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Sun Feb-13-11 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #48 |
| 52. So now you're comparing acupuncture to waterboarding. |
| -Be Wary of Acupuncture, Qigong, and "Traditional Chinese Medicine" |
FLAprogressive |
Feb-13-11 12:46 AM |
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Seriously? Acupuncture? I wonder what drug company/ies are behind Quack Watch? |
gateley |
Feb-13-11 12:48 AM |
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Feb-13-11 12:52 AM |
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It is still on their list.... |
ingac70 |
Feb-13-11 12:55 AM |
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Actual science rejects the idea that chiropractic causes magical healing by correcting subluxations |
Orrex |
Feb-13-11 12:59 AM |
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When I was 2, I was dropped on my head..a teenager was |
shraby |
Feb-13-11 01:07 AM |
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You know, you might have simply grown out of it |
Orrex |
Feb-13-11 08:00 AM |
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The regular doc was pretty sure that it was permanent. |
shraby |
Feb-13-11 07:48 PM |
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All right... |
Orrex |
Feb-13-11 09:08 PM |
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The doc was a big old burly man..I went long enough to |
shraby |
Feb-13-11 09:17 PM |
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Chiropractors are good for a number of conditions. But they are not good for many more |
uppityperson |
Feb-14-11 02:40 PM |
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Then why do insurance companies cover it? Why do MD's and DO's refer patients |
gateley |
Feb-13-11 01:10 AM |
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They sure as hell don't cover it for its alleged magical healing powers |
Orrex |
Feb-13-11 07:56 AM |
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There will never be enough "proof" for them nt |
WolverineDG |
Feb-13-11 10:30 AM |
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I know. It must be miserable having such a closed, inflexible mind. |
gateley |
Feb-13-11 10:43 AM |
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Open-mindedness... |
HuckleB |
Feb-13-11 10:44 AM |
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Contrast that with people for whom no proof is necessary |
Orrex |
Feb-13-11 01:59 PM |
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Brilliant post. |
trotsky |
Feb-13-11 02:14 PM |
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Well, by continually dismissing posts of those who have benefited from visiting a chiro |
WolverineDG |
Feb-13-11 03:54 PM |
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"science worshippers"... |
SDuderstadt |
Feb-13-11 04:41 PM |
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No, you are misrepresenting my posts |
Orrex |
Feb-13-11 04:44 PM |
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"People for whom no proof is necessary" |
WolverineDG |
Feb-13-11 10:49 PM |
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Um, no. I just reviewed my first reply in this thread. And my second. And my third. And so on. |
Orrex |
Feb-14-11 07:03 AM |
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Me me! I'm a "science worshipper" indeed. If it can be proven scientifically, it shows proof. |
uppityperson |
Feb-14-11 02:44 PM |
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+1...nt |
SidDithers |
Feb-14-11 09:31 AM |
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magical healing? No. Serious pain relief? Hell yes. n/t |
ingac70 |
Feb-13-11 01:15 AM |
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I am not a fan of quackery |
Confusious |
Feb-13-11 04:04 AM |
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There are some |
Dorian Gray |
Feb-13-11 11:37 AM |
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Not surprised. Maybe because they can't prescribe drugs? nt |
gateley |
Feb-13-11 01:13 AM |
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Chiropractic Vertebral Subluxations: Science vs. Pseudoscience |
HuckleB |
Feb-13-11 10:14 AM |
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What's needling you about it. |
Wilms |
Feb-13-11 12:54 AM |
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Acupuncture helped my 87 yr. old mother with her back problems. It totally works. |
glinda |
Feb-13-11 01:01 AM |
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You could have helped her equally well without paying a magician. n/t |
laconicsax |
Feb-13-11 01:56 AM |
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Recent study in Germany with another Country has proven that acupuncture actually |
glinda |
Feb-13-11 10:33 AM |
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All that study shows is that the brain notices when the body is poked. |
HuckleB |
Feb-13-11 10:44 AM |
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They tested it without acupuncture for pain response in brain. If it works fine. |
glinda |
Feb-13-11 01:20 PM |
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It's not that I think it's bunk. |
HuckleB |
Feb-13-11 04:10 PM |
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Acupuncture works wonders. |
madfloridian |
Feb-13-11 01:05 AM |
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The results are unrelated to the method used. |
laconicsax |
Feb-13-11 01:55 AM |
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Duke University researchers say acupuncture reduces the pain of surgery. |
pnwmom |
Feb-13-11 02:04 AM |
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That doesn't address what I said. |
laconicsax |
Feb-13-11 02:18 AM |
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Many medical procedures -- particularly old ones -- are used on the basis of results. |
pnwmom |
Feb-13-11 02:28 AM |
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That's the thing--we do know why, and it has nothing to do with the method. |
laconicsax |
Feb-13-11 02:48 AM |
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That is just not true. |
madfloridian |
Feb-13-11 10:59 AM |
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You completely missed the point. |
laconicsax |
Feb-13-11 03:45 PM |
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I agree. |
Rhiannon12866 |
Feb-13-11 02:00 AM |
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No, it doesn't. |
HuckleB |
Feb-13-11 11:07 AM |
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Just because it's bullshit? |
laconicsax |
Feb-13-11 01:48 AM |
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UCSF doctors say acupuncture with massage reduces pain after cancer surgery. |
pnwmom |
Feb-13-11 02:09 AM |
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Results vs. method. |
laconicsax |
Feb-13-11 02:23 AM |
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So sticking needles in has a "pain mitigating effect" even according to you. |
pnwmom |
Feb-13-11 02:37 AM |
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No, but it does make it fraudulent. |
laconicsax |
Feb-13-11 02:55 AM |
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I pay for results |
Flo Mingo |
Feb-13-11 06:27 AM |
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The results are unrelated to the method used in acupuncture. |
laconicsax |
Feb-13-11 03:52 PM |
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The MD's who are studying it and even using it don't consider it fraudulent. |
pnwmom |
Feb-13-11 12:31 PM |
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And some people don't consider waterboarding to be torture. |
laconicsax |
Feb-13-11 04:12 PM |
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So now you're comparing acupuncture to waterboarding. |
pnwmom |
Feb-13-11 05:02 PM |
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No, I'm comparing opinion to opinion. |
laconicsax |
Feb-13-11 05:35 PM |
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There have been plenty of scientific studies showing acupuncture works. |
pnwmom |
Feb-13-11 07:02 PM |
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You would almost seem to be intentionally missing the point. |
trotsky |
Feb-13-11 08:19 PM |
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You are sticking your nose in here without reading all the previous posts. |
pnwmom |
Feb-13-11 09:56 PM |
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Nope, I'm just understanding what is being said. |
trotsky |
Feb-14-11 06:20 AM |
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Let's try a simple analogy: |
laconicsax |
Feb-13-11 08:56 PM |
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All the analogies in the world won't change the fact |
pnwmom |
Feb-13-11 10:50 PM |
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I'm sure the Society for Acupuncture Research is completely impartial. |
laconicsax |
Feb-13-11 11:28 PM |
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The authors of the paper are medical professionals |
pnwmom |
Feb-13-11 11:38 PM |
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So obviously the Society for Acupuncture Research has no interest in the outcome of the research. |
laconicsax |
Feb-14-11 12:39 AM |
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Since when are serious medical researchers limited to those with no interest |
pnwmom |
Feb-14-11 04:35 AM |
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Are you seriously going to argue that conflict of interest is no big deal? |
laconicsax |
Feb-14-11 04:43 AM |
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Those are medical researchers at well-respected institutions. |
pnwmom |
Feb-14-11 03:50 PM |
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Society for Acupuncture Research. |
laconicsax |
Feb-14-11 04:17 PM |
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You're quibbling with the journal that published the research. |
pnwmom |
Feb-14-11 04:41 PM |
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Well, let's see...they're selling something based on lies, so yeah. It's fraud. |
laconicsax |
Feb-14-11 06:56 PM |
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Now you're comparing accupuncture proponents to Birthers?... |
SidDithers |
Feb-14-11 09:36 AM |
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We should construct some sort of continuum of... |
SDuderstadt |
Feb-14-11 09:41 AM |
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Pshaw. They're tame compared to the 'lizard people' people. |
laconicsax |
Feb-14-11 02:07 PM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Feb-13-11 03:39 AM |
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Be wary of Stephen Barrett |
BuddhaGirl |
Feb-13-11 01:20 PM |
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"Barrett could NOT pass the examinations necessary to become "Board Certified."" |
ingac70 |
Feb-13-11 02:34 PM |
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Traditional Chinese Medicine = You Support Poachers. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-13-11 04:40 PM |
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Pharmaceutical drugs - you support animal testing. |
BuddhaGirl |
Feb-13-11 05:22 PM |
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Animal testing isn't driving species extinct. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-13-11 08:41 PM |
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*psst* |
laconicsax |
Feb-13-11 09:16 PM |
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LULZ! |
Odin2005 |
Feb-13-11 09:17 PM |
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If you can come up with an eco-friendly way for me to sell powdered rhino horn, I'm all ears |
Orrex |
Feb-13-11 09:03 PM |
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Exactly. Black bears get slaughtered so assholes can treat their hemorrhoids |
snagglepuss |
Feb-14-11 02:51 AM |
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Better question: |
laconicsax |
Feb-14-11 04:32 AM |
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Be wary of ANY medicine |
uppityperson |
Feb-14-11 02:51 PM |
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Personally... |
CanSocDem |
Feb-14-11 04:14 PM |
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Aren't those the things that you insert in... |
Orrex |
Feb-14-11 10:54 PM |
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