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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:16 PM
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122. I don't know what links you are talking about, but I cited hundreds of peer-reviewed studies
in these review papers. There are not any links to the studies I'm talking about. Anyone can confirm most are abstracted in Medline as I indicated. And they have not been debunked by you or anyone.

You saying it doesn't make it so. The review papers here cite a huge number of studies. Which ones do you disagree with and where is your credible evidence that there is a problem with them.

It seems we need to get into some specifics. I have to assume that you just haven't bothered to look at the papers or even the abstracts.

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  -Neurologica: Mercury Excretion in Infants varkam  Feb-04-08 07:40 PM   #0 
  - Great article!  cosmik debris   Feb-04-08 07:55 PM   #1 
  - more junk science  jeanruss   Feb-04-08 08:19 PM   #4 
     - So you believe the shills peddling chelation therapy?  cosmik debris   Feb-04-08 08:57 PM   #5 
     - no mercury  jeanruss   Feb-04-08 09:19 PM   #7 
     - Of course the rate of serious adverse reactions to Gardasil...  varkam   Feb-04-08 09:26 PM   #10 
     - WOW! You sure changed the subject fast!  cosmik debris   Feb-04-08 09:30 PM   #11 
     - Studies in the med. lit. have documented the mechanisms of vaccines/mercury causing autism -documen  philb   Feb-05-08 10:47 PM   #92 
     - same bogus links over and over and over and over and over ...  cosmik debris   Feb-06-08 07:44 AM   #101 
     - Vaccine induces Demyelination & Autoimmunity a documented cause of autism- detailed doc.  philb   Feb-05-08 11:09 PM   #95 
        - I know that issues of citations are completely lost on you, but...  varkam   Feb-05-08 11:35 PM   #99 
     - Do you have ANY links or cites WHATSOEVER...  trotsky   Feb-04-08 09:39 PM   #14 
        - I think you've been dealing with Mr. Cites a bit too much lately.  varkam   Feb-04-08 09:40 PM   #16 
           - That study poorly done/bogus documented by peer-reviewed studies in post 83, 85  philb   Feb-05-08 10:14 PM   #88 
              - Additional support by the tests and experience of treatment clinics and the ARI parent survey of tho  philb   Feb-05-08 10:19 PM   #89 
              - For Christ's Sake  varkam   Feb-05-08 10:44 PM   #91 
                 - Documented mechanism by which mercury/thimerosl causes schizophrenic behavior in autism/schizophreni  philb   Feb-05-08 11:02 PM   #94 
                    - Like I said  varkam   Feb-05-08 11:31 PM   #97 
                    - This is what you call a peer reviewed study??  cosmik debris   Feb-06-08 08:13 AM   #106 
              - Your sources stink.  cosmik debris   Feb-06-08 07:47 AM   #102 
                 - You are wrong; anyone can check that my sources are peer-reviewed and have not been discredited by  philb   Feb-10-08 01:04 PM   #120 
                 - I checked your links-- they are bullshit  cosmik debris   Feb-10-08 01:05 PM   #121 
                    - I don't know what links you are talking about, but I cited hundreds of peer-reviewed studies  philb   Feb-10-08 01:16 PM   #122 
                       - I picked six links that you cited.  cosmik debris   Feb-10-08 01:18 PM   #123 
                          - Just not true as anyone who follows the trail can see. All statements and references are accurate  philb   Feb-10-08 11:01 PM   #150 
                             - Who will believe your fake lab report for Mrs. Sample Patient  cosmik debris   Feb-11-08 08:51 AM   #151 
                 - Large independent survey finds link between Autism and ADHD with vaccination  philb   Feb-10-08 01:18 PM   #124 
                    - Another step into the hole for philb.  chicagomd   Feb-10-08 03:00 PM   #141 
     - The huge Autism Association/ARI survey of thousands of parents is clear documentation; plus ...  philb   Feb-05-08 11:24 PM   #96 
        - Bernie! A SURVEY IS NOT SOUND EPIDEMOLOGICAL EVIDENCE!  varkam   Feb-05-08 11:37 PM   #100 
        - Autism Association is NOT a reliable source.  cosmik debris   Feb-06-08 07:52 AM   #103 
           - The best evidence the antivax hysterics could possibly present  Warpy   Feb-07-08 11:36 PM   #115 
              - Public policy? Breakthroughs?  varkam   Feb-08-08 03:41 AM   #116 
     - Sweet, delicious irony.  varkam   Feb-04-08 09:34 PM   #12 
     - It is just easier to ignore facts that don't fit. n/t  cosmik debris   Feb-04-08 09:40 PM   #15 
     - Yeah, but these facts were in the damn abstract.  varkam   Feb-04-08 09:41 PM   #17 
     - I didn't have any trouble, but then  cosmik debris   Feb-04-08 09:49 PM   #18 
     - You've supplied not a single valid study, all have been demonstrated poorly done, wrong  philb   Feb-05-08 10:28 PM   #90 
        - Don't need to.  cosmik debris   Feb-06-08 07:59 AM   #104 
     - the study  itsjustme   Feb-04-08 10:42 PM   #19 
        - From the OP:  varkam   Feb-04-08 11:07 PM   #20 
        - I don't think you can reach that conclusion  itsjustme   Feb-04-08 11:24 PM   #21 
           - But the data doesn't exactly warrant that conclusion.  varkam   Feb-04-08 11:30 PM   #22 
              - nothing about any of this is conclusive  itsjustme   Feb-04-08 11:43 PM   #23 
                 - Also, note that there is a smaller N...  varkam   Feb-04-08 11:45 PM   #24 
                    - a "lot"  itsjustme   Feb-05-08 07:46 AM   #26 
                       - Like I wrote...  varkam   Feb-05-08 07:37 PM   #33 
                          - well if it isn't a lot  itsjustme   Feb-05-08 08:33 PM   #75 
                             - That's why the study's authors discussed the need for follow-up research  varkam   Feb-05-08 08:34 PM   #77 
                                - I understand  itsjustme   Feb-05-08 09:29 PM   #81 
                                   - That's pretty much the exact opposite conclusion that the scientists came to...  varkam   Feb-05-08 09:38 PM   #82 
                                      - No credible studies support your claims; thats been clearly demonstrated  philb   Feb-05-08 10:57 PM   #93 
                                         - I'm not claiming anything, Bernie.  varkam   Feb-05-08 11:31 PM   #98 
        - "If mercury is no longer in the blood, where is that mercury coming from?"  trotsky   Feb-05-08 07:17 AM   #25 
     - More peer-reviewed study documentation and thousands of clinical cases at post 83, 85  philb   Feb-05-08 10:05 PM   #86 
  - I took 5 minutes to look up the name of the first scientist listed in this study.......  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-04-08 08:02 PM   #2 
  - So your perceived conflict of interest means  cosmik debris   Feb-04-08 09:14 PM   #6 
  - Only if the conflict of interest involves big pharma.  varkam   Feb-04-08 09:24 PM   #8 
  - No.... no.... but it is a MONSTROUS conflict of interest. The man obviously wants....  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 07:11 PM   #27 
     - Are you saying that  cosmik debris   Feb-05-08 07:28 PM   #30 
        - They have cause to because of whom he works for. That's why conflicts of interest are bad.....  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 07:36 PM   #32 
           - But you admit that there is no evidence of wrongdoing?  cosmik debris   Feb-05-08 07:39 PM   #34 
              - No, how could I say there's no evidence of wrongdoing? I haven't investigated it....  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 07:41 PM   #35 
                 - But conflict of interest does not mean that the data is corrupt  cosmik debris   Feb-05-08 07:47 PM   #41 
                    - The manufacturer of the product in question performed his own study. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 07:48 PM   #42 
                       - The American Academy of Pediatrics didn't have a problem with it  cosmik debris   Feb-05-08 07:59 PM   #47 
                          - The American Academy of Pediatrics is made up of doctors who have had no trouble throughout  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 08:04 PM   #51 
                             - Ha! They're *all* in on the conspiracy, right?  varkam   Feb-05-08 08:05 PM   #53 
                                - Nonononono. My nephew is a doctor. Doctors are like everyone.....  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 08:10 PM   #60 
                                   - Way to change the subject.  varkam   Feb-05-08 08:13 PM   #64 
                                      - Soooooooooooooooooooooooo.... what is your tremendous interest in defending this  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 08:16 PM   #68 
                                      - Way to change the subject again.  varkam   Feb-05-08 08:29 PM   #73 
                                      - Broad brush smears are sooooo FUN!  cosmik debris   Feb-05-08 08:17 PM   #69 
  - That would be an ad hominem.  varkam   Feb-04-08 09:25 PM   #9 
     - The links are ad hominems? Is it an ad hominem that he admits he's hired by Thimerosal producers  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 07:13 PM   #28 
        - Attacking the person instead of the data/argument  lizerdbits   Feb-05-08 07:26 PM   #29 
        - Did I? I didn't say, "Dr. so and so is ugly and stupid", I said, "Dr so and so admitted he worked  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 07:34 PM   #31 
           - I believe that's what that poster meant  lizerdbits   Feb-05-08 07:42 PM   #36 
              - No, it qualifies.  varkam   Feb-05-08 07:44 PM   #38 
              - I said there's a conflict of interest. It's the manufacturer testing his own product. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 07:46 PM   #39 
                 - What's the problem with the data or conclusions?  lizerdbits   Feb-05-08 07:55 PM   #43 
                    - That the manufacturer has reasons to play with the results so he doesn't lose money on Thimerosal  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 07:58 PM   #44 
                       - But that doesn't mean that they did.  varkam   Feb-05-08 07:59 PM   #46 
                       - It's illogical to TRUST any pharmaceutical company to run their own tests on their own already-  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 08:02 PM   #49 
                          - Thimerosal is neither threatened nor troubled by the science  varkam   Feb-05-08 08:04 PM   #52 
                             - Oh really? Well, I've been watching the articles that came out BEFORE Eli Stone, and afterwards....  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 08:07 PM   #57 
                                - ?  varkam   Feb-05-08 08:09 PM   #59 
                                   - Well? What part do you play in all this? :-) You've peaked my interest.  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 08:14 PM   #66 
                                      - How am I defending it?  lizerdbits   Feb-05-08 08:25 PM   #71 
                                      - It is all about the people, not about the study  cosmik debris   Feb-05-08 08:30 PM   #74 
                                      - Does merely pointing out...  varkam   Feb-05-08 08:33 PM   #76 
                       - So what's the problem with the conclusions?  lizerdbits   Feb-05-08 08:06 PM   #55 
        - An ad hominem argument is where you attack the person presenting...  varkam   Feb-05-08 07:43 PM   #37 
           - The manufacturer ran these studies for his own product.. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 07:46 PM   #40 
              - There is, of course, a major difference between...  varkam   Feb-05-08 07:58 PM   #45 
                 - Oh yeah? What's the difference? That in one the CEO himself lies....  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 08:00 PM   #48 
                    - Do you actually have any evidence whatsoever of any wrong-doing?  varkam   Feb-05-08 08:02 PM   #50 
                       - Yes. You mean, as in having to be arrested? I don't know. Are scientists who sell themselves out  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 08:06 PM   #54 
                          - Oh, you do? Please then, share it with the class.  varkam   Feb-05-08 08:07 PM   #56 
                          - Share what? What exactly are you talking about? And by the way....  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 08:11 PM   #62 
                             - Forget what we were just talking about?  varkam   Feb-05-08 08:15 PM   #67 
                                - But there's something even more interesting.....  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 08:18 PM   #70 
                                   - I would say the more interesting thing...  varkam   Feb-05-08 08:39 PM   #78 
                                      - Mr. Kool-Aid, you ask me to trust, but I'm very non-trusting, particularly of studies performed by  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 09:09 PM   #79 
                                         - I'm not asking you to trust.  varkam   Feb-05-08 09:27 PM   #80 
                                            - And I'm saying that the probability that this dude was honest in his science is really low nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-06-08 06:51 PM   #107 
                                               - And I'm saying you have not even come close to proving your case.  varkam   Feb-06-08 09:12 PM   #108 
                                                  - There is no case. A test performed by someone who has a bad reputation, is no test at all nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-06-08 09:18 PM   #109 
                                                  - The validity of the test depends on your opinion of the tester?  cosmik debris   Feb-06-08 10:07 PM   #110 
                                                  - What if I performed a test? How valid would it be? nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-07-08 06:52 PM   #112 
                                                  - And you know nothing of the research...  varkam   Feb-06-08 11:51 PM   #111 
                                                  - As long as it's the pharmaceutical company in question that is financing he test, it should be  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-07-08 06:53 PM   #113 
                                                  - So you say. eom  varkam   Feb-07-08 08:06 PM   #114 
                          - Where's my beemer?!  lizerdbits   Feb-05-08 08:08 PM   #58 
                             - Don't you remember at the last Merckenary conference...  varkam   Feb-05-08 08:11 PM   #61 
                             - Oh now you're trying to make me seem like I said *ALL* scientists sell themselves to corporations  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-05-08 08:12 PM   #63 
                             - No just being humorous  lizerdbits   Feb-05-08 08:14 PM   #65 
                                - Humour is lost on this one. eom  varkam   Feb-05-08 08:26 PM   #72 
                             - Peer-reviewed doc. showing clear causality in post 125 and 127, and not discredited  philb   Feb-10-08 02:26 PM   #137 
                                - philb debunked right here  cosmik debris   Feb-10-08 02:27 PM   #138 
  - Thanks for posting  lizerdbits   Feb-04-08 08:14 PM   #3 
  - Utterly demolishes what little semblance of an "argument" the anti-vax loonies had.  trotsky   Feb-04-08 09:38 PM   #13 
  - Another poorly done study by researchers not familair with mercury effects and the med. literature  philb   Feb-05-08 09:46 PM   #83 
  - You're citing parents' subjective ratings of improvement...  varkam   Feb-05-08 09:51 PM   #84 
  - I cited peer-reviewed studies that clearly indicate this study is poorly done/bogus  philb   Feb-05-08 10:03 PM   #85 
     - You're changing the subject.  varkam   Feb-05-08 10:11 PM   #87 
  - Same bogus shit over and over and over and over and over...  cosmik debris   Feb-06-08 08:06 AM   #105 
     - Its you who can't back up any of your claims; never cite any valid studies  philb   Feb-08-08 05:09 AM   #117 
     - No, it's you who never cites any VALID studies, Bernie/BernieJr.  trotsky   Feb-08-08 07:21 AM   #118 
     - Autoimmune Autism Linked to Thimerosal and Aluminum in Vaccines  philb   Feb-10-08 01:21 PM   #125 
     - You need to be familiar with these definitions.  cosmik debris   Feb-10-08 01:24 PM   #126 
        - We're very familiar with chemistry and the scientific method; seems that's more than for you  philb   Feb-10-08 01:44 PM   #129 
           - Your behavior is unhealthy.  cosmik debris   Feb-10-08 01:49 PM   #130 
     - Another causal mechanism of vaccine/metal caused neurological damage seen in autistic children  philb   Feb-10-08 01:29 PM   #127 
        - Same link, same obsession, same compulsion, get help.  cosmik debris   Feb-10-08 01:31 PM   #128 
           - Again you have't shown anything, and we know by now you apparently can't  philb   Feb-10-08 01:53 PM   #131 
              - You were caught red handed using a fake lab report.  cosmik debris   Feb-10-08 01:55 PM   #132 
                 - What are you talking about? You are not talking about me.  philb   Feb-10-08 02:02 PM   #133 
                    - I caught you red handed--a smoking gun  cosmik debris   Feb-10-08 02:04 PM   #134 
                       - Not true; your saying so doesn't make it so;  philb   Feb-10-08 02:19 PM   #135 
                          - You're dodging because I caught you using fake documentation  cosmik debris   Feb-10-08 02:24 PM   #136 
                             - Absolutely not true. As I said, I have never deliberately tried to mislead anyone  philb   Feb-10-08 02:38 PM   #139 
                                - BUSTED!!!!!  cosmik debris   Feb-10-08 02:42 PM   #140 
                                   - I assume this is the same thing as I just explained in the previous post  philb   Feb-10-08 03:13 PM   #142 
                                   - You posted six bogus links  cosmik debris   Feb-10-08 03:22 PM   #143 
                                   - Your post has no links so I have no clue what you are talking about  philb   Feb-10-08 05:02 PM   #144 
                                      - The links are yours, and they are BOGUS  cosmik debris   Feb-10-08 05:05 PM   #145 
                                         - I looked; none of the links are bogus; some of the Gov't agency links have changed  philb   Feb-10-08 05:54 PM   #146 
                                            - You can not justify this fraud  cosmik debris   Feb-10-08 06:59 PM   #147 
                                               - It does support my postion; the report has the DD reference Hg level for with and w/o amalgam  philb   Feb-10-08 09:20 PM   #148 
                                                  - LOL! philb=fraud LOL!  cosmik debris   Feb-10-08 09:27 PM   #149 
  - ...  xchrom   Feb-10-08 08:19 AM   #119 

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