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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:25 PM
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38. Shades of Michael Clayton, the same people post the same pro-Pharma stuff
every time this comes up.

Just sayin'

Nobody's saying never get any shot. Yes some vaccinations (polio for example) are fab.

I would prefer that they did not BOMB my newborn with unnecessary toxins such as mercury, and the way these "schedules" are decided, is not a very transparent process and one that makes a lot of money for certain industries. Of course I know a lot more about that now that the damage is done than I did as a gullable new mom signing off on every suggested vaccine and trusting the doctors implicitly.

I don't really recommend that. Do your research before getting your kids shot up. About half the stuff is ridiculous.

Even my Dr. says the chicken pox vaccine will do a lot of harm to these girls. It will wear off right when they're having children. They're better off getting it as young children, not when they're 25 and pregnant! And you can bet in our health care system half of young 20-somethings will NOT keep up with boosters.

All shots are not evil. All shots are not good. It's a bit more complicated than that.
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  -Government Concedes Vaccine-Autism Case in Federal Court - Now What? itsjustme  Feb-25-08 11:53 PM   #0 
  - Shit, this is huge.  jgraz   Feb-26-08 12:09 AM   #1 
  - This was quietly conceded?  Journalgrrl   Feb-26-08 12:56 AM   #2 
  - I def always thought the shots triggered something with my daughter  K8-EEE   Feb-26-08 12:59 AM   #3 
  - You're likely going to deserve some more dimes on this thread,  motocicleta   Feb-26-08 02:19 AM   #4 
     - Do you wanna know the truth about the chicken pox vaccine??  truedelphi   Feb-26-08 03:08 AM   #5 
        - I almost died from chicken pox as a kid  dropkickpa   Feb-27-08 08:15 AM   #42 
  - How many children has this concession just condemned to death?  TheMadMonk   Feb-26-08 07:08 AM   #6 
  - Bravo.  trotsky   Feb-26-08 07:24 AM   #7 
  - Shades of Michael Clayton, the same people post the same pro-Pharma stuff  K8-EEE   Feb-26-08 10:25 PM   #38 
     - I *have* done my research.  trotsky   Feb-27-08 07:03 AM   #41 
     - Smart doctor. Concerns about the vaccine wearing off are becoming more abundant.  mzmolly   Feb-29-08 07:41 PM   #71 
  - It may well save some children.  Jim__   Feb-26-08 07:43 AM   #8 
  - For years they screamed about the "toxin" Thimerosol.  Warpy   Feb-26-08 05:14 PM   #27 
     - That's not so. The issue with MMR was NEVER mercury.  mzmolly   Feb-29-08 06:43 PM   #68 
  - benefits of vaccines  itsjustme   Feb-26-08 07:52 AM   #11 
  - I am simply using my best recolection of figures cited by others.  TheMadMonk   Feb-26-08 09:22 AM   #15 
     - I'd question your claim that, "in all cases the conclusion has been the same"  Jim__   Feb-26-08 09:51 AM   #16 
     - CDC figures  itsjustme   Feb-26-08 10:02 AM   #18 
        - Perhaps the figure I recall is for historical (or worldwide) averages.  TheMadMonk   Feb-26-08 03:28 PM   #24 
  - "Between the various diseases vaccinated against, the mortality (ie. dead kid, dead kid, DEAD KID)  motocicleta   Feb-27-08 12:46 AM   #40 
  - BWAH HA HA HA  trotsky   Feb-27-08 09:29 AM   #44 
  - That's odd.  motocicleta   Feb-27-08 10:30 AM   #46 
     - Hilarious!  trotsky   Feb-27-08 10:44 AM   #47 
        - You may not have gotten the memo.  motocicleta   Feb-27-08 06:52 PM   #53 
           - What a sad, paranoid life you must lead.  trotsky   Feb-28-08 06:16 AM   #59 
              - It makes you wonder what it is like  cosmik debris   Feb-28-08 08:01 AM   #60 
  - Mine mistake. I was thinking of third world/pre-industial mortality...  TheMadMonk   Feb-27-08 08:43 PM   #55 
     - Thanks! about the genome.  motocicleta   Feb-28-08 12:17 AM   #56 
        - Civil Rights come with Civic RESPONSIBILITIES.  TheMadMonk   Feb-28-08 03:56 AM   #57 
        - You should re-read my posts - there is no 'hate',  motocicleta   Feb-29-08 12:38 AM   #61 
           - O.K. my numbers are wrong. FOR POPULATIONS.  TheMadMonk   Feb-29-08 02:51 AM   #63 
              - You nailed it.  trotsky   Feb-29-08 07:19 AM   #65 
              - I am big on meaningful numbers because  motocicleta   Mar-02-08 12:54 AM   #76 
                 - My stats may be wrong, but i believe they are within the ballpark.  TheMadMonk   Mar-02-08 10:14 AM   #78 
                    - Well, at least I have helped you refine your facts.  motocicleta   Mar-03-08 01:58 AM   #80 
                       - That's generally the way it goes with me.  TheMadMonk   Mar-03-08 06:22 PM   #83 
        - Just love the "Children of a Lesser God" reference.  TheMadMonk   Feb-28-08 05:02 AM   #58 
  - Great freakin' post...  SidDithers   Feb-27-08 08:48 AM   #43 
  - Pretty amazing what some people will make of a paper they've never seen  jberryhill   Feb-26-08 07:46 AM   #9 
  - I cannot believe the vitriol on this topic. Folks, this is a decision by a Master Panel of experts..  arendt   Feb-26-08 07:47 AM   #10 
  - I'm with you!  itsjustme   Feb-26-08 08:02 AM   #12 
  - And, I'm with you. Its not black-and-white, either-or...  arendt   Feb-26-08 08:11 AM   #13 
  - Experts for the plaintif and for the defence are demonstrably biased.  TheMadMonk   Feb-26-08 08:19 AM   #14 
  - Since no one knows what causes autism or what the mechanism is...  arendt   Feb-26-08 12:48 PM   #19 
     - Because some cases of autism can be attributed to a physical brain...  TheMadMonk   Feb-26-08 03:05 PM   #21 
        - Why are you so interested in "blame"? Blame is a value judgment; not a scientific one...  arendt   Feb-26-08 03:13 PM   #22 
           - Excuse me! I am not the one BLAMING vaccines in the absence...  TheMadMonk   Feb-26-08 04:06 PM   #25 
              - I have no intention of arguing with a fanatic like you. This is simply not my issue...  arendt   Feb-26-08 04:10 PM   #26 
                 - Fanatical? Yup. Fanatical about not killing children through ignorance...  TheMadMonk   Feb-26-08 06:35 PM   #30 
                 - MadMonk is EXTREMELY pro-PHARMA!  K8-EEE   Feb-27-08 10:29 AM   #45 
                    - He's pro-pharma to the point of being anti-science, IMHO. n/t  arendt   Feb-27-08 03:09 PM   #49 
                    - Good old ad hominem  chicagomd   Feb-27-08 03:18 PM   #50 
                    - Want to read my last two paragraphs mate?  TheMadMonk   Feb-27-08 03:36 PM   #51 
                       - evidence based arguments my ass!  cosmik debris   Feb-27-08 04:50 PM   #52 
                          - Exactly. "I know what I know. I don't need no steenkin' facts."  TheMadMonk   Feb-27-08 08:16 PM   #54 
  - Oh I believe it. It happens every time and IMO  K8-EEE   Feb-26-08 10:26 PM   #39 
  - Some people here continually dismiss any concern with any vaccine and equate them  mzmolly   Feb-29-08 06:59 PM   #69 
  - Hell my dogs don't get that many  newfie11   Feb-26-08 09:55 AM   #17 
  - Now what, indeed?  chicagomd   Feb-26-08 02:48 PM   #20 
  - This may be an independent confirmation of the case.  Jim__   Feb-26-08 03:20 PM   #23 
  - Thanks!  chicagomd   Feb-26-08 05:35 PM   #28 
     - You mention a very important phrase.  trotsky   Feb-26-08 06:04 PM   #29 
     - what is autism?  itsjustme   Feb-26-08 06:37 PM   #31 
     - Those are Kirby's words.  trotsky   Feb-26-08 06:46 PM   #33 
        - parsing words maybe  itsjustme   Feb-26-08 06:57 PM   #34 
           - I have reason to believe that the author is financially motivated  trotsky   Feb-26-08 07:02 PM   #35 
           - Frist, of course,  chicagomd   Feb-26-08 07:29 PM   #37 
           - The full text is linked...  chicagomd   Feb-26-08 07:26 PM   #36 
     - I will be as calm as possible about this question, and I pray you can do the same.  motocicleta   Feb-29-08 02:06 AM   #62 
        - Pray all you want.  trotsky   Feb-29-08 07:16 AM   #64 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-08 12:56 AM   #77 
        - Because some children will definitely die or be permanently affected...  TheMadMonk   Mar-01-08 04:17 AM   #72 
     - Why does it matter what we call the damage?  mzmolly   Feb-29-08 07:13 PM   #70 
        - It matters not at all.  TheMadMonk   Mar-01-08 06:18 AM   #73 
           - Thanks for the response.  mzmolly   Mar-01-08 04:27 PM   #74 
              - I was not suggesting that YOU advocated the stopping of vaccination.  TheMadMonk   Mar-01-08 10:56 PM   #75 
                 - Darn, just lost a long thoughtful reply to you.  mzmolly   Mar-02-08 04:27 PM   #79 
                    - I know the feeling.  TheMadMonk   Mar-03-08 03:41 PM   #81 
                       - Making an educated guess on who you're arguing with,  trotsky   Mar-03-08 05:09 PM   #82 
                       - Turns out, I do have some time to reply this evening.  mzmolly   Mar-03-08 08:28 PM   #84 
  - "Wouldn't it be fantastic..."  mzmolly   Feb-29-08 06:31 PM   #67 
  - Oh, Kirby wrote it.  varkam   Feb-26-08 06:44 PM   #32 
  - Anti vaccine whackjob makes up court case  rinsd   Feb-27-08 02:26 PM   #48 
  - It's amazing how many "free loading fear mongers" will fight AGAINST SAFER vaccines.  mzmolly   Feb-29-08 06:05 PM   #66 
  - This non-story is sure to be overplayed by the anti-vax crowd  Orrex   Mar-04-08 09:48 PM   #85 
     - I would expect a more honest report from a true skeptic.  Jim__   Mar-05-08 08:21 AM   #86 

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