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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:23 AM
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14. But again, this comes down to isolating the active chemical.
Threads like this are all the same. Some natural substance is shown to have some effect on something under some conditions. The immediate reaction is generally, "Oh, I love that stuff, I cook with (or drink or season or whatever) it all the time, guess I should use more! Oh and those stupid big pharma shills sure are stupid, there are cures for everything in nature!"

But these studies almost never indicate that eating/drinking X will cure Y. They indicate that chemical Z found in X can have an effect on the symptoms/cause of Y. Generally left unproven is whether chemical Z can be delivered to our systems effectively, and how.

Lots and lots of drugs came from natural sources. The pharmaceutical process comes in by identifying and isolating the chemicals actually responsible, figuring out how to mass produce them, and then deliver them most effectively to our bodies. Sometimes it can be done orally. Sometimes it has to be intravenously. Sometimes there's no safe way to put it into our bodies.

There is a real lack of scientific and logical thinking, both in the United States in general and at DU in particular. It leads to unwarranted and unsupported conclusions, and false hope. These threads really make it obvious.
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  - Here is a post with a recipe that includes turmeric.  tabatha   Oct-29-09 04:54 PM   #10 
  - Let them object...  Dover   Oct-30-09 05:12 AM   #12 
     - Are you a "KNOWLEDGEABLE doctor"? What makes you qualified to dispense medical advice?  beam me up scottie   Oct-30-09 11:16 AM   #16 
     - If you are on a blood thinner, then you should not only avoid  tabatha   Oct-30-09 11:55 AM   #19 
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     - Well said.  tabatha   Oct-30-09 11:55 AM   #20 
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  - Killing cancer cells in a petri dish is one thing  Euromutt   Oct-30-09 05:05 AM   #11 
  - actually there are TONS of en vivo studies  Celebration   Oct-30-09 08:10 AM   #13 
     - But again, this comes down to isolating the active chemical.  trotsky   Oct-30-09 10:23 AM   #14 
        - Our resident wannabe "healers" prove that a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.  beam me up scottie   Oct-30-09 11:06 AM   #15 
        - If they only took risks with their own health, that's one thing.  trotsky   Oct-30-09 11:49 AM   #18 
           - Didn't it used to be against the rules to give medical advice on DU?  beam me up scottie   Oct-30-09 01:08 PM   #22 
              - Used to be. Now only if  uppityperson   Oct-30-09 01:41 PM   #23 
                 - It's not like it's difficult to tell the difference between posting a recipe & giving medical advice  beam me up scottie   Oct-30-09 01:52 PM   #24 
        - you asked for en vivo studies  Celebration   Oct-30-09 05:03 PM   #25 
           - I'm sorry that you completely missed the point  trotsky   Oct-30-09 07:30 PM   #29 
           - Can you prove that turmeric is the cause?  tabatha   Oct-30-09 07:57 PM   #30 
              - Yeah, that pretty much illustrates my point about ignorance of science.  trotsky   Oct-30-09 08:11 PM   #32 
           - I'm seeing a common thread to these studies you're citing  Euromutt   Nov-01-09 08:55 AM   #34 
  - Warning: turmeric can lead to a greater chance of increased bleeding/decreased blood clotting  beam me up scottie   Oct-30-09 11:20 AM   #17 
  - Warning: all of these foods can cause increased bleeding:  tabatha   Oct-30-09 11:56 AM   #21 
     - uh oh  Celebration   Oct-30-09 05:05 PM   #26 
     - Maybe you can tell me how turmeric will help my female reproductive organs.  beam me up scottie   Oct-30-09 07:25 PM   #28 
  - From your article.... from mine.  HysteryDiagnosis   Oct-31-09 11:17 AM   #33 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-03-09 12:39 PM   #35 

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