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Tue Feb-05-08 10:03 PM
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| 85. I cited peer-reviewed studies that clearly indicate this study is poorly done/bogus |
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And the evidence is clear, and you or anyone else can't demonstrate otherwise The huge amount of clear clinical experience and thousands of medical tests that confirm what I say here is just additional very strong evidence supporting my case. A much bigger sample size than this study, and done in a credible manner- contrary to this obviously poorly structured study that does not, could not demonstrate what is claimed. This is an example of a straw dog study. Demonstate one thing (short time in blood of ethyl compared to methyl) and claim something else that has nothing to do with this- body burden or toxic effects; As has been demonstrated by 2 of the most experienced mercury researchers in the U.S. (Clarkson and Magos), its not how long mercury remains in the blood that is important, its the levels in the brain and other organs and the neurotoxic, hormonal, and metabolic effects. The major neurotoxic, hormonal, and metabolic effects of thimerosal/ethyl mercury have been documented in the medical literature www.flcv.com/kidshg.html and by clinical experience of the hundreds of doctors treating thousands of autistic children, and as confirmed by the large ARI parent survey.
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| -Neurologica: Mercury Excretion in Infants |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 07:40 PM |
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Great article! |
cosmik debris |
Feb-04-08 07:55 PM |
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more junk science |
jeanruss |
Feb-04-08 08:19 PM |
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So you believe the shills peddling chelation therapy? |
cosmik debris |
Feb-04-08 08:57 PM |
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no mercury |
jeanruss |
Feb-04-08 09:19 PM |
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Of course the rate of serious adverse reactions to Gardasil... |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 09:26 PM |
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WOW! You sure changed the subject fast! |
cosmik debris |
Feb-04-08 09:30 PM |
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Studies in the med. lit. have documented the mechanisms of vaccines/mercury causing autism -documen |
philb |
Feb-05-08 10:47 PM |
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same bogus links over and over and over and over and over ... |
cosmik debris |
Feb-06-08 07:44 AM |
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Vaccine induces Demyelination & Autoimmunity a documented cause of autism- detailed doc. |
philb |
Feb-05-08 11:09 PM |
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I know that issues of citations are completely lost on you, but... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 11:35 PM |
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Do you have ANY links or cites WHATSOEVER... |
trotsky |
Feb-04-08 09:39 PM |
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I think you've been dealing with Mr. Cites a bit too much lately. |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 09:40 PM |
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That study poorly done/bogus documented by peer-reviewed studies in post 83, 85 |
philb |
Feb-05-08 10:14 PM |
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Additional support by the tests and experience of treatment clinics and the ARI parent survey of tho |
philb |
Feb-05-08 10:19 PM |
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For Christ's Sake |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 10:44 PM |
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Documented mechanism by which mercury/thimerosl causes schizophrenic behavior in autism/schizophreni |
philb |
Feb-05-08 11:02 PM |
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Like I said |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 11:31 PM |
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This is what you call a peer reviewed study?? |
cosmik debris |
Feb-06-08 08:13 AM |
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Your sources stink. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-06-08 07:47 AM |
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You are wrong; anyone can check that my sources are peer-reviewed and have not been discredited by |
philb |
Feb-10-08 01:04 PM |
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I checked your links-- they are bullshit |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 01:05 PM |
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I don't know what links you are talking about, but I cited hundreds of peer-reviewed studies |
philb |
Feb-10-08 01:16 PM |
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I picked six links that you cited. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 01:18 PM |
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Just not true as anyone who follows the trail can see. All statements and references are accurate |
philb |
Feb-10-08 11:01 PM |
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Who will believe your fake lab report for Mrs. Sample Patient |
cosmik debris |
Feb-11-08 08:51 AM |
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Large independent survey finds link between Autism and ADHD with vaccination |
philb |
Feb-10-08 01:18 PM |
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Another step into the hole for philb. |
chicagomd |
Feb-10-08 03:00 PM |
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The huge Autism Association/ARI survey of thousands of parents is clear documentation; plus ... |
philb |
Feb-05-08 11:24 PM |
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Bernie! A SURVEY IS NOT SOUND EPIDEMOLOGICAL EVIDENCE! |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 11:37 PM |
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Autism Association is NOT a reliable source. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-06-08 07:52 AM |
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The best evidence the antivax hysterics could possibly present |
Warpy |
Feb-07-08 11:36 PM |
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Public policy? Breakthroughs? |
varkam |
Feb-08-08 03:41 AM |
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Sweet, delicious irony. |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 09:34 PM |
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It is just easier to ignore facts that don't fit. n/t |
cosmik debris |
Feb-04-08 09:40 PM |
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Yeah, but these facts were in the damn abstract. |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 09:41 PM |
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I didn't have any trouble, but then |
cosmik debris |
Feb-04-08 09:49 PM |
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You've supplied not a single valid study, all have been demonstrated poorly done, wrong |
philb |
Feb-05-08 10:28 PM |
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Don't need to. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-06-08 07:59 AM |
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the study |
itsjustme |
Feb-04-08 10:42 PM |
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From the OP: |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 11:07 PM |
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I don't think you can reach that conclusion |
itsjustme |
Feb-04-08 11:24 PM |
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But the data doesn't exactly warrant that conclusion. |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 11:30 PM |
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nothing about any of this is conclusive |
itsjustme |
Feb-04-08 11:43 PM |
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Also, note that there is a smaller N... |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 11:45 PM |
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a "lot" |
itsjustme |
Feb-05-08 07:46 AM |
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Like I wrote... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 07:37 PM |
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well if it isn't a lot |
itsjustme |
Feb-05-08 08:33 PM |
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That's why the study's authors discussed the need for follow-up research |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:34 PM |
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I understand |
itsjustme |
Feb-05-08 09:29 PM |
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That's pretty much the exact opposite conclusion that the scientists came to... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 09:38 PM |
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No credible studies support your claims; thats been clearly demonstrated |
philb |
Feb-05-08 10:57 PM |
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I'm not claiming anything, Bernie. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 11:31 PM |
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"If mercury is no longer in the blood, where is that mercury coming from?" |
trotsky |
Feb-05-08 07:17 AM |
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More peer-reviewed study documentation and thousands of clinical cases at post 83, 85 |
philb |
Feb-05-08 10:05 PM |
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I took 5 minutes to look up the name of the first scientist listed in this study....... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-04-08 08:02 PM |
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So your perceived conflict of interest means |
cosmik debris |
Feb-04-08 09:14 PM |
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Only if the conflict of interest involves big pharma. |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 09:24 PM |
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No.... no.... but it is a MONSTROUS conflict of interest. The man obviously wants.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:11 PM |
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Are you saying that |
cosmik debris |
Feb-05-08 07:28 PM |
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They have cause to because of whom he works for. That's why conflicts of interest are bad..... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:36 PM |
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But you admit that there is no evidence of wrongdoing? |
cosmik debris |
Feb-05-08 07:39 PM |
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No, how could I say there's no evidence of wrongdoing? I haven't investigated it.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:41 PM |
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But conflict of interest does not mean that the data is corrupt |
cosmik debris |
Feb-05-08 07:47 PM |
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The manufacturer of the product in question performed his own study. nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:48 PM |
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The American Academy of Pediatrics didn't have a problem with it |
cosmik debris |
Feb-05-08 07:59 PM |
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The American Academy of Pediatrics is made up of doctors who have had no trouble throughout |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:04 PM |
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Ha! They're *all* in on the conspiracy, right? |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:05 PM |
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Nonononono. My nephew is a doctor. Doctors are like everyone..... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:10 PM |
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Way to change the subject. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:13 PM |
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Soooooooooooooooooooooooo.... what is your tremendous interest in defending this |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:16 PM |
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Way to change the subject again. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:29 PM |
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Broad brush smears are sooooo FUN! |
cosmik debris |
Feb-05-08 08:17 PM |
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That would be an ad hominem. |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 09:25 PM |
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The links are ad hominems? Is it an ad hominem that he admits he's hired by Thimerosal producers |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:13 PM |
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Attacking the person instead of the data/argument |
lizerdbits |
Feb-05-08 07:26 PM |
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Did I? I didn't say, "Dr. so and so is ugly and stupid", I said, "Dr so and so admitted he worked |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:34 PM |
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I believe that's what that poster meant |
lizerdbits |
Feb-05-08 07:42 PM |
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No, it qualifies. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 07:44 PM |
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I said there's a conflict of interest. It's the manufacturer testing his own product. nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:46 PM |
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What's the problem with the data or conclusions? |
lizerdbits |
Feb-05-08 07:55 PM |
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That the manufacturer has reasons to play with the results so he doesn't lose money on Thimerosal |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:58 PM |
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But that doesn't mean that they did. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 07:59 PM |
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It's illogical to TRUST any pharmaceutical company to run their own tests on their own already- |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:02 PM |
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Thimerosal is neither threatened nor troubled by the science |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:04 PM |
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Oh really? Well, I've been watching the articles that came out BEFORE Eli Stone, and afterwards.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:07 PM |
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? |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:09 PM |
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Well? What part do you play in all this? :-) You've peaked my interest. |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:14 PM |
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How am I defending it? |
lizerdbits |
Feb-05-08 08:25 PM |
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It is all about the people, not about the study |
cosmik debris |
Feb-05-08 08:30 PM |
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Does merely pointing out... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:33 PM |
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So what's the problem with the conclusions? |
lizerdbits |
Feb-05-08 08:06 PM |
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An ad hominem argument is where you attack the person presenting... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 07:43 PM |
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The manufacturer ran these studies for his own product.. nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:46 PM |
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There is, of course, a major difference between... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 07:58 PM |
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Oh yeah? What's the difference? That in one the CEO himself lies.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:00 PM |
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Do you actually have any evidence whatsoever of any wrong-doing? |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:02 PM |
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Yes. You mean, as in having to be arrested? I don't know. Are scientists who sell themselves out |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:06 PM |
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Oh, you do? Please then, share it with the class. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:07 PM |
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Share what? What exactly are you talking about? And by the way.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:11 PM |
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Forget what we were just talking about? |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:15 PM |
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But there's something even more interesting..... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:18 PM |
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I would say the more interesting thing... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:39 PM |
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Mr. Kool-Aid, you ask me to trust, but I'm very non-trusting, particularly of studies performed by |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 09:09 PM |
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I'm not asking you to trust. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 09:27 PM |
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And I'm saying that the probability that this dude was honest in his science is really low nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-06-08 06:51 PM |
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And I'm saying you have not even come close to proving your case. |
varkam |
Feb-06-08 09:12 PM |
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There is no case. A test performed by someone who has a bad reputation, is no test at all nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-06-08 09:18 PM |
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The validity of the test depends on your opinion of the tester? |
cosmik debris |
Feb-06-08 10:07 PM |
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What if I performed a test? How valid would it be? nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-07-08 06:52 PM |
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And you know nothing of the research... |
varkam |
Feb-06-08 11:51 PM |
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As long as it's the pharmaceutical company in question that is financing he test, it should be |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-07-08 06:53 PM |
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So you say. eom |
varkam |
Feb-07-08 08:06 PM |
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Where's my beemer?! |
lizerdbits |
Feb-05-08 08:08 PM |
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Don't you remember at the last Merckenary conference... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:11 PM |
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Oh now you're trying to make me seem like I said *ALL* scientists sell themselves to corporations |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:12 PM |
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No just being humorous |
lizerdbits |
Feb-05-08 08:14 PM |
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Humour is lost on this one. eom |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:26 PM |
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Peer-reviewed doc. showing clear causality in post 125 and 127, and not discredited |
philb |
Feb-10-08 02:26 PM |
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philb debunked right here |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 02:27 PM |
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Thanks for posting |
lizerdbits |
Feb-04-08 08:14 PM |
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Utterly demolishes what little semblance of an "argument" the anti-vax loonies had. |
trotsky |
Feb-04-08 09:38 PM |
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Another poorly done study by researchers not familair with mercury effects and the med. literature |
philb |
Feb-05-08 09:46 PM |
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You're citing parents' subjective ratings of improvement... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 09:51 PM |
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I cited peer-reviewed studies that clearly indicate this study is poorly done/bogus |
philb |
Feb-05-08 10:03 PM |
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You're changing the subject. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 10:11 PM |
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Same bogus shit over and over and over and over and over... |
cosmik debris |
Feb-06-08 08:06 AM |
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Its you who can't back up any of your claims; never cite any valid studies |
philb |
Feb-08-08 05:09 AM |
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No, it's you who never cites any VALID studies, Bernie/BernieJr. |
trotsky |
Feb-08-08 07:21 AM |
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Autoimmune Autism Linked to Thimerosal and Aluminum in Vaccines |
philb |
Feb-10-08 01:21 PM |
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You need to be familiar with these definitions. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 01:24 PM |
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We're very familiar with chemistry and the scientific method; seems that's more than for you |
philb |
Feb-10-08 01:44 PM |
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Your behavior is unhealthy. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 01:49 PM |
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Another causal mechanism of vaccine/metal caused neurological damage seen in autistic children |
philb |
Feb-10-08 01:29 PM |
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Same link, same obsession, same compulsion, get help. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 01:31 PM |
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Again you have't shown anything, and we know by now you apparently can't |
philb |
Feb-10-08 01:53 PM |
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You were caught red handed using a fake lab report. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 01:55 PM |
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What are you talking about? You are not talking about me. |
philb |
Feb-10-08 02:02 PM |
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I caught you red handed--a smoking gun |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 02:04 PM |
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Not true; your saying so doesn't make it so; |
philb |
Feb-10-08 02:19 PM |
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You're dodging because I caught you using fake documentation |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 02:24 PM |
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Absolutely not true. As I said, I have never deliberately tried to mislead anyone |
philb |
Feb-10-08 02:38 PM |
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BUSTED!!!!! |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 02:42 PM |
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I assume this is the same thing as I just explained in the previous post |
philb |
Feb-10-08 03:13 PM |
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You posted six bogus links |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 03:22 PM |
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Your post has no links so I have no clue what you are talking about |
philb |
Feb-10-08 05:02 PM |
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The links are yours, and they are BOGUS |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 05:05 PM |
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I looked; none of the links are bogus; some of the Gov't agency links have changed |
philb |
Feb-10-08 05:54 PM |
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You can not justify this fraud |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 06:59 PM |
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It does support my postion; the report has the DD reference Hg level for with and w/o amalgam |
philb |
Feb-10-08 09:20 PM |
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LOL! philb=fraud LOL! |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 09:27 PM |
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... |
xchrom |
Feb-10-08 08:19 AM |
#119 |