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Wed Feb-27-08 07:03 AM
Response to Reply #38 |
| 41. I *have* done my research. |
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And everything in a vaccine is there for a reason - either to increase its efficacy, help preserve it, or help deliver it. Whatever other contaminants might be there are on the order of parts per billion. And our immune systems are a LOT tougher than the anti-vaxers give them credit for.
I've gotten my children every shot they've been scheduled for, without any hesitation WHATSOEVER. The infinitesimal risks of vaccination versus the real chance of harm or death from disease make it an absolute no-brainer.
And I'm not going to pretend that using Google *I* have a better understanding of what's a reasonable vaccination schedule. So many arguments are like yours - you just don't "feel" like it's right. There are places where instinct can be followed, and places where it has absolutely no bearing. I defer to the people who have actually spent years of their adult lives doing nothing but research into these topics.
Even my Dr. says the chicken pox vaccine will do a lot of harm to these girls. It will wear off right when they're having children.
Sorry to hear your doctor is somewhat misinformed. The varicella vaccine is a live virus vaccine. In most people, it induces the full immune reaction and gives lifetime immunity. Of course like with all vaccines, it's not 100% effective. My son, for instance, was vaccinated as a toddler and ended up getting chicken pox in first grade. He had a total of 3 sores on his body and missed one day of school. Was the vaccine effective for him? Compared to my 2 weeks missed and permanent scarring, yeah, I'd say that's a resounding YES.
All shots are not good.
If you don't happen to think preventing diseases that used to claim children's lives is good, then I guess so. Could vaccines be made safer and more effective? No doubt. And I wholeheartedly support those efforts. But I'm not going to give search engines equal weight with medical establishment when it comes to my children's health.
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| -Government Concedes Vaccine-Autism Case in Federal Court - Now What? |
itsjustme |
Feb-25-08 11:53 PM |
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Shit, this is huge. |
jgraz |
Feb-26-08 12:09 AM |
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This was quietly conceded? |
Journalgrrl |
Feb-26-08 12:56 AM |
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I def always thought the shots triggered something with my daughter |
K8-EEE |
Feb-26-08 12:59 AM |
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You're likely going to deserve some more dimes on this thread, |
motocicleta |
Feb-26-08 02:19 AM |
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Do you wanna know the truth about the chicken pox vaccine?? |
truedelphi |
Feb-26-08 03:08 AM |
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I almost died from chicken pox as a kid |
dropkickpa |
Feb-27-08 08:15 AM |
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How many children has this concession just condemned to death? |
TheMadMonk |
Feb-26-08 07:08 AM |
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Bravo. |
trotsky |
Feb-26-08 07:24 AM |
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Shades of Michael Clayton, the same people post the same pro-Pharma stuff |
K8-EEE |
Feb-26-08 10:25 PM |
#38 |
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I *have* done my research. |
trotsky |
Feb-27-08 07:03 AM |
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Smart doctor. Concerns about the vaccine wearing off are becoming more abundant. |
mzmolly |
Feb-29-08 07:41 PM |
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It may well save some children. |
Jim__ |
Feb-26-08 07:43 AM |
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For years they screamed about the "toxin" Thimerosol. |
Warpy |
Feb-26-08 05:14 PM |
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That's not so. The issue with MMR was NEVER mercury. |
mzmolly |
Feb-29-08 06:43 PM |
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benefits of vaccines |
itsjustme |
Feb-26-08 07:52 AM |
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I am simply using my best recolection of figures cited by others. |
TheMadMonk |
Feb-26-08 09:22 AM |
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I'd question your claim that, "in all cases the conclusion has been the same" |
Jim__ |
Feb-26-08 09:51 AM |
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CDC figures |
itsjustme |
Feb-26-08 10:02 AM |
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Perhaps the figure I recall is for historical (or worldwide) averages. |
TheMadMonk |
Feb-26-08 03:28 PM |
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"Between the various diseases vaccinated against, the mortality (ie. dead kid, dead kid, DEAD KID) |
motocicleta |
Feb-27-08 12:46 AM |
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BWAH HA HA HA |
trotsky |
Feb-27-08 09:29 AM |
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That's odd. |
motocicleta |
Feb-27-08 10:30 AM |
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Hilarious! |
trotsky |
Feb-27-08 10:44 AM |
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You may not have gotten the memo. |
motocicleta |
Feb-27-08 06:52 PM |
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What a sad, paranoid life you must lead. |
trotsky |
Feb-28-08 06:16 AM |
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It makes you wonder what it is like |
cosmik debris |
Feb-28-08 08:01 AM |
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Mine mistake. I was thinking of third world/pre-industial mortality... |
TheMadMonk |
Feb-27-08 08:43 PM |
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Thanks! about the genome. |
motocicleta |
Feb-28-08 12:17 AM |
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Civil Rights come with Civic RESPONSIBILITIES. |
TheMadMonk |
Feb-28-08 03:56 AM |
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You should re-read my posts - there is no 'hate', |
motocicleta |
Feb-29-08 12:38 AM |
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O.K. my numbers are wrong. FOR POPULATIONS. |
TheMadMonk |
Feb-29-08 02:51 AM |
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You nailed it. |
trotsky |
Feb-29-08 07:19 AM |
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I am big on meaningful numbers because |
motocicleta |
Mar-02-08 12:54 AM |
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My stats may be wrong, but i believe they are within the ballpark. |
TheMadMonk |
Mar-02-08 10:14 AM |
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Well, at least I have helped you refine your facts. |
motocicleta |
Mar-03-08 01:58 AM |
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That's generally the way it goes with me. |
TheMadMonk |
Mar-03-08 06:22 PM |
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Just love the "Children of a Lesser God" reference. |
TheMadMonk |
Feb-28-08 05:02 AM |
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Great freakin' post... |
SidDithers |
Feb-27-08 08:48 AM |
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Pretty amazing what some people will make of a paper they've never seen |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-08 07:46 AM |
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I cannot believe the vitriol on this topic. Folks, this is a decision by a Master Panel of experts.. |
arendt |
Feb-26-08 07:47 AM |
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I'm with you! |
itsjustme |
Feb-26-08 08:02 AM |
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And, I'm with you. Its not black-and-white, either-or... |
arendt |
Feb-26-08 08:11 AM |
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Experts for the plaintif and for the defence are demonstrably biased. |
TheMadMonk |
Feb-26-08 08:19 AM |
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Since no one knows what causes autism or what the mechanism is... |
arendt |
Feb-26-08 12:48 PM |
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Because some cases of autism can be attributed to a physical brain... |
TheMadMonk |
Feb-26-08 03:05 PM |
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Why are you so interested in "blame"? Blame is a value judgment; not a scientific one... |
arendt |
Feb-26-08 03:13 PM |
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Excuse me! I am not the one BLAMING vaccines in the absence... |
TheMadMonk |
Feb-26-08 04:06 PM |
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I have no intention of arguing with a fanatic like you. This is simply not my issue... |
arendt |
Feb-26-08 04:10 PM |
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Fanatical? Yup. Fanatical about not killing children through ignorance... |
TheMadMonk |
Feb-26-08 06:35 PM |
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MadMonk is EXTREMELY pro-PHARMA! |
K8-EEE |
Feb-27-08 10:29 AM |
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He's pro-pharma to the point of being anti-science, IMHO. n/t |
arendt |
Feb-27-08 03:09 PM |
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Good old ad hominem |
chicagomd |
Feb-27-08 03:18 PM |
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Want to read my last two paragraphs mate? |
TheMadMonk |
Feb-27-08 03:36 PM |
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evidence based arguments my ass! |
cosmik debris |
Feb-27-08 04:50 PM |
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Exactly. "I know what I know. I don't need no steenkin' facts." |
TheMadMonk |
Feb-27-08 08:16 PM |
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Oh I believe it. It happens every time and IMO |
K8-EEE |
Feb-26-08 10:26 PM |
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Some people here continually dismiss any concern with any vaccine and equate them |
mzmolly |
Feb-29-08 06:59 PM |
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Hell my dogs don't get that many |
newfie11 |
Feb-26-08 09:55 AM |
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Now what, indeed? |
chicagomd |
Feb-26-08 02:48 PM |
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This may be an independent confirmation of the case. |
Jim__ |
Feb-26-08 03:20 PM |
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Thanks! |
chicagomd |
Feb-26-08 05:35 PM |
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You mention a very important phrase. |
trotsky |
Feb-26-08 06:04 PM |
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what is autism? |
itsjustme |
Feb-26-08 06:37 PM |
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Those are Kirby's words. |
trotsky |
Feb-26-08 06:46 PM |
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parsing words maybe |
itsjustme |
Feb-26-08 06:57 PM |
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I have reason to believe that the author is financially motivated |
trotsky |
Feb-26-08 07:02 PM |
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Frist, of course, |
chicagomd |
Feb-26-08 07:29 PM |
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The full text is linked... |
chicagomd |
Feb-26-08 07:26 PM |
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I will be as calm as possible about this question, and I pray you can do the same. |
motocicleta |
Feb-29-08 02:06 AM |
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Pray all you want. |
trotsky |
Feb-29-08 07:16 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-02-08 12:56 AM |
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Because some children will definitely die or be permanently affected... |
TheMadMonk |
Mar-01-08 04:17 AM |
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Why does it matter what we call the damage? |
mzmolly |
Feb-29-08 07:13 PM |
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It matters not at all. |
TheMadMonk |
Mar-01-08 06:18 AM |
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Thanks for the response. |
mzmolly |
Mar-01-08 04:27 PM |
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I was not suggesting that YOU advocated the stopping of vaccination. |
TheMadMonk |
Mar-01-08 10:56 PM |
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Darn, just lost a long thoughtful reply to you. |
mzmolly |
Mar-02-08 04:27 PM |
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I know the feeling. |
TheMadMonk |
Mar-03-08 03:41 PM |
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Making an educated guess on who you're arguing with, |
trotsky |
Mar-03-08 05:09 PM |
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Turns out, I do have some time to reply this evening. |
mzmolly |
Mar-03-08 08:28 PM |
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"Wouldn't it be fantastic..." |
mzmolly |
Feb-29-08 06:31 PM |
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Oh, Kirby wrote it. |
varkam |
Feb-26-08 06:44 PM |
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Anti vaccine whackjob makes up court case |
rinsd |
Feb-27-08 02:26 PM |
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It's amazing how many "free loading fear mongers" will fight AGAINST SAFER vaccines. |
mzmolly |
Feb-29-08 06:05 PM |
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This non-story is sure to be overplayed by the anti-vax crowd |
Orrex |
Mar-04-08 09:48 PM |
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I would expect a more honest report from a true skeptic. |
Jim__ |
Mar-05-08 08:21 AM |
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