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Tue Feb-05-08 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #65 |
| 72. Humour is lost on this one. eom |
| -Neurologica: Mercury Excretion in Infants |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 07:40 PM |
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Great article! |
cosmik debris |
Feb-04-08 07:55 PM |
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more junk science |
jeanruss |
Feb-04-08 08:19 PM |
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So you believe the shills peddling chelation therapy? |
cosmik debris |
Feb-04-08 08:57 PM |
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no mercury |
jeanruss |
Feb-04-08 09:19 PM |
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Of course the rate of serious adverse reactions to Gardasil... |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 09:26 PM |
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WOW! You sure changed the subject fast! |
cosmik debris |
Feb-04-08 09:30 PM |
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Studies in the med. lit. have documented the mechanisms of vaccines/mercury causing autism -documen |
philb |
Feb-05-08 10:47 PM |
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same bogus links over and over and over and over and over ... |
cosmik debris |
Feb-06-08 07:44 AM |
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Vaccine induces Demyelination & Autoimmunity a documented cause of autism- detailed doc. |
philb |
Feb-05-08 11:09 PM |
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I know that issues of citations are completely lost on you, but... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 11:35 PM |
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Do you have ANY links or cites WHATSOEVER... |
trotsky |
Feb-04-08 09:39 PM |
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I think you've been dealing with Mr. Cites a bit too much lately. |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 09:40 PM |
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That study poorly done/bogus documented by peer-reviewed studies in post 83, 85 |
philb |
Feb-05-08 10:14 PM |
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Additional support by the tests and experience of treatment clinics and the ARI parent survey of tho |
philb |
Feb-05-08 10:19 PM |
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For Christ's Sake |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 10:44 PM |
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Documented mechanism by which mercury/thimerosl causes schizophrenic behavior in autism/schizophreni |
philb |
Feb-05-08 11:02 PM |
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Like I said |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 11:31 PM |
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This is what you call a peer reviewed study?? |
cosmik debris |
Feb-06-08 08:13 AM |
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Your sources stink. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-06-08 07:47 AM |
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You are wrong; anyone can check that my sources are peer-reviewed and have not been discredited by |
philb |
Feb-10-08 01:04 PM |
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I checked your links-- they are bullshit |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 01:05 PM |
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I don't know what links you are talking about, but I cited hundreds of peer-reviewed studies |
philb |
Feb-10-08 01:16 PM |
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I picked six links that you cited. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 01:18 PM |
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Just not true as anyone who follows the trail can see. All statements and references are accurate |
philb |
Feb-10-08 11:01 PM |
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Who will believe your fake lab report for Mrs. Sample Patient |
cosmik debris |
Feb-11-08 08:51 AM |
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Large independent survey finds link between Autism and ADHD with vaccination |
philb |
Feb-10-08 01:18 PM |
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Another step into the hole for philb. |
chicagomd |
Feb-10-08 03:00 PM |
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The huge Autism Association/ARI survey of thousands of parents is clear documentation; plus ... |
philb |
Feb-05-08 11:24 PM |
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Bernie! A SURVEY IS NOT SOUND EPIDEMOLOGICAL EVIDENCE! |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 11:37 PM |
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Autism Association is NOT a reliable source. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-06-08 07:52 AM |
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The best evidence the antivax hysterics could possibly present |
Warpy |
Feb-07-08 11:36 PM |
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Public policy? Breakthroughs? |
varkam |
Feb-08-08 03:41 AM |
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Sweet, delicious irony. |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 09:34 PM |
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It is just easier to ignore facts that don't fit. n/t |
cosmik debris |
Feb-04-08 09:40 PM |
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Yeah, but these facts were in the damn abstract. |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 09:41 PM |
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I didn't have any trouble, but then |
cosmik debris |
Feb-04-08 09:49 PM |
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You've supplied not a single valid study, all have been demonstrated poorly done, wrong |
philb |
Feb-05-08 10:28 PM |
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Don't need to. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-06-08 07:59 AM |
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the study |
itsjustme |
Feb-04-08 10:42 PM |
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From the OP: |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 11:07 PM |
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I don't think you can reach that conclusion |
itsjustme |
Feb-04-08 11:24 PM |
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But the data doesn't exactly warrant that conclusion. |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 11:30 PM |
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nothing about any of this is conclusive |
itsjustme |
Feb-04-08 11:43 PM |
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Also, note that there is a smaller N... |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 11:45 PM |
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a "lot" |
itsjustme |
Feb-05-08 07:46 AM |
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Like I wrote... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 07:37 PM |
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well if it isn't a lot |
itsjustme |
Feb-05-08 08:33 PM |
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That's why the study's authors discussed the need for follow-up research |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:34 PM |
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I understand |
itsjustme |
Feb-05-08 09:29 PM |
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That's pretty much the exact opposite conclusion that the scientists came to... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 09:38 PM |
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No credible studies support your claims; thats been clearly demonstrated |
philb |
Feb-05-08 10:57 PM |
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I'm not claiming anything, Bernie. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 11:31 PM |
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"If mercury is no longer in the blood, where is that mercury coming from?" |
trotsky |
Feb-05-08 07:17 AM |
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More peer-reviewed study documentation and thousands of clinical cases at post 83, 85 |
philb |
Feb-05-08 10:05 PM |
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I took 5 minutes to look up the name of the first scientist listed in this study....... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-04-08 08:02 PM |
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So your perceived conflict of interest means |
cosmik debris |
Feb-04-08 09:14 PM |
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Only if the conflict of interest involves big pharma. |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 09:24 PM |
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No.... no.... but it is a MONSTROUS conflict of interest. The man obviously wants.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:11 PM |
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Are you saying that |
cosmik debris |
Feb-05-08 07:28 PM |
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They have cause to because of whom he works for. That's why conflicts of interest are bad..... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:36 PM |
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But you admit that there is no evidence of wrongdoing? |
cosmik debris |
Feb-05-08 07:39 PM |
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No, how could I say there's no evidence of wrongdoing? I haven't investigated it.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:41 PM |
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But conflict of interest does not mean that the data is corrupt |
cosmik debris |
Feb-05-08 07:47 PM |
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The manufacturer of the product in question performed his own study. nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:48 PM |
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The American Academy of Pediatrics didn't have a problem with it |
cosmik debris |
Feb-05-08 07:59 PM |
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The American Academy of Pediatrics is made up of doctors who have had no trouble throughout |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:04 PM |
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Ha! They're *all* in on the conspiracy, right? |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:05 PM |
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Nonononono. My nephew is a doctor. Doctors are like everyone..... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:10 PM |
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Way to change the subject. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:13 PM |
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Soooooooooooooooooooooooo.... what is your tremendous interest in defending this |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:16 PM |
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Way to change the subject again. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:29 PM |
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Broad brush smears are sooooo FUN! |
cosmik debris |
Feb-05-08 08:17 PM |
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That would be an ad hominem. |
varkam |
Feb-04-08 09:25 PM |
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The links are ad hominems? Is it an ad hominem that he admits he's hired by Thimerosal producers |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:13 PM |
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Attacking the person instead of the data/argument |
lizerdbits |
Feb-05-08 07:26 PM |
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Did I? I didn't say, "Dr. so and so is ugly and stupid", I said, "Dr so and so admitted he worked |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:34 PM |
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I believe that's what that poster meant |
lizerdbits |
Feb-05-08 07:42 PM |
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No, it qualifies. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 07:44 PM |
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I said there's a conflict of interest. It's the manufacturer testing his own product. nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:46 PM |
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What's the problem with the data or conclusions? |
lizerdbits |
Feb-05-08 07:55 PM |
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That the manufacturer has reasons to play with the results so he doesn't lose money on Thimerosal |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:58 PM |
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But that doesn't mean that they did. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 07:59 PM |
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It's illogical to TRUST any pharmaceutical company to run their own tests on their own already- |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:02 PM |
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Thimerosal is neither threatened nor troubled by the science |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:04 PM |
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Oh really? Well, I've been watching the articles that came out BEFORE Eli Stone, and afterwards.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:07 PM |
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? |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:09 PM |
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Well? What part do you play in all this? :-) You've peaked my interest. |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:14 PM |
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How am I defending it? |
lizerdbits |
Feb-05-08 08:25 PM |
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It is all about the people, not about the study |
cosmik debris |
Feb-05-08 08:30 PM |
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Does merely pointing out... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:33 PM |
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So what's the problem with the conclusions? |
lizerdbits |
Feb-05-08 08:06 PM |
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An ad hominem argument is where you attack the person presenting... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 07:43 PM |
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The manufacturer ran these studies for his own product.. nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 07:46 PM |
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There is, of course, a major difference between... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 07:58 PM |
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Oh yeah? What's the difference? That in one the CEO himself lies.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:00 PM |
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Do you actually have any evidence whatsoever of any wrong-doing? |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:02 PM |
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Yes. You mean, as in having to be arrested? I don't know. Are scientists who sell themselves out |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:06 PM |
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Oh, you do? Please then, share it with the class. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:07 PM |
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Share what? What exactly are you talking about? And by the way.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:11 PM |
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Forget what we were just talking about? |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:15 PM |
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But there's something even more interesting..... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:18 PM |
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I would say the more interesting thing... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:39 PM |
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Mr. Kool-Aid, you ask me to trust, but I'm very non-trusting, particularly of studies performed by |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 09:09 PM |
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I'm not asking you to trust. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 09:27 PM |
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And I'm saying that the probability that this dude was honest in his science is really low nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-06-08 06:51 PM |
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And I'm saying you have not even come close to proving your case. |
varkam |
Feb-06-08 09:12 PM |
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There is no case. A test performed by someone who has a bad reputation, is no test at all nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-06-08 09:18 PM |
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The validity of the test depends on your opinion of the tester? |
cosmik debris |
Feb-06-08 10:07 PM |
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What if I performed a test? How valid would it be? nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-07-08 06:52 PM |
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And you know nothing of the research... |
varkam |
Feb-06-08 11:51 PM |
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As long as it's the pharmaceutical company in question that is financing he test, it should be |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-07-08 06:53 PM |
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So you say. eom |
varkam |
Feb-07-08 08:06 PM |
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Where's my beemer?! |
lizerdbits |
Feb-05-08 08:08 PM |
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Don't you remember at the last Merckenary conference... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:11 PM |
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Oh now you're trying to make me seem like I said *ALL* scientists sell themselves to corporations |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-08 08:12 PM |
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No just being humorous |
lizerdbits |
Feb-05-08 08:14 PM |
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Humour is lost on this one. eom |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 08:26 PM |
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Peer-reviewed doc. showing clear causality in post 125 and 127, and not discredited |
philb |
Feb-10-08 02:26 PM |
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philb debunked right here |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 02:27 PM |
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Thanks for posting |
lizerdbits |
Feb-04-08 08:14 PM |
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Utterly demolishes what little semblance of an "argument" the anti-vax loonies had. |
trotsky |
Feb-04-08 09:38 PM |
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Another poorly done study by researchers not familair with mercury effects and the med. literature |
philb |
Feb-05-08 09:46 PM |
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You're citing parents' subjective ratings of improvement... |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 09:51 PM |
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I cited peer-reviewed studies that clearly indicate this study is poorly done/bogus |
philb |
Feb-05-08 10:03 PM |
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You're changing the subject. |
varkam |
Feb-05-08 10:11 PM |
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Same bogus shit over and over and over and over and over... |
cosmik debris |
Feb-06-08 08:06 AM |
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Its you who can't back up any of your claims; never cite any valid studies |
philb |
Feb-08-08 05:09 AM |
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No, it's you who never cites any VALID studies, Bernie/BernieJr. |
trotsky |
Feb-08-08 07:21 AM |
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Autoimmune Autism Linked to Thimerosal and Aluminum in Vaccines |
philb |
Feb-10-08 01:21 PM |
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You need to be familiar with these definitions. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 01:24 PM |
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We're very familiar with chemistry and the scientific method; seems that's more than for you |
philb |
Feb-10-08 01:44 PM |
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Your behavior is unhealthy. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 01:49 PM |
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Another causal mechanism of vaccine/metal caused neurological damage seen in autistic children |
philb |
Feb-10-08 01:29 PM |
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Same link, same obsession, same compulsion, get help. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 01:31 PM |
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Again you have't shown anything, and we know by now you apparently can't |
philb |
Feb-10-08 01:53 PM |
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You were caught red handed using a fake lab report. |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 01:55 PM |
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What are you talking about? You are not talking about me. |
philb |
Feb-10-08 02:02 PM |
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I caught you red handed--a smoking gun |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 02:04 PM |
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Not true; your saying so doesn't make it so; |
philb |
Feb-10-08 02:19 PM |
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You're dodging because I caught you using fake documentation |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 02:24 PM |
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Absolutely not true. As I said, I have never deliberately tried to mislead anyone |
philb |
Feb-10-08 02:38 PM |
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BUSTED!!!!! |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 02:42 PM |
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I assume this is the same thing as I just explained in the previous post |
philb |
Feb-10-08 03:13 PM |
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You posted six bogus links |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 03:22 PM |
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Your post has no links so I have no clue what you are talking about |
philb |
Feb-10-08 05:02 PM |
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The links are yours, and they are BOGUS |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 05:05 PM |
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I looked; none of the links are bogus; some of the Gov't agency links have changed |
philb |
Feb-10-08 05:54 PM |
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You can not justify this fraud |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 06:59 PM |
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It does support my postion; the report has the DD reference Hg level for with and w/o amalgam |
philb |
Feb-10-08 09:20 PM |
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LOL! philb=fraud LOL! |
cosmik debris |
Feb-10-08 09:27 PM |
#149 |
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... |
xchrom |
Feb-10-08 08:19 AM |
#119 |
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