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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:51 PM
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47. Support for your point of view
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 12:51 PM by Voice for Peace
from this parent. Based on intuition and common sense, as well as research I did when my kids were small.

(And.. I think that arrogance ultimately leads to rude awakenings. edit to add, I'm not referring to you. :)


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  -Autism Spikes, Toxins Suspected - Mercury Rising ensho  Nov-02-09 11:40 AM   #0 
  - If we spent our time looking more at pollution and less at vaccines  Taverner   Nov-02-09 11:41 AM   #1 
  - The Coal Barrons say otherwise....  Junkdrawer   Nov-02-09 11:42 AM   #2 
  - Yes - exactly  Taverner   Nov-02-09 11:45 AM   #5 
  - Vaccines are one part of an entire whole where the human immunity system is subjected  KittyWampus   Nov-02-09 11:43 AM   #3 
  - There is no danger in vaccinations; the whole thing is a sham  Taverner   Nov-02-09 11:45 AM   #4 
  - Except some kids have what is quite like an allergic reaction to them. So you are WRONG.  KittyWampus   Nov-02-09 11:46 AM   #7 
     - Yes, but those allergic reations do not cause AUTISM  Taverner   Nov-02-09 11:48 AM   #9 
        - You don't know what you are talking about. Child progresses normally in development-  KittyWampus   Nov-02-09 11:49 AM   #11 
           - I think its the other way around pally  Taverner   Nov-02-09 11:49 AM   #12 
           - I am decidedly not your pal. And simple logic and empirical facts prove my statements.  KittyWampus   Nov-02-09 11:51 AM   #13 
              - No you're my 'pally' - kind of like 'friendo' or 'bud'  Taverner   Nov-02-09 11:55 AM   #14 
              - Perhaps you could try making your point in a more respectful way  Chemisse   Nov-04-09 05:00 PM   #121 
              - You have neither empirical DATA (facts are not empirical) nor simple logic  PVnRT   Nov-02-09 01:33 PM   #58 
           - Except that no scientific study has come to that conclusion  NickB79   Nov-02-09 11:57 AM   #16 
           - Oh KittyWampus doesn't care about studies and facts  Taverner   Nov-02-09 11:59 AM   #18 
           - hilarious, and you used the adjective "childish" in reference to me. You are a perfect example  KittyWampus   Nov-02-09 12:14 PM   #27 
              - There is this 'ignore' feature you know...  Taverner   Nov-02-09 12:15 PM   #30 
           - Scientists don't really pay attention to parents reporting what is going on. I know half a dozen  KittyWampus   Nov-02-09 12:12 PM   #26 
              - Scientists don't pay attention to what parents report? Bull  NickB79   Nov-02-09 12:46 PM   #46 
              - Support for your point of view  Voice for Peace   Nov-02-09 12:51 PM   #47 
              - The kid had "developmental issues because they were ALREADY AUTISTIC AT BIRTH  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 03:30 PM   #70 
              - Good, scienctists shouldn't pay attention to parents to get medical data  NeedleCast   Nov-02-09 03:43 PM   #77 
                 - You could fill an encyclopedia....  sendero   Nov-02-09 08:18 PM   #99 
           - Any scientific evidence to back that anecdote up?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-02-09 12:14 PM   #28 
           - Nope - all KW has is "a friend of a friend who has this cousin..."  Taverner   Nov-02-09 12:16 PM   #31 
           - what? That stress compromises the immune system function? That a compromised immune system  KittyWampus   Nov-02-09 12:24 PM   #36 
              - Stress on the immune system isn't necessarily a bad thing  NickB79   Nov-02-09 12:53 PM   #49 
              - So that would be no studies or scientific evidence? Thanks.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-02-09 06:23 PM   #87 
              - Where's your proof?  Confusious   Nov-02-09 06:48 PM   #90 
           - There is no proven link there.  alarimer   Nov-02-09 01:08 PM   #52 
           - PSA: We don't say "retarded" any more.  KamaAina   Nov-02-09 03:19 PM   #67 
           - You noticed the demeaning language used by the anti-vaxers and pro-cure bigots, too, eh?  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 03:35 PM   #72 
           - Yeah until some kid tells another kid he has a 'cognitive disability'  Chemisse   Nov-04-09 05:08 PM   #122 
           - Those cases were manufactured lies.  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 03:25 PM   #69 
           - I call bullshit  Confusious   Nov-02-09 06:43 PM   #89 
           - Ephasis on "THE ORIGINAL STUDY FAKED RESULTS".  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 09:21 PM   #105 
           - Autism usually does not involve a regression in a totally typically developing child..  LeftishBrit   Nov-15-09 03:47 PM   #143 
  - Our immune systems are already compromised .... agree --  defendandprotect   Nov-02-09 12:12 PM   #25 
  - big difference gettin 3 or 4 when we were kids and getting 30 something now.  seabeyond   Nov-02-09 12:15 PM   #29 
  - BWAHAHA!  TZ   Nov-02-09 04:04 PM   #81 
     - "...go play in the dirt..." unless that dirt is full of toxins n/t  SoCalDem   Nov-02-09 04:08 PM   #83 
     - Not sure heating and air conditioning have improved our protection from disease  laughingliberal   Nov-06-09 03:07 AM   #135 
        - Legionellosis is caused by a bacteria  salvorhardin   Nov-06-09 05:52 AM   #136 
           - I am aware Legionnaires is a bacteria. I am also aware it was spread by a contaminated...  laughingliberal   Nov-06-09 09:05 AM   #137 
  - I have always felt it was a mistake not to look at environmental factors, which not only  GreenPartyVoter   Nov-02-09 11:56 AM   #15 
     - I think its the 800lb gorilla in the room  Taverner   Nov-02-09 12:01 PM   #19 
     - Lots of California was mined for mercury around then  KamaAina   Nov-02-09 03:17 PM   #65 
     - I agree with this  LeftishBrit   Nov-15-09 03:51 PM   #144 
  - Hmmm...we used to play with mercury as kids.  MercutioATC   Nov-02-09 11:46 AM   #6 
  - Isn't it interesting how we've gone from that to getting autism from single atoms of the stuff? (nt)  Posteritatis   Nov-02-09 11:49 AM   #10 
  - Agreed, I think there is some increase in ID that may be adding to the issue.  GreenPartyVoter   Nov-02-09 11:58 AM   #17 
  - Certainly the rise is diagnosis can be partly attributed to increased ID.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-02-09 12:05 PM   #22 
  - Agreed  GreenPartyVoter   Nov-02-09 12:28 PM   #38 
  - There used to be 9 "types" of autism. Now there are something like 26.  MercutioATC   Nov-04-09 06:52 AM   #120 
  - Gawd  BeFree   Nov-02-09 12:09 PM   #24 
  - Maybe mercury has a bigger effect in vitro? as does alcohol  gimberly   Nov-02-09 01:33 PM   #57 
  - I wish I could remember where I saw the stat  AspenRose   Nov-02-09 11:47 AM   #8 
  - back then 40', 50' I never was in a class room where a student couldn't  ensho   Nov-02-09 12:05 PM   #21 
  - i knew one autistic child and so severe was not part of school system. and yes  seabeyond   Nov-02-09 12:17 PM   #32 
  - of course there were  northzax   Nov-02-09 12:30 PM   #39 
  - That's because disabled kids weren't integrated into normal schools.  LeftyMom   Nov-02-09 12:44 PM   #44 
  - It wasn't because they didn't exist.  donco6   Nov-02-09 04:31 PM   #85 
  - You were never in a class with me. You would have remembered.  unc70   Nov-10-09 05:41 AM   #139 
  - Children with severe problems weren't included in mainstream schools then..  LeftishBrit   Nov-15-09 04:00 PM   #145 
  - In the 40's and 50's if you had mental problems  Confusious   Nov-02-09 06:52 PM   #91 
  - Except that autism rates have been spiking in the last 20 years  Common Sense Party   Nov-03-09 01:43 PM   #119 
  - I have read woman should not eat tuna and other ocean fish while pregnant....  wroberts189   Nov-02-09 12:02 PM   #20 
  - i have one child effected by it. came evident immediately after 2 yr old shots as people demand i  seabeyond   Nov-02-09 12:08 PM   #23 
  - If he had been diagnosed with cancer after the vaccines would that prove a link?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-02-09 12:18 PM   #33 
  - nothing would matter to you what i say, what i experienced what i saw.  seabeyond   Nov-02-09 12:24 PM   #35 
     - Yet when asked questions about your experience you refuse to answer.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-02-09 06:25 PM   #88 
        - you are right on. my bad  seabeyond   Nov-02-09 07:19 PM   #96 
           - Thanks. Very informative.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-02-09 08:23 PM   #100 
              - he told me years ago, 7 or 8  seabeyond   Nov-02-09 08:41 PM   #103 
                 - Thank you for sharing.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-02-09 09:35 PM   #109 
                 - He sounds like a great kid  Chemisse   Nov-04-09 05:21 PM   #125 
  - My eldest son is aspberger's.  juno jones   Nov-02-09 12:23 PM   #34 
  - my husband and i noticed it about 1 a.m. day of shot. check on him before bed.  seabeyond   Nov-02-09 12:27 PM   #37 
     - Yeah, same here.  juno jones   Nov-02-09 12:33 PM   #40 
        - and parent, what ever you do, just shut the fuck up, you dont know shit. nt  seabeyond   Nov-02-09 12:38 PM   #41 
        - Don't shut up, just base your speculations on something that  msanthrope   Nov-02-09 12:42 PM   #43 
           - right. i will just keep telling myself i really didnt see what i saw.  seabeyond   Nov-02-09 12:46 PM   #45 
           - What you saw has a fairly simple explanation---  msanthrope   Nov-02-09 12:53 PM   #48 
           - totally respect you post. it is off, but i respect.... lol  seabeyond   Nov-02-09 01:03 PM   #50 
              - Right there---you have your answer....  msanthrope   Nov-02-09 01:29 PM   #56 
           - That must be incredibly frustrating  Chemisse   Nov-04-09 05:28 PM   #126 
              - But that's just it, no one has disregarded these claims.  trotsky   Nov-05-09 09:44 AM   #134 
           - Self-delete of misdirected post. nt  Flying Dream Blues   Nov-02-09 08:43 PM   #104 
        - You are right--anecdote isn't data. My autistic kid had  msanthrope   Nov-02-09 12:41 PM   #42 
           - I would love to see what my parents would have made of all of this.  juno jones   Nov-02-09 01:06 PM   #51 
              - Sometimes, when you hold hammer all day, everything is a nail.  msanthrope   Nov-02-09 01:35 PM   #59 
              - Sorry for your problems  Confusious   Nov-02-09 06:59 PM   #92 
  - That could go along with theory that  Chemisse   Nov-04-09 05:14 PM   #123 
  - Not all fish, not even all marine fish carry mercury in their tissues.  alarimer   Nov-02-09 01:11 PM   #53 
     - Thanks for the clarification... I was wondering about Tilapia and farm raised..nt  wroberts189   Nov-02-09 01:14 PM   #54 
     - talipia from china is high. you have to see where the fish is from  seabeyond   Nov-02-09 01:15 PM   #55 
  - The pharma giants are makng sure that they muddy the waters enough to NEVER find the cause  earth mom   Nov-02-09 01:36 PM   #60 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-02-09 03:38 PM   #75 
  - Well fortunately the mercury has been removed from the vaccines  Chemisse   Nov-04-09 05:30 PM   #127 
  - from iaomt.org and Consumers for Dental Choice  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-02-09 01:44 PM   #61 
  - Many austic kids do very well on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet  cpompilo   Nov-02-09 02:51 PM   #62 
  - Sweet non-existent Jeebus......what a load of shite.  msanthrope   Nov-02-09 08:28 PM   #101 
  - KIRBY IS A FUCKING FRAUD. I AM NOT A "NATIONAL CRISIS"  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 03:07 PM   #63 
  - Maybe you are, and you just don't know it?  Orrex   Nov-02-09 03:22 PM   #68 
  - Well many of us on the spectrum are getting pissed off at being called "broken" and "brain damaged".  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 03:33 PM   #71 
  - You're absolutely right, of course, but...  Orrex   Nov-02-09 03:37 PM   #73 
  - Get a fucking clue. NO ONE is talking about you or your situation.  earth mom   Nov-02-09 03:57 PM   #80 
  - And the nefarious KamaAina is right behind him!  KamaAina   Nov-02-09 03:47 PM   #78 
     - Oh god! I think I PMed you once!  Orrex   Nov-02-09 03:47 PM   #79 
     - I couldn't find it. Looks like you're safe as a neurotypical for now.  KamaAina   Nov-02-09 04:07 PM   #82 
     - LOL!  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 09:26 PM   #106 
  - It is interesting  JerseygirlCT   Nov-02-09 04:11 PM   #84 
  - Interesting fact: 2/3 of the livestock-handling facilities were designed by an autistic woman.  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 09:34 PM   #107 
  - Perhaps you should not take all this so personally  Chemisse   Nov-04-09 05:35 PM   #128 
  - Relevant article by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. from 2005...  TeeYiYi   Nov-02-09 03:12 PM   #64 
  - Sad that RFK jr. has fallen for this hysterical BS.  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 03:17 PM   #66 
  - Thimoseral has mercury in it. You think we should EVER ingest mercury?  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-02-09 03:38 PM   #74 
     - And it's been proven to be harmless in that form.  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 03:40 PM   #76 
     - Harmless?????  Junkdrawer   Nov-02-09 08:41 PM   #102 
     - Yea well, have to much vitamin C  Confusious   Nov-02-09 10:09 PM   #111 
        - Oh, I see.. Mostly Harmless....  Junkdrawer   Nov-03-09 08:28 AM   #114 
        - No, I don't think you do  Confusious   Nov-03-09 01:32 PM   #118 
        - But what if a baby inherits a defect in which he or she cannot  Chemisse   Nov-04-09 05:41 PM   #130 
           - What the child has no liver?  Confusious   Nov-15-09 03:17 PM   #142 
              - Metallothionein.... look it up.  HysteryDiagnosis   Nov-19-09 07:08 PM   #146 
                 - Yes, and there is no disease  Confusious   Nov-20-09 05:00 AM   #147 
                    - Confuzious doesn't know what that disease would be.... it would  HysteryDiagnosis   Nov-20-09 05:19 PM   #148 
                       - However the wiki for metallothionein says...  trotsky   Nov-20-09 05:53 PM   #149 
                       - We weren't talking about a disease with a damaged nervous system  Confusious   Nov-20-09 05:57 PM   #150 
                          - Open your eyes or keep them closed.... makes little difference.  HysteryDiagnosis   Nov-20-09 06:36 PM   #151 
                             - So a person with autism has low zinc/ copper ratio  Confusious   Nov-20-09 07:54 PM   #152 
                                - All I am saying is that some persons accumulate toxins and heavy metals while others  HysteryDiagnosis   Nov-21-09 07:02 AM   #153 
     - The nervous system is very sensitive to ALL forms of mercury.  Chemisse   Nov-04-09 05:39 PM   #129 
     - Thermisol has no free mercury in it.  Confusious   Nov-02-09 07:08 PM   #95 
     - Carbon dioxide has carbon monoxide in it.  sudopod   Nov-02-09 07:54 PM   #97 
     - No, that's not good enough...  SidDithers   Nov-05-09 08:55 AM   #133 
  - Why is he talking about mercury toxicity?  Confusious   Nov-02-09 07:06 PM   #94 
  - All those fillings leak mercury fumes, in spite of what the ADA says..  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-02-09 08:10 PM   #98 
  - Your scientific ignorance is showing.  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 09:35 PM   #108 
  - Lets talk about the dangers of salt  Confusious   Nov-02-09 10:14 PM   #112 
     - That would only be a problem if NaCl (salt) was likely to dissociate  Chemisse   Nov-04-09 05:48 PM   #132 
        - and a link to this is where?  Confusious   Nov-15-09 03:13 PM   #140 
  - It does not need to be pure mercury to hurt you  Chemisse   Nov-04-09 05:45 PM   #131 
     - Yes, but suprisingly  Confusious   Nov-15-09 03:15 PM   #141 
  - Bookmarked to read later  chatnoir   Nov-03-09 09:22 AM   #116 
  - And yet a census of autistic adults shows no epidemic  Book Lover   Nov-02-09 04:53 PM   #86 
  - Yep!  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 09:36 PM   #110 
  - Actually, there's NO scientific evidence of a real rise in autism cases.  TheWraith   Nov-02-09 07:03 PM   #93 
  - "For Kirby, the parallel rise in environmental pollution and autism rates are related"  Hekate   Nov-02-09 10:34 PM   #113 
  - you know what?  Bombero1956   Nov-03-09 09:11 AM   #115 
  - There have been many studies on the relationship between toxins and auto immune diseases.  Jennicut   Nov-03-09 12:48 PM   #117 
  - Autism DIAGNOSES spikes. eom  uppityperson   Nov-04-09 05:16 PM   #124 
  - autism  tova   Nov-09-09 02:20 PM   #138 
 

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