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Sun Jun-21-09 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #100 |
| 105. Saying that the ends justified the means doesn't change anything I wrote |
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And the bit about what nurses want vs. what regulations require is interesting but not really central. Change the phrase from "the nurses didn't think she need another pill" to "regulations prohibited the nurses from giving her another pill," and everything else remains the same.
If we say that the ends justified the means, then that's fine, but it's still a rationalization, and it's still a pious fraud.
Again, I'd have done the same thing in that situation.
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| -Homeopathic medications are regulated by the FDA |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 06:35 AM |
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This is good to hear! |
LaurenG |
Jun-20-09 06:52 AM |
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I tried to reach this group, |
elleng |
Jun-20-09 06:55 AM |
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You know.. |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 07:01 AM |
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I do not think zinc is included in the proper dosage; |
elleng |
Jun-20-09 08:50 AM |
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I didn't even realize |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 09:21 AM |
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This is a joke, right?... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 06:52 AM |
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Sid, the UK has been using them for years. |
LaurenG |
Jun-20-09 07:07 AM |
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Allergy "shots" and immunotherapy... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 07:24 AM |
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see below |
LaurenG |
Jun-20-09 07:46 AM |
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If you need further review before saying that a pull with no active ingredients is not effective... |
chascarrillo |
Jun-20-09 07:39 AM |
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They contain few OR no active ingredients |
LaurenG |
Jun-20-09 07:45 AM |
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Detection |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 08:00 AM |
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Oh my... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 08:12 AM |
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And how exactly |
skepticscott |
Jun-20-09 09:14 PM |
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Because they cured people |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-21-09 05:56 AM |
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So you mean |
skepticscott |
Jun-21-09 06:55 AM |
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Lame attempt |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-21-09 04:26 PM |
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Well, if all you can do is cut and paste |
skepticscott |
Jun-21-09 09:32 PM |
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Here's an example. |
chascarrillo |
Jun-20-09 08:36 AM |
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Exactly... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 08:41 AM |
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Loren, another factor relevant (I failed to mention) |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 09:13 AM |
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Lauren, I was mistaken |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 11:14 AM |
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I got ya - no problem and thanks for the interesting information |
LaurenG |
Jun-20-09 12:00 PM |
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I'm sure they do. |
DeltaLitProf |
Jun-20-09 07:19 AM |
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hmm |
BuddhaGirl |
Jun-20-09 10:19 AM |
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No, they're most definately safe... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 10:24 AM |
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yes because whole hospitals are operated |
BuddhaGirl |
Jun-20-09 11:40 AM |
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Uh, what? |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 11:44 AM |
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Of course they don't use the same treatment for |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 11:50 AM |
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Of course I do, but snark begets snark. |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 11:53 AM |
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Hospitals |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 10:29 AM |
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Everyone should welcome the true homeopathic preparations |
Celebration |
Jun-20-09 07:30 AM |
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For some |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 07:39 AM |
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For some unknown reason, woos are fine with dishonesty..nt |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 07:42 AM |
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You obviously have not ever used a homeopathic remedy and |
mother earth |
Jun-20-09 07:58 AM |
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Are you sure you're not confusing homeopathic... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 08:07 AM |
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No, I'm not confusing naturopathic with homeopathy, I cannot |
mother earth |
Jun-20-09 11:12 AM |
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Is the statement, "for some unknown reason, skeptics are fine with dishonesty" |
LaurenG |
Jun-20-09 08:03 AM |
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If a person has no problem with "homeopathic meds" being sold... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 08:09 AM |
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Is the goal to make people feel better, or not? |
Celebration |
Jun-20-09 08:14 AM |
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How, exactly, do you give yourself placebos? |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 08:35 AM |
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My mother and I |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 09:41 AM |
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And if the hospital had given her the TicTac |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 10:08 AM |
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Then you lied to your grandmother. Apparently, as Sid noted, you are fine with dishonesty. |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 10:30 AM |
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Pios fraud.. |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 10:34 AM |
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"atheists/evolutionists"? WTF?... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 10:38 AM |
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Calling it mercy is rationalizing a lie. |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 10:48 AM |
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You're nicer, and much more patient, than I... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 10:51 AM |
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She barely even |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 10:54 AM |
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You're trying to have it both ways. |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 11:02 AM |
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You're not above |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 11:12 AM |
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You're right--that was a cheap shot, and I apologize. |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 11:26 AM |
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I appreciate and respect |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 11:59 AM |
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Hypotheticals are also subject to exaggeration, unfortunatley |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 12:06 PM |
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Right. Therein lies the weakness. nt |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 12:13 PM |
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"Comfort was the goal.That's very different, unless...would have been fatal" |
uppityperson |
Jun-21-09 05:20 PM |
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As I've stated several times, I would almost certainly have told the same lie. |
Orrex |
Jun-21-09 09:47 PM |
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I agree with that. |
uppityperson |
Jun-21-09 11:40 PM |
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I thought about this |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-22-09 12:13 AM |
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all skeptics are not fundamentalists. thank you for your concern for we skeptics mental health thoug |
uppityperson |
Jun-22-09 12:27 AM |
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No. It was broad brush. |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-22-09 12:42 AM |
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"thread outing a sensitive group"? |
uppityperson |
Jun-22-09 12:46 AM |
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No. Your words, not mine. |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-22-09 12:51 AM |
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"thread outing a sensitive group" is direct copy/paste from your post |
uppityperson |
Jun-22-09 12:58 AM |
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THESE words... |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-22-09 01:06 AM |
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You still haven't pointed out the "thread outing a sensitive group" you claim I posted |
uppityperson |
Jun-22-09 11:18 AM |
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And I don't intend to .... |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-22-09 12:39 PM |
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All those edits get confusing .. your edit at 12:48 .. |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-22-09 12:56 AM |
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"all those edits" are one edit. |
uppityperson |
Jun-22-09 01:00 AM |
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FTR, |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-22-09 05:51 AM |
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I found a picture of the kind of skeptic that WS is referring to. |
trotsky |
Jun-22-09 12:00 PM |
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Thank you trosky for your edifying post. |
uppityperson |
Jun-22-09 01:48 PM |
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You're not reading most of what I've been writing. |
Orrex |
Jun-22-09 08:07 AM |
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"obliquely". thank you, that is thetword I haven't been able to remember |
uppityperson |
Jun-22-09 11:19 AM |
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Clarified. |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-22-09 12:44 PM |
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In this case I agree the ends justified the means. And no, it doesn't mean the nurses didn't think |
uppityperson |
Jun-21-09 05:13 PM |
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Saying that the ends justified the means doesn't change anything I wrote |
Orrex |
Jun-21-09 09:51 PM |
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This is the part I disagree with and why it is central. |
uppityperson |
Jun-21-09 11:47 PM |
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Hmm. |
Orrex |
Jun-22-09 12:03 AM |
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Yeah. I don't think that matters at all. |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-22-09 12:46 AM |
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That wasn't my question and you didn't answer it. |
LaurenG |
Jun-20-09 08:19 AM |
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Again, making money off of water... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 08:31 AM |
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Ok but you're still just avoiding the question. nt |
LaurenG |
Jun-20-09 09:05 AM |
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Would you like me to be more specific?... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 09:09 AM |
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I'm not outraged and I'm asking you because you seem like an intelligent person |
LaurenG |
Jun-20-09 09:52 AM |
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You're right, and perhaps I was nasty.. |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 09:59 AM |
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That's a broad brush. It's more accurate to say that skeptics hate misuse of the placebo effect. |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 08:30 AM |
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Nonsensical. |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 09:48 AM |
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Not at all true, and that accusation is frankly beneath you. |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 10:26 AM |
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You're being relativistic |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 10:42 AM |
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I don't understand what you're getting at. |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 10:53 AM |
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And for some irrational reason most woos have no frackin' idea what the placebo effect really is |
salvorhardin |
Jun-20-09 10:34 AM |
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Oh goodie! |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 10:45 AM |
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I'm a skeptic and the placebo effect is fine with me. Of course I'd like |
uppityperson |
Jun-20-09 05:39 PM |
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Monumental hogwash |
skepticscott |
Jun-20-09 09:27 PM |
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I'm not familiar with |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-21-09 05:58 AM |
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Then perhaps you should make yourself familiar |
skepticscott |
Jun-21-09 07:09 AM |
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My voice was shut down quite recently, in fact. |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-21-09 04:31 PM |
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And exactly how were you |
skepticscott |
Jun-21-09 09:40 PM |
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Wrong. |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-21-09 11:26 PM |
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ws was "shut down" by increasing his/her ignore list. see? |
uppityperson |
Jun-22-09 03:44 PM |
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.Are you all still |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-22-09 03:56 PM |
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If a post of yours was deleted |
skepticscott |
Jun-22-09 04:50 PM |
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you just made her/him increase Ignore list again and are shutting him/her down |
uppityperson |
Jun-23-09 02:56 AM |
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You're inviting me to leave? Again? |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-23-09 07:17 AM |
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Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of "you can always ignore me if you want" |
uppityperson |
Jun-23-09 01:01 PM |
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Thanks for your permission. |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-23-09 01:07 PM |
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Obviously you do not understand what that means. Or what you have to do to be licensed in WA |
uppityperson |
Jun-23-09 01:12 PM |
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aren't they mostly water? |
eShirl |
Jun-20-09 08:15 AM |
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yeah, mostly water |
Celebration |
Jun-20-09 08:18 AM |
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ok, but if one disbelieves in its effectiveness, is there any chance of the placebo effect working? |
eShirl |
Jun-20-09 08:35 AM |
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No. |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 09:53 AM |
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It must be disclaimed that there is no empirical support for an "energetic 'signature'" |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 08:39 AM |
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As previously stated |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 09:56 AM |
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Two questions that I know you won't answer... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 10:02 AM |
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Sid has already responded correctly. I likewise await your response. |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 10:27 AM |
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I cannot reply to |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 10:44 AM |
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Then allow me to post his questions, which are mine as well: |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 10:50 AM |
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oops. my boo boo .. NMR *not* MRI |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 11:05 AM |
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Thank you for the citation and link. I'll look into it. |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 11:06 AM |
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You do know that NMR and MRI are the same thing, right?... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 11:09 AM |
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I know that NRM was National Record Mart. Does that count for anything? |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 11:30 AM |
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MRI used to be called NMRI... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 11:48 AM |
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My nuclear family went critical when I dropped out of college |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 11:49 AM |
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Hehe, fingers flyin'... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 11:52 AM |
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I didn't know the MRI is also called a NMR |
uppityperson |
Jun-20-09 05:45 PM |
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A more recent study... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 11:21 AM |
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Let's see if those results can bew duplicated... |
chascarrillo |
Jun-20-09 11:22 AM |
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Correcting all previous instances when I should have said "NMR" (not MRI) nt |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 11:19 AM |
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NMR is spectroscopy done on things... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 11:22 AM |
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Sid made an important point which I repeat here for visibility's sake |
Orrex |
Jun-20-09 11:28 AM |
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I'm not well versed |
Why Syzygy |
Jun-20-09 12:12 PM |
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If you're not well versed in that part of the "debate"... |
SidDithers |
Jun-20-09 12:20 PM |
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You were once a fundie? |
trotsky |
Jun-20-09 06:31 PM |
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So...water and inactive ingredients are safe! Who knew? NT |
dmallind |
Jun-20-09 10:46 AM |
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