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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 03:05 AM
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"the message needs to be broadcast that alternative medicine is a colossal waste of money"
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IT IS, you might suppose, always good to have an alternative. In medicine, though, that is a controversial proposition. Alternative and complementary medicine are mostly quackery. Yet they are very popular. Clearly, they have something that mainstream medicine does not. The question is, what?

A few treatments (mostly herbs containing active drug molecules) do have proven benefits. A few others look worthy of further investigation. But from acupuncture, via homeopathy, to “quantum healing”, the vast majority, some 95%, offer nothing more than the placebo effect—the strange and inadequately explained tendency of certain medical conditions to respond to anything the patient thinks is directed at treating them, even when the treatment in question could not possibly have a direct effect on the disease.

It is thus a great pity that Edzard Ernst, the first professor of alternative medicine (that is, real scientific professor) and the man who demonstrated that 95% of the industry was hokum, is about to retire early (see article). It is an even greater pity that funding to his department at Britain’s Exeter University looks likely to be cut. For the message needs to be broadcast that alternative medicine is a colossal waste of money. Globally, the industry is estimated to be worth some $60 billion a year. That is a lot to pay for placebos.

http://www.economist.com/node/18712290?story_id=1871229...
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  -"the message needs to be broadcast that alternative medicine is a colossal waste of money" FLAprogressive  May-20-11 03:05 AM   #0 
  - I am quite skeptical, but had one acupuncture treatment that  JDPriestly   May-20-11 03:11 AM   #1 
  - That's funny. I remember when folic acid, for example,  pnwmom   May-20-11 03:11 AM   #2 
  - Using aloe vera for sunburns (or anything) was also considered "woo"  WolverineDG   May-20-11 12:08 PM   #15 
  - A stopped clock is right twice a day. nt  Confusious   May-20-11 08:44 PM   #44 
  - I just don't buy it. Our ancestors used alternative medicine.  sunwyn   May-20-11 04:05 AM   #3 
  - Are you kidding me? Our ancestors had considerably shorter lifespans....  FLAprogressive   May-20-11 04:06 AM   #4 
     - well alternative medicine won't help you stop the plague, but it can help with  ejpoeta   May-20-11 05:02 AM   #5 
     - We used what is classified as "alternative" for thousands of years  Confusious   May-20-11 08:46 PM   #45 
     - Of course they did....but for someone to say that alternative medicine has no use...well, I think  sunwyn   May-20-11 05:22 AM   #6 
  - of course it's bad - pharma doesn't get their cut  alc   May-20-11 06:11 AM   #7 
  - "the kids may want to run around at recess without that"  Celebration   May-20-11 09:57 AM   #11 
  - Most back surgery is alternative medicine.  postulater   May-20-11 07:37 AM   #8 
  - the appeal is that you don't have to go to the doctor.  mopinko   May-20-11 09:45 AM   #9 
  - You can waste one hell of a lot of money with conventional medicine too.  bemildred   May-20-11 09:53 AM   #10 
  - Here's the thing, too  Celebration   May-20-11 10:00 AM   #12 
  - Wrong.  trotsky   May-20-11 12:50 PM   #16 
     - Your views are outdated. There IS such a thing as alternative, "evidence based medicine."  pnwmom   May-20-11 01:12 PM   #17 
     - Bastyr is a bastion of bullshit!  laconicsax   May-20-11 01:54 PM   #18 
     - Link, please? n/t  pnwmom   May-20-11 02:18 PM   #22 
        - It's all on their site.  laconicsax   May-20-11 02:55 PM   #27 
           - No, it's not. Which is why you haven't provided a more specific link. n/t  pnwmom   May-20-11 03:04 PM   #29 
              - speaking of red herrings  Celebration   May-20-11 03:30 PM   #31 
              - +1  BuddhaGirl   May-21-11 12:17 PM   #52 
              - LOL!  laconicsax   May-21-11 04:22 PM   #53 
              - Ok, I'll read it to you.  laconicsax   May-20-11 04:57 PM   #34 
                 - Right, there are no courses in Tarot cards taught by Bastyr  pnwmom   May-20-11 06:19 PM   #35 
                    - *yawn*  laconicsax   May-20-11 06:32 PM   #37 
                       - Ah, yes, another American exceptionalist. n/t  pnwmom   May-20-11 06:33 PM   #38 
                          - ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ  laconicsax   May-20-11 06:53 PM   #41 
     - Not interested in your red herring right now.  trotsky   May-20-11 01:59 PM   #19 
     - Of course! Pursuing ANY treatment that doesn't work, whether alternative or conventional,  pnwmom   May-20-11 02:15 PM   #21 
        - Thanks for agreeing with me. n/t  trotsky   May-20-11 02:19 PM   #23 
        - Thanks for agreeing with me. Obviously it is better to first use the most effective  pnwmom   May-20-11 02:21 PM   #24 
           - Not addressing your red herring.  trotsky   May-20-11 02:50 PM   #26 
              - You never said THIS was a red herring. To the contrary,  pnwmom   May-20-11 03:03 PM   #28 
                 - Have fun!  trotsky   May-20-11 03:48 PM   #32 
        - A stopped clock is right twice a day.  Confusious   May-20-11 08:52 PM   #46 
     - Bastyr does teach some good things but unfortunately too many who graduate from there turn out to be  uppityperson   May-20-11 06:45 PM   #40 
        - You know the real irony?  laconicsax   May-20-11 09:42 PM   #47 
     - I assume you have evidence of this  Celebration   May-20-11 04:00 PM   #33 
  - I did. I had almost a decade's worth of visits, tests, and treatments  pnwmom   May-20-11 06:23 PM   #36 
  - That's what I mean.  bemildred   May-20-11 07:45 PM   #43 
  - It is funny how a "G.I. specialist" figured out what was wrong and what to do about it, considering  uppityperson   May-20-11 11:12 PM   #48 
     - That's because I only ever went to regular medical doctors.  pnwmom   May-21-11 12:00 AM   #49 
  - I had a quack try to take me to the cleaners. Sorry but no, I don't need a thousand dollars of  uppityperson   May-20-11 06:43 PM   #39 
     - There's a lot of crap and utter horseshit out there, no doubt about it. nt  bemildred   May-20-11 07:36 PM   #42 
     - I've never gone to a quack. Where did you find yours and why did you go there? n/t  pnwmom   May-21-11 12:05 AM   #50 
        - He is a naturopath specializing in thyroid issues.  uppityperson   May-21-11 05:24 PM   #54 
  - Mainstream medicine, on the other hand,....  CanSocDem   May-20-11 10:51 AM   #13 
  - I have to say that one sentence annoys me:  bemildred   May-20-11 11:06 AM   #14 
     - Indeed.  CanSocDem   May-20-11 02:10 PM   #20 
  - So many strawmen, one thread. What a surprise. No one can defend "alt med." without bringing up the  FLAprogressive   May-20-11 02:32 PM   #25 
  - Clearly you missed this.  pnwmom   May-20-11 03:05 PM   #30 
  - The OP painted the topic with a pretty broad brush.  astral   May-21-11 09:18 AM   #51 
  - As someone who worked in "mainstream" medicine for  Philippine expat   May-21-11 08:52 PM   #55 
  - Totally!  laconicsax   May-21-11 11:18 PM   #56 
     - Totally  Philippine expat   May-22-11 10:35 AM   #57 
        - Are you saying that CAM doesn't treat those conditions?  laconicsax   May-22-11 02:13 PM   #58 
  - And of course, main stream conventional  SheilaT   May-22-11 06:15 PM   #59 
  - I think there's something to be said for trying to harness the placebo effect.  Crunchy Frog   May-22-11 09:32 PM   #60 
 

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