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chicagomd Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:25 AM
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35. Wow.
The thin air up there on your high horse seems to have really started to effect you.

Anything "bad" that happens after a vaccine is a potential side effect to that vaccine, potential being the key word. VAERS information has its place, but is so misused and misunderstood by the media, as well as a number of regular posters on this forum, that its value is completely overblown.

To suggest that any information found in VAERS in its raw state can show causation or is actionable for public health policy is absurd.

And to suggest that people who insist that information presented on this forum be at least somewhat correct are part of some conspiracy, as you are so want to do MZ, is just straight up insulting.
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  -Despite Deaths, 9,749 Other Adverse Reactions, Feds Say Gardasil is Safe babylonsister  Aug-11-08 06:25 AM   #0 
  - Pushing drugs the legal way  liberal N proud   Aug-11-08 06:27 AM   #1 
  - Hasn't this vaccine been administered a million times or more?  Catch22Dem   Aug-11-08 06:49 AM   #2 
  - You've been here long enough to know, Catch22Dem...  trotsky   Aug-11-08 08:45 AM   #22 
  - You're right, I have  Catch22Dem   Aug-11-08 06:26 PM   #62 
  - The CDC has estimated that only 1 to 10% of all vaccine reactions are reported to VAERS.  mzmolly   Aug-11-08 12:01 PM   #39 
  - over 80 million people were prescribed Vioxx  WillYourVoteBCounted   Aug-12-08 11:06 PM   #107 
  - and I'm still pissed off it was taken off the market.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-13-08 06:18 PM   #111 
     - Dave...  tburnsten   Aug-13-08 06:23 PM   #113 
     - Damn skippy my back hurts like hell.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-13-08 06:30 PM   #116 
     - hey, its ok if many die right? As long as it isn't you?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Aug-13-08 06:25 PM   #114 
        - No and Yes  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-13-08 06:31 PM   #117 
  - 8,000,000 times I believe.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-13-08 06:16 PM   #110 
     - Stop posting facts.  beam me up scottie   Aug-13-08 06:29 PM   #115 
  - Do you know what the VAERS database is?  trotsky   Aug-11-08 07:09 AM   #3 
  - No, never heard of it.  babylonsister   Aug-11-08 07:18 AM   #4 
     - Post hoc ergo propter hoc.  trotsky   Aug-11-08 07:23 AM   #5 
     - Maybe, maybe not. Do you own Merck stock? Seems you're  babylonsister   Aug-11-08 07:34 AM   #6 
        - Excuse me?  trotsky   Aug-11-08 07:38 AM   #7 
        - Excuse me? Why are you twisting my words?  babylonsister   Aug-11-08 07:42 AM   #8 
           - Oh please. Your intention was perfectly clear.  trotsky   Aug-11-08 07:48 AM   #11 
              - I had no intention of insulting you, so  babylonsister   Aug-11-08 07:54 AM   #12 
              - I appreciate your apology.  trotsky   Aug-11-08 08:43 AM   #21 
              - I have some comprehensive info in my journal Babylonsister.  mzmolly   Aug-11-08 11:47 AM   #38 
              - Have you ever met a vaccine you didn't love?  K8-EEE   Aug-11-08 12:31 PM   #40 
                 - Have you ever met one you didn't hate?  trotsky   Aug-11-08 12:34 PM   #41 
                 - LOL, I'm taking my daughter for a meningitis vaccine this afternoon  K8-EEE   Aug-11-08 12:41 PM   #42 
                    - Again the argument addressing the person, not the facts.  trotsky   Aug-11-08 01:12 PM   #43 
                       - Sorry but EVERY med/vax thread you show up PRONTO with this  K8-EEE   Aug-11-08 01:36 PM   #49 
                       - Excellent, be my guest!  trotsky   Aug-11-08 01:41 PM   #50 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-11-08 08:30 PM   #71 
                          - Are you obsessed with me?  trotsky   Aug-11-08 08:40 PM   #76 
                             - You are awfully attractive, trotsky.  beam me up scottie   Aug-11-08 08:50 PM   #77 
                             - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-11-08 09:00 PM   #80 
                 - That asshole rabies vaccine  dropkickpa   Aug-11-08 01:16 PM   #45 
        - one big problem in their testing  itsjustme   Aug-11-08 07:57 AM   #13 
        - Wow, only 1,000? I do seem to recall that  babylonsister   Aug-11-08 08:08 AM   #14 
           - there were more in the full trial, but only about 1000 in that age group n/t  itsjustme   Aug-11-08 08:14 AM   #15 
        - some posters have a "hard on" for threads about Gardasil  WillYourVoteBCounted   Aug-11-08 08:23 PM   #67 
     - You never heard of it, but you are willing to believe it?  cosmik debris   Aug-11-08 08:23 AM   #17 
        - Pardon me?  babylonsister   Aug-11-08 08:31 AM   #19 
           - If you are unwilling to critically examine the articles you copy and paste  cosmik debris   Aug-11-08 08:53 AM   #24 
              - Except that I didn't cite the VAERS statistics, nor did I  babylonsister   Aug-11-08 08:57 AM   #25 
              - I see, you are not responsible for what you post.  cosmik debris   Aug-11-08 10:43 AM   #32 
              - To interject...  LeftishBrit   Aug-11-08 01:22 PM   #46 
              - what a time to use a National Enquirer analogy!  itsjustme   Aug-11-08 09:41 AM   #27 
              - FDA r/e VAERS: primary purpose... serve as an early warning or signaling system....  WillYourVoteBCounted   Aug-12-08 11:12 PM   #108 
              - scuse me?  Hannah Bell   Aug-14-08 01:42 PM   #120 
  - Be sure to make herbs, vitamins, and natural remedies illegal  ayeshahaqqiqa   Aug-11-08 07:44 AM   #9 
  - profit and greed - name of the game - all else takes a back seat or is eliminated. n/t  Triana   Aug-11-08 07:47 AM   #10 
  - Huh! Why does this not surprise me?  Th1onein   Aug-11-08 08:21 AM   #16 
  - The flu kills hundreds of thousands of people annually.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-17-08 12:22 PM   #121 
  - "these "vaccinations" are more dangerous than the diseases they're supposed to protect us from." ???  beam me up scottie   Aug-17-08 12:37 PM   #122 
  - All vaccines pose some risk  central scrutinizer   Aug-11-08 08:31 AM   #18 
  - Funny, my Mom and her cousins all survived whooping cough, measles  mzmolly   Aug-11-08 10:15 AM   #29 
     - People are much MORE LIKELY to die of the diseases than the vaccines...  LeftishBrit   Aug-11-08 01:31 PM   #47 
     - That depends upon how one views the situation.  mzmolly   Aug-11-08 04:15 PM   #56 
     - My great grandmother had 18 children. 11 survived childhood  Warpy   Aug-12-08 12:13 AM   #95 
        - Thanks for bringing the point home, Warpy.  beam me up scottie   Aug-12-08 09:28 AM   #101 
        - My Grandmother on my Mothers side was the youngest of thirteen, all of whom survived many  mzmolly   Aug-12-08 03:33 PM   #104 
  - i hate these threads.  mopinko   Aug-11-08 08:39 AM   #20 
  - but, unfortunately  itsjustme   Aug-11-08 08:47 AM   #23 
  - I understand what you are saying but  leftyladyfrommo   Aug-11-08 11:17 AM   #34 
     - Should drugs be tested for 30 years?  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Aug-11-08 01:32 PM   #48 
        - Do you know how long the trials for this drug went on?  leftyladyfrommo   Aug-12-08 09:30 AM   #102 
  - Thanks for posting this. It looks like this is exactly what VAERS is intended to do.  Jim__   Aug-11-08 09:22 AM   #26 
  - And also from the VAERS site:  trotsky   Aug-11-08 10:20 AM   #30 
  - I think it's a way to say "we're tracking problems," while later saying,  mzmolly   Aug-11-08 10:37 AM   #31 
     - Thanks. It does seem like if the CDC is giving us a reporting system ...  Jim__   Aug-11-08 10:57 AM   #33 
        - Indeed, it's a rather convenient catch 22  mzmolly   Aug-11-08 11:40 AM   #37 
  - Ah VAERS.The passive reporting system our gumment developed to track vaccine reactions only so they  mzmolly   Aug-11-08 10:06 AM   #28 
  - Wow.  chicagomd   Aug-11-08 11:25 AM   #35 
     - Oh, well I've never been insulted for my views here Chicago.  mzmolly   Aug-11-08 11:39 AM   #36 
     - alot of healthy girls are now very sick thanks to Gardasil  WillYourVoteBCounted   Aug-11-08 08:24 PM   #68 
  - Yeah!  dropkickpa   Aug-11-08 01:15 PM   #44 
  - That's proof enough for me!  cosmik debris   Aug-11-08 01:58 PM   #51 
     - Exactly!  dropkickpa   Aug-11-08 02:14 PM   #53 
        - I notice you conveniently neglected to mention the other celebrity in the VAERS database:  beam me up scottie   Aug-11-08 08:29 PM   #70 
           - No way, he was kicked off!!!  dropkickpa   Aug-11-08 08:34 PM   #72 
  - I took part in a discussion like this last week  notadmblnd   Aug-11-08 01:59 PM   #52 
  - But those two types are responsible for 70% of cervical cancers.  trotsky   Aug-11-08 03:29 PM   #54 
  - whether or not I can do math, I stand by my words.  notadmblnd   Aug-11-08 04:08 PM   #55 
     - The fear and hatred of science...  trotsky   Aug-11-08 06:01 PM   #58 
        - you know, you can put me down all you want, I'm entitled to my informed opinion  notadmblnd   Aug-11-08 06:04 PM   #59 
        - You just admitted you don't understand the math.  trotsky   Aug-11-08 06:05 PM   #60 
           - give it a fucking rest, will ya.  notadmblnd   Aug-11-08 07:07 PM   #63 
              - LOL  trotsky   Aug-11-08 08:04 PM   #64 
              - laugh and ridicule all you want  notadmblnd   Aug-11-08 08:11 PM   #65 
                 - Like you'd read them?  trotsky   Aug-11-08 08:18 PM   #66 
                    - apparently, you believe everything your government tells you  notadmblnd   Aug-11-08 08:38 PM   #74 
                       - Can't dispute the facts, can you?  trotsky   Aug-11-08 08:40 PM   #75 
                       - where are your facts  notadmblnd   Aug-11-08 08:54 PM   #78 
                          - That's because you don't have an argument to address.  trotsky   Aug-11-08 08:58 PM   #79 
                             - and I'm the one that can't read?  notadmblnd   Aug-11-08 09:06 PM   #82 
                                - "what ever your motive is; it must be a money maker for you."  beam me up scottie   Aug-11-08 09:09 PM   #83 
                                   - perhaps, but I wouldn't be the only one in this thread  notadmblnd   Aug-11-08 09:16 PM   #85 
                                      - You tell me, here are some more of the nice things you posted:  beam me up scottie   Aug-11-08 09:23 PM   #86 
                                         - I think you've mistaken me with some one else.  notadmblnd   Aug-11-08 09:29 PM   #87 
                                         - As usual you neglect to read others' posts.  beam me up scottie   Aug-11-08 09:34 PM   #88 
                                         - You accused me of calling him a freeper. I did no such thing.  notadmblnd   Aug-11-08 09:36 PM   #89 
                                         - READ the fucking post AGAIN.  beam me up scottie   Aug-11-08 09:43 PM   #90 
                                         - You need to address that with the other person  notadmblnd   Aug-11-08 09:52 PM   #91 
                                         - I accept your apology.  beam me up scottie   Aug-11-08 09:58 PM   #92 
                                         - and I yours.  notadmblnd   Aug-11-08 10:00 PM   #93 
                       - I agree with you on this. We don't know the long term effects  leftyladyfrommo   Aug-12-08 09:36 AM   #103 
              - Vaccines do not affect people's genes...  LeftishBrit   Aug-12-08 09:19 AM   #99 
        - the freepers have a "hard on" for Gardasil too  WillYourVoteBCounted   Aug-11-08 08:27 PM   #69 
           - They do, huh?  trotsky   Aug-11-08 08:35 PM   #73 
              - Did you just catch someone in a lie?  varkam   Aug-12-08 09:14 AM   #98 
  - Most types have a geographical prevalance  dropkickpa   Aug-11-08 06:08 PM   #61 
  - Love the bald-faced lie in the headline.  varkam   Aug-11-08 04:51 PM   #57 
  - Document what you say - quit projecting your actions on the OP  WillYourVoteBCounted   Aug-11-08 09:02 PM   #81 
     - His "beloved Gardasil" ???  beam me up scottie   Aug-11-08 09:12 PM   #84 
     - Oh yeah, this one's got no substance. Just personal attacks and hysteria.  varkam   Aug-12-08 09:13 AM   #97 
        - I gotta hand it to trotsky and LeftishBrit.  beam me up scottie   Aug-12-08 09:23 AM   #100 
     - Yay! More personal attacks!  varkam   Aug-12-08 09:12 AM   #96 
  - I love these threads  Warpy   Aug-11-08 10:24 PM   #94 
  - Agreed  Lisa0825   Aug-12-08 10:24 PM   #105 
     - The FDA approved Vioxx - does that make Vioxx safe?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Aug-12-08 11:02 PM   #106 
        - Shall we assume everything that the FDA approves is teh evul?  varkam   Aug-13-08 12:37 AM   #109 
        - Vioxx was safe,  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-13-08 09:26 PM   #119 
  - 21 deaths out of 8 million treatments?  tburnsten   Aug-13-08 06:18 PM   #112 
  - Newsinferno is also a site that parrots the thimerosal / autism nuttery.  varkam   Aug-13-08 08:03 PM   #118 

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