getting pissed off at being called "broken" and "brain damaged". |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:33 PM |
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You're absolutely right, of course, but... |
Orrex |
Nov-02-09 03:37 PM |
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Get a fucking clue. NO ONE is talking about you or your situation. |
earth mom |
Nov-02-09 03:57 PM |
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And the nefarious KamaAina is right behind him! |
KamaAina |
Nov-02-09 03:47 PM |
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Oh god! I think I PMed you once! |
Orrex |
Nov-02-09 03:47 PM |
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I couldn't find it. Looks like you're safe as a neurotypical for now. |
KamaAina |
Nov-02-09 04:07 PM |
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LOL! |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 09:26 PM |
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It is interesting |
JerseygirlCT |
Nov-02-09 04:11 PM |
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Interesting fact: 2/3 of the livestock-handling facilities were designed by an autistic woman. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 09:34 PM |
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Perhaps you should not take all this so personally |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:35 PM |
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Relevant article by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. from 2005... |
TeeYiYi |
Nov-02-09 03:12 PM |
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Sad that RFK jr. has fallen for this hysterical BS. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:17 PM |
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Thimoseral has mercury in it. You think we should EVER ingest mercury? |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Nov-02-09 03:38 PM |
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And it's been proven to be harmless in that form. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:40 PM |
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Harmless????? |
Junkdrawer |
Nov-02-09 08:41 PM |
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Yea well, have to much vitamin C |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 10:09 PM |
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Oh, I see.. Mostly Harmless.... |
Junkdrawer |
Nov-03-09 08:28 AM |
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No, I don't think you do |
Confusious |
Nov-03-09 01:32 PM |
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But what if a baby inherits a defect in which he or she cannot |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:41 PM |
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What the child has no liver? |
Confusious |
Nov-15-09 03:17 PM |
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Metallothionein.... look it up. |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Nov-19-09 07:08 PM |
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Yes, and there is no disease |
Confusious |
Nov-20-09 05:00 AM |
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Confuzious doesn't know what that disease would be.... it would |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Nov-20-09 05:19 PM |
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However the wiki for metallothionein says... |
trotsky |
Nov-20-09 05:53 PM |
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We weren't talking about a disease with a damaged nervous system |
Confusious |
Nov-20-09 05:57 PM |
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Open your eyes or keep them closed.... makes little difference. |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Nov-20-09 06:36 PM |
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So a person with autism has low zinc/ copper ratio |
Confusious |
Nov-20-09 07:54 PM |
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All I am saying is that some persons accumulate toxins and heavy metals while others |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Nov-21-09 07:02 AM |
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The nervous system is very sensitive to ALL forms of mercury. |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:39 PM |
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Thermisol has no free mercury in it. |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 07:08 PM |
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Carbon dioxide has carbon monoxide in it. |
sudopod |
Nov-02-09 07:54 PM |
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No, that's not good enough... |
SidDithers |
Nov-05-09 08:55 AM |
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Why is he talking about mercury toxicity? |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 07:06 PM |
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All those fillings leak mercury fumes, in spite of what the ADA says.. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Nov-02-09 08:10 PM |
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Your scientific ignorance is showing. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 09:35 PM |
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Lets talk about the dangers of salt |
Confusious |
Nov-02-09 10:14 PM |
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That would only be a problem if NaCl (salt) was likely to dissociate |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:48 PM |
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and a link to this is where? |
Confusious |
Nov-15-09 03:13 PM |
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It does not need to be pure mercury to hurt you |
Chemisse |
Nov-04-09 05:45 PM |
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Yes, but suprisingly |
Confusious |
Nov-15-09 03:15 PM |
#141 |
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Bookmarked to read later |
chatnoir |
Nov-03-09 09:22 AM |
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And yet a census of autistic adults shows no epidemic |
Book Lover |
Nov-02-09 04:53 PM |
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Yep! |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 09:36 PM |
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Actually, there's NO scientific evidence of a real rise in autism cases. |
TheWraith |
Nov-02-09 07:03 PM |
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"For Kirby, the parallel rise in environmental pollution and autism rates are related" |
Hekate |
Nov-02-09 10:34 PM |
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you know what? |
Bombero1956 |
Nov-03-09 09:11 AM |
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There have been many studies on the relationship between toxins and auto immune diseases. |
Jennicut |
Nov-03-09 12:48 PM |
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Autism DIAGNOSES spikes. eom |
uppityperson |
Nov-04-09 05:16 PM |
#124 |
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autism |
tova |
Nov-09-09 02:20 PM |
#138 |
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