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| 75. "What If Vitamin D Deficiency Is a Cause of Autism?" -- Scientific American, April 24, 2009 |
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Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 09:12 AM by tiptoe
What If Vitamin D Deficiency Is a Cause of Autism? — Scientific American, April 24, 2009A few researchers are turning their attention to the sunshine vitamin as a culprit, prompted by the experience of immigrants that have moved from their equatorial country to two northern latitude locations As evidence of widespread vitamin D deficiency grows, some scientists are wondering whether the sunshine vitamin—once only considered important in bone health—may actually play a role in one of neurology's most vexing conditions: autism. The idea, although not yet tested or widely held, comes out of preliminary studies in Sweden and Minnesota. Last summer, Swedish researchers published a study in Developmental Medicine and Child Neurology that found the prevalence of autism and related disorders was three to four times higher among Somali immigrants than non-Somalis in Stockholm. The study reviewed the records of 2,437 children, born between 1988 and 1998 in Stockholm, in response to parents and teachers who had raised concerns about whether children with a Somali background were overrepresented in the total group of children with autism. In Sweden, the 15,000-strong Somali community calls autism "the Swedish disease," says Elisabeth Fernell, a researcher at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm and a co-author of the study. In Minnesota, where there are an estimated 60,000 Somali immigrants, the situation was quite similar: There, health officials noted reports of autism among Somali refugees, who began arriving in 1993, comparable to those found in Sweden. Within several years of arrival, dozens of the Somali families whose children were born in the U.S. found themselves grappling with autism, says Huda Farah, a Somali-born molecular biologist who works on refugee resettlement issues with Minnesota health officials. The number of Somali children in the city's autism programs jumped from zero in 1999 to 43 in 2007, says Ann Fox, director of special education programs for Minneapolis schools. The number of Somali-speaking children in the Minneapolis school district increased from 1,773 to 2,029 during the same period. Few, if any, Somalis had ever seen anything like it. "It has shocked the community," Farah says. "We never saw such a disease in Somalia. We do not even have a word for it." ... moreComment:I'm glad Scientific American discussed my theory in some detail. For anyone interested in further details, go to: http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health/autism / or obtain my original paper: Cannell JJ. Autism and vitamin D. Med Hypotheses. 2008;70(4):750-9. Epub 2007 Oct 24. John Cannell, MD Vitamindcouncil.org
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| -Myths, FAQ, "...Vitamin D: A Real Missing Link..." Prescription=D2 vs D3, Testing, Optimal Ranges |
tiptoe |
Jan-06-09 07:31 AM |
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Excellent information |
Richard D |
Jan-06-09 09:25 AM |
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Sounds like Doctors/Shills peddling pills for Big Pharma |
cosmik debris |
Jan-06-09 09:43 AM |
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If someone posted a drug ad from Merck in here they'd be drawn & quartered. |
trotsky |
Jan-06-09 10:52 AM |
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Well, |
cosmik debris |
Jan-06-09 11:55 AM |
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And it's played out just like every other scam. |
trotsky |
Jan-06-09 12:30 PM |
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And then there's this |
itsjustme |
Jan-06-09 02:20 PM |
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Ooh, so close! |
trotsky |
Jan-06-09 02:53 PM |
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well take whatever kind you want |
itsjustme |
Jan-06-09 03:17 PM |
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Thank you for dropping your erroneously-cited study. |
trotsky |
Jan-06-09 03:30 PM |
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what are you talking about? |
itsjustme |
Jan-06-09 03:36 PM |
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LMAO |
trotsky |
Jan-06-09 04:25 PM |
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uh, that is an approximation, only |
itsjustme |
Jan-06-09 04:39 PM |
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So you're arguing against the OP, then? |
trotsky |
Jan-06-09 05:55 PM |
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mr blur |
Apr-26-09 09:24 AM |
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Wow! We're selling "test kits" on DU now? When even labs don't have a standard? |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-27-09 02:05 PM |
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Sunshine |
Mamacrat |
Apr-07-09 10:25 AM |
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thank you! great links nt |
tiptoe |
Jan-06-09 08:58 PM |
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"The important finding is that 1000 units/day couldn't get the Vitamin D level above 30ng/ml." |
tiptoe |
Jan-06-09 04:03 PM |
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another...study...opposite conclusion: "Vitamin D2 Is Much Less Effective than Vitamin D3 in Humans" |
tiptoe |
Jan-06-09 04:18 PM |
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Cripes, if you folks actually read what you posted this forum wouldn't be half as fun. |
trotsky |
Jan-06-09 04:28 PM |
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"The important finding is that 1000 units/day couldn't get the Vitamin D level above 30ng/ml." nt |
tiptoe |
Jan-06-09 05:26 PM |
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Four years newer, specifically addressed. n/t |
trotsky |
Jan-06-09 05:57 PM |
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"it does not provide a basis for assuming that vitamin D2 has equivalency with vitamin D3 wrt cancer |
tiptoe |
Jan-06-09 07:28 PM |
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You can re-quote your own posts as much as you'd like. |
trotsky |
Jan-06-09 07:41 PM |
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One tip off that this whole thing was bogus |
cosmik debris |
Jan-06-09 08:42 PM |
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and |
MichaelHarris |
Sep-17-09 06:14 PM |
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"You came in here basically copying & pasting an ad from a supplement store." An example of pricing |
tiptoe |
Jan-06-09 08:52 PM |
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I will continue my "ROFL-ing"... |
trotsky |
Jan-07-09 07:01 AM |
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a peer reviewed opinion breast cancer risk and VitD- sadly no. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-27-09 02:17 PM |
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VitD and endometiral cancer? Sadly, not proven to help. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-27-09 02:23 PM |
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VitD and general health improvment for women? Nope. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-27-09 02:28 PM |
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Above = 400IU VitD3 & serum not "biologically meaningful", but @ 1100 IU, serum 25(OH)D>80nm/L =Yep! |
tiptoe |
Apr-28-09 05:01 PM |
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Thank you for your efforts and posts. nt |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-28-09 11:06 PM |
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C. Garland: "The definitive study..." => "Vitamin D & calcium supplementation reduces cancer risk" |
tiptoe |
Apr-27-09 05:44 PM |
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only 400 IU of vitamin D(3) ...See #92. nt |
tiptoe |
Apr-27-09 07:27 PM |
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Studies show Vit D is in premenopausal women, This study about postmenopausal woman. |
snagglepuss |
Oct-25-09 05:51 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Sep-17-09 06:13 PM |
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OP: "reference range...begins at 32 (ng/ml)..." nt |
tiptoe |
Jan-06-09 06:08 PM |
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OP: “…1000 IU/d of…D3…when patients are below the reference range [is] inadequate” nt |
tiptoe |
Jan-06-09 06:09 PM |
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Do you really think..... n/t |
trotsky |
Jan-06-09 06:10 PM |
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...that putting a different phrase for a Subject... n/t |
trotsky |
Jan-06-09 06:10 PM |
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...in a series of replies... n/t |
trotsky |
Jan-06-09 06:11 PM |
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...makes some kind of special point? n/t |
trotsky |
Jan-06-09 06:11 PM |
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When it's useful information, yes, unlike your "stuff". nt |
tiptoe |
Jan-06-09 06:14 PM |
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I suppose. |
trotsky |
Jan-06-09 06:26 PM |
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you're |
MichaelHarris |
Sep-17-09 06:18 PM |
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! rofl n/t |
uppityperson |
Jan-07-09 01:32 AM |
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Thank you and cd for noticing. |
uppityperson |
Jan-06-09 02:41 PM |
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It was easy to tell that this was bogus |
cosmik debris |
Jan-06-09 03:55 PM |
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threads like this |
MichaelHarris |
Sep-17-09 06:08 PM |
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That would be HRC, but Obama smartly neutralized her utility to Big Pharma vs People's Healthcare nt |
tiptoe |
Jan-06-09 09:23 PM |
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Too late, you're cover is blown |
cosmik debris |
Jan-06-09 09:28 PM |
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Those of us with MS are familiar with, |
mr blur |
Mar-24-09 03:16 AM |
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There is eivdence of VitD deficiency in people with MS |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-27-09 02:41 PM |
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Huh? Vitamin D Is Cheap And Available Without Prescription |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-11-09 08:18 PM |
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interesting info! |
BuddhaGirl |
Jan-06-09 04:15 PM |
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Yikes! Why so much? |
quantessd |
Jan-06-09 04:55 PM |
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4000 IU isn't toxic |
BuddhaGirl |
Jan-06-09 06:21 PM |
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I know what you mean about not getting enough sunlight. |
quantessd |
Jan-06-09 09:09 PM |
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Maybe you already have the answers, but re your combo pills for vitamin D (from the FAQ): |
tiptoe |
Jan-06-09 10:32 PM |
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Thanks. Now I have a better idea which Calcium supplements |
quantessd |
Jan-06-09 11:54 PM |
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Check out the last 3 minutes of this video-lecture: Mentioned is it's not just about "Calcium In" |
tiptoe |
Jan-07-09 12:38 AM |
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my doctor suggested i take 5000iu of D3 |
noiretextatique |
Jun-12-09 03:32 PM |
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you're |
MichaelHarris |
Sep-17-09 06:21 PM |
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More than 50% of this thread (on my screen) says "ignored". n/t |
4MoronicYears |
Jan-10-09 12:59 PM |
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Well, THAT is certainly telling. |
uppityperson |
Jan-10-09 01:23 PM |
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Absolutely |
4MoronicYears |
Jan-10-09 01:38 PM |
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I try to discuss, dispute, but not insult. |
uppityperson |
Jan-10-09 01:46 PM |
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No, my ignored was prone to ad hominem attacks.... they stressed |
4MoronicYears |
Jan-10-09 02:29 PM |
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I suspect my ignored on this page coincide with yours |
Chemisse |
Nov-02-09 04:55 AM |
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What a sad little statement. |
trotsky |
Jan-10-09 01:49 PM |
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Strangely enough, my screen says the same thing |
Orrex |
Mar-21-09 06:45 PM |
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People who overuse the ignore option likely have more serenity...but a decreasing IQ? |
wuvuj |
Apr-28-09 07:56 PM |
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Decreased IQ's are associated with low D3 levels.... I'm pretty |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Oct-24-09 01:50 PM |
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I will only ignore someone if they |
Chemisse |
Nov-02-09 04:59 AM |
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"Low Levels Of Vitamin D Link To Cognitive Problems In Older People" |
tiptoe |
Jan-30-09 01:42 AM |
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"Vitamin D helps control MS gene" -- D-deficiency, genetics & risk of MS...first evidence 2/5/2009 |
tiptoe |
Feb-08-09 11:45 AM |
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"The Truth About Vitamin D" - Text, 2/17/09 chat w Dr. Anthony Komaroff, M.D, Harvard Medical School |
tiptoe |
Feb-18-09 11:33 AM |
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Vitamin D Toxicity: Caveat Emptor |
dropkickpa |
Feb-18-09 12:57 PM |
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"Vitamin D2 Toxicity: Caveat Emptor"(!) Confusion of Vitamin D2 and D3 in article? |
tiptoe |
Feb-18-09 05:42 PM |
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600,000 IU a day? |
aquart |
Apr-26-09 06:46 PM |
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Study of 87 Arab-American women: Dangerously-low 8.5-to-4ng/mL serum Vitamin D. (Ref = 32-100) |
tiptoe |
Feb-19-09 02:01 PM |
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Religion attacks women in so many stealthy ways. |
aquart |
Apr-26-09 06:47 PM |
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American Academy of Pediatrics has doubled its daily dose recommendation of vitamin D in children |
tiptoe |
Feb-20-09 05:57 PM |
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I take 5000 IU of D3.... |
wuvuj |
Feb-26-09 07:39 PM |
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Great source. |
tabatha |
Feb-26-09 11:14 PM |
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Low vitamin D bad for teen heart heath |
tiptoe |
Mar-16-09 06:15 AM |
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"Valuing vitamin D" (Interview with Dr. Michael Holick) |
tiptoe |
Mar-21-09 04:44 PM |
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Latest study? |
wuvuj |
Mar-23-09 12:39 PM |
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Mar-22-09 04:30 PM |
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Cancer, Vitamin D, and Sunshine |
tiptoe |
Mar-31-09 02:53 PM |
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Updated Position Statement on Vitamin D Issued by the American Academy of Dermatology - Sept 9 2009 |
tiptoe |
Sep-09-09 07:15 PM |
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Thanks for posting this info |
JustCommonSense |
Mar-31-09 08:49 PM |
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"...outrageous": Researchers who touted high vitamin D doses shut out of panel |
tiptoe |
Apr-06-09 09:48 PM |
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Links to above article, comments and Vieth slide presentation: |
tiptoe |
Apr-24-09 07:58 PM |
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Vitamin D Deficiency Linked to Increased C-Section Rate |
tiptoe |
Apr-12-09 06:15 AM |
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"That is really just a theory at this point. We definitely haven't identified a causal pathway." |
uppityperson |
Apr-12-09 03:26 PM |
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Webcast, April 22, 9AM PDT: Media advisory/Interview opportunity- Vitamin D: the new wonder vitamin? |
tiptoe |
Apr-22-09 02:03 AM |
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Thank you for all this information |
cbc5g |
Apr-26-09 09:17 AM |
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"75% of deaths from these cancers could be prevented with adequate intake of vitamin D3 and calcium" |
tiptoe |
Apr-24-09 08:23 PM |
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So has anyone ever confirmed their model is accurate for anything? |
stray cat |
Apr-26-09 06:42 PM |
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Vitamin D also affects pain. |
aquart |
Apr-26-09 06:44 PM |
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I guess it's oencouraging that they used a complex computer rather than a simple one. nt |
caseymoz |
Apr-27-09 01:45 AM |
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"What If Vitamin D Deficiency Is a Cause of Autism?" -- Scientific American, April 24, 2009 |
tiptoe |
Apr-26-09 08:35 AM |
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If this study was looking at all of MN then they are probably incorrect. |
jwirr |
Apr-26-09 09:53 AM |
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I see we have a new miracle dietary fad in progress. |
caseymoz |
Apr-27-09 01:42 AM |
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Vitamin C is certainly THAT good. |
Cetacea |
May-25-09 02:08 PM |
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Oh, right! Life from the sun is....just a fad |
kimmerspixelated |
Jul-08-09 04:25 PM |
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Vitamin D hope in prostate cancer -- April 26, 2009, BBC News |
tiptoe |
Apr-27-09 11:37 AM |
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There is always hope and a need for more workand research. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-27-09 02:50 PM |
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"The point is this: men with prostate cancer should not allow themselves to be Vit D deficient and |
tiptoe |
May-12-09 05:01 PM |
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Swine Flu Infection Symptoms and Vitamin D -- Can it help? |
tiptoe |
Apr-29-09 03:06 AM |
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Epidemic Influenza And Vitamin D -- J J Cannell |
tiptoe |
May-02-09 11:33 PM |
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"Am I Vitamin D Deficient?" ("What we recommend") -- John Cannell, MD, Vitamin D Council |
tiptoe |
May-06-09 05:14 PM |
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Vitamin D expert receives Linus Pauling Prize for Health Research (Dr. Michael Holick) |
tiptoe |
May-25-09 11:58 AM |
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Link for full text of above press release |
tiptoe |
May-26-09 04:28 AM |
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H1N1 Flu and Vitamin D (What to do re the possibility of an H1N1 flu pandemic) -- Dr. John Cannell |
tiptoe |
May-25-09 12:57 PM |
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WHO on verge of declaring H1N1 flu pandemic - x |
tiptoe |
Jun-10-09 11:07 AM |
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WHO raises flu pandemic to highest level - x ("first global epidemic since 1968") |
tiptoe |
Jun-11-09 12:02 PM |
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"Successful Weight Loss With Dieting Is Linked To Vitamin D Levels" |
tiptoe |
Jun-11-09 07:52 PM |
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Jun-11-09 08:20 PM |
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Thanks tiptoe! You are relentless :) nt |
glitch |
Jun-11-09 08:24 PM |
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S Hemisphere Mutation detected: "South America bears winter brunt of H1N1 pandemic" |
tiptoe |
Jun-17-09 12:05 PM |
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CDC rejects report of mutant H1N1 strain in Brazil |
tiptoe |
Jun-17-09 10:55 PM |
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"Breathe Right: The Surprising Link between Asthma and Vitamin D" |
tiptoe |
Jul-08-09 01:12 PM |
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System and Tissue Distribution of Vitamin D Receptors (VDR) |
tiptoe |
Jun-22-09 12:18 PM |
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"Vitamin D Testing: What the Government Giveth, It Taketh Away" |
tiptoe |
Jul-08-09 01:56 PM |
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"Noteworthy News — Proposed Restrictions on Vitamin D Testing" |
tiptoe |
Jul-08-09 03:00 PM |
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Estimated benefit of increased Vit D status in reducing the economic burden of disease in W Europe |
tiptoe |
Jul-08-09 04:04 PM |
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PDF (full article) here: |
tiptoe |
Jul-08-09 05:17 PM |
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How Vitamin D Reduces the Incidence of Cancer: The DINOMIT Model (vid) |
tiptoe |
Jul-22-09 12:36 AM |
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Low maternal vitamin D increases risk of HIV transmission to child and infant mortality |
tiptoe |
Aug-17-09 05:04 PM |
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Letter from Dr J Cannell: "Vitamin D is incredibly protective against H1N1" -- New Evidence, 9/17/09 |
tiptoe |
Sep-17-09 04:47 PM |
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Bullshit once again |
MichaelHarris |
Sep-17-09 06:03 PM |
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Umm, that post is still open, and the quote you re-burped above only |
Sinistrous |
Sep-18-09 11:13 PM |
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No |
Why Syzygy |
Sep-19-09 09:06 AM |
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How silly of me. Since Mr. Harris was replying to tiptoe, I foolishly |
Sinistrous |
Sep-19-09 10:38 AM |
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Um. |
Why Syzygy |
Sep-19-09 11:19 AM |
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Reading to the end of the excerpt reveals the following: |
laughingliberal |
Oct-25-09 03:07 PM |
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Not revealed (or source cited): A *safety factor of 3* underlies the proposed new TUIL of 10000 IU/d |
tiptoe |
Nov-10-09 05:36 PM |
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Disease Incidence Prevention by Serum 25(OH)D Level --Cancers, Diabetes, MS, Fractures, HeartAttacks |
tiptoe |
Oct-23-09 05:02 PM |
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My my my look at all the ignored... I'll start another thread and |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Sep-17-09 06:56 PM |
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We've got a new |
Why Syzygy |
Sep-17-09 07:26 PM |
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Dog whistles could be misconstrued for a sales "pitch". HEH!! n/t |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Sep-18-09 06:50 PM |
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University of Maryland Medical Center |
laughingliberal |
Oct-24-09 02:29 PM |
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Thanks for this!! n/t |
Celebration |
Nov-02-09 09:16 PM |
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Safety & two MD's general recommendations: "How Much Vitamin D Should I Take?" |
tiptoe |
Oct-31-09 09:51 AM |
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We're locking this. |
pinto |
Nov-22-09 04:10 PM |
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