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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 12:48 AM
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1. Seriously? Acupuncture? I wonder what drug company/ies are behind Quack Watch?
Have they ever endorsed any approach that wasn't AMA=endorsed? I wonder if not too many years ago they would have had "chiropractic" on their list.
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  -Be Wary of Acupuncture, Qigong, and "Traditional Chinese Medicine" FLAprogressive  Feb-13-11 12:46 AM   #0 
  - Seriously? Acupuncture? I wonder what drug company/ies are behind Quack Watch?  gateley   Feb-13-11 12:48 AM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-13-11 12:52 AM   #2 
  - It is still on their list....  ingac70   Feb-13-11 12:55 AM   #4 
  - Actual science rejects the idea that chiropractic causes magical healing by correcting subluxations  Orrex   Feb-13-11 12:59 AM   #5 
  - When I was 2, I was dropped on my head..a teenager was  shraby   Feb-13-11 01:07 AM   #8 
  - You know, you might have simply grown out of it  Orrex   Feb-13-11 08:00 AM   #28 
  - The regular doc was pretty sure that it was permanent.  shraby   Feb-13-11 07:48 PM   #56 
     - All right...  Orrex   Feb-13-11 09:08 PM   #61 
        - The doc was a big old burly man..I went long enough to  shraby   Feb-13-11 09:17 PM   #63 
  - Chiropractors are good for a number of conditions. But they are not good for many more  uppityperson   Feb-14-11 02:40 PM   #81 
  - Then why do insurance companies cover it? Why do MD's and DO's refer patients  gateley   Feb-13-11 01:10 AM   #9 
  - They sure as hell don't cover it for its alleged magical healing powers  Orrex   Feb-13-11 07:56 AM   #27 
  - There will never be enough "proof" for them nt  WolverineDG   Feb-13-11 10:30 AM   #30 
     - I know. It must be miserable having such a closed, inflexible mind.  gateley   Feb-13-11 10:43 AM   #32 
     - Open-mindedness...  HuckleB   Feb-13-11 10:44 AM   #34 
     - Contrast that with people for whom no proof is necessary  Orrex   Feb-13-11 01:59 PM   #41 
        - Brilliant post.  trotsky   Feb-13-11 02:14 PM   #42 
        - Well, by continually dismissing posts of those who have benefited from visiting a chiro  WolverineDG   Feb-13-11 03:54 PM   #46 
        - "science worshippers"...  SDuderstadt   Feb-13-11 04:41 PM   #50 
        - No, you are misrepresenting my posts  Orrex   Feb-13-11 04:44 PM   #51 
        - "People for whom no proof is necessary"  WolverineDG   Feb-13-11 10:49 PM   #66 
           - Um, no. I just reviewed my first reply in this thread. And my second. And my third. And so on.  Orrex   Feb-14-11 07:03 AM   #76 
        - Me me! I'm a "science worshipper" indeed. If it can be proven scientifically, it shows proof.  uppityperson   Feb-14-11 02:44 PM   #82 
        - +1...nt  SidDithers   Feb-14-11 09:31 AM   #77 
  - magical healing? No. Serious pain relief? Hell yes. n/t  ingac70   Feb-13-11 01:15 AM   #11 
  - I am not a fan of quackery  Confusious   Feb-13-11 04:04 AM   #25 
     - There are some  Dorian Gray   Feb-13-11 11:37 AM   #37 
  - Not surprised. Maybe because they can't prescribe drugs? nt  gateley   Feb-13-11 01:13 AM   #10 
  - Chiropractic Vertebral Subluxations: Science vs. Pseudoscience  HuckleB   Feb-13-11 10:14 AM   #29 
  - What's needling you about it.  Wilms   Feb-13-11 12:54 AM   #3 
  - Acupuncture helped my 87 yr. old mother with her back problems. It totally works.  glinda   Feb-13-11 01:01 AM   #6 
  - You could have helped her equally well without paying a magician. n/t  laconicsax   Feb-13-11 01:56 AM   #14 
     - Recent study in Germany with another Country has proven that acupuncture actually  glinda   Feb-13-11 10:33 AM   #31 
        - All that study shows is that the brain notices when the body is poked.  HuckleB   Feb-13-11 10:44 AM   #33 
           - They tested it without acupuncture for pain response in brain. If it works fine.  glinda   Feb-13-11 01:20 PM   #40 
              - It's not that I think it's bunk.  HuckleB   Feb-13-11 04:10 PM   #47 
  - Acupuncture works wonders.  madfloridian   Feb-13-11 01:05 AM   #7 
  - The results are unrelated to the method used.  laconicsax   Feb-13-11 01:55 AM   #13 
  - Duke University researchers say acupuncture reduces the pain of surgery.  pnwmom   Feb-13-11 02:04 AM   #16 
  - That doesn't address what I said.  laconicsax   Feb-13-11 02:18 AM   #18 
     - Many medical procedures -- particularly old ones -- are used on the basis of results.  pnwmom   Feb-13-11 02:28 AM   #20 
        - That's the thing--we do know why, and it has nothing to do with the method.  laconicsax   Feb-13-11 02:48 AM   #22 
  - That is just not true.  madfloridian   Feb-13-11 10:59 AM   #35 
     - You completely missed the point.  laconicsax   Feb-13-11 03:45 PM   #44 
  - I agree.  Rhiannon12866   Feb-13-11 02:00 AM   #15 
  - No, it doesn't.  HuckleB   Feb-13-11 11:07 AM   #36 
  - Just because it's bullshit?  laconicsax   Feb-13-11 01:48 AM   #12 
  - UCSF doctors say acupuncture with massage reduces pain after cancer surgery.  pnwmom   Feb-13-11 02:09 AM   #17 
     - Results vs. method.  laconicsax   Feb-13-11 02:23 AM   #19 
        - So sticking needles in has a "pain mitigating effect" even according to you.  pnwmom   Feb-13-11 02:37 AM   #21 
           - No, but it does make it fraudulent.  laconicsax   Feb-13-11 02:55 AM   #23 
              - I pay for results  Flo Mingo   Feb-13-11 06:27 AM   #26 
              - The results are unrelated to the method used in acupuncture.  laconicsax   Feb-13-11 03:52 PM   #45 
              - The MD's who are studying it and even using it don't consider it fraudulent.  pnwmom   Feb-13-11 12:31 PM   #38 
                 - And some people don't consider waterboarding to be torture.  laconicsax   Feb-13-11 04:12 PM   #48 
                    - So now you're comparing acupuncture to waterboarding.  pnwmom   Feb-13-11 05:02 PM   #52 
                       - No, I'm comparing opinion to opinion.  laconicsax   Feb-13-11 05:35 PM   #54 
                          - There have been plenty of scientific studies showing acupuncture works.  pnwmom   Feb-13-11 07:02 PM   #55 
                          - You would almost seem to be intentionally missing the point.  trotsky   Feb-13-11 08:19 PM   #57 
                          - You are sticking your nose in here without reading all the previous posts.  pnwmom   Feb-13-11 09:56 PM   #65 
                             - Nope, I'm just understanding what is being said.  trotsky   Feb-14-11 06:20 AM   #75 
                          - Let's try a simple analogy:  laconicsax   Feb-13-11 08:56 PM   #59 
                             - All the analogies in the world won't change the fact  pnwmom   Feb-13-11 10:50 PM   #67 
                                - I'm sure the Society for Acupuncture Research is completely impartial.  laconicsax   Feb-13-11 11:28 PM   #68 
                                   - The authors of the paper are medical professionals  pnwmom   Feb-13-11 11:38 PM   #69 
                                      - So obviously the Society for Acupuncture Research has no interest in the outcome of the research.  laconicsax   Feb-14-11 12:39 AM   #70 
                                         - Since when are serious medical researchers limited to those with no interest  pnwmom   Feb-14-11 04:35 AM   #73 
                                            - Are you seriously going to argue that conflict of interest is no big deal?  laconicsax   Feb-14-11 04:43 AM   #74 
                                               - Those are medical researchers at well-respected institutions.  pnwmom   Feb-14-11 03:50 PM   #84 
                                                  - Society for Acupuncture Research.  laconicsax   Feb-14-11 04:17 PM   #86 
                                                  - You're quibbling with the journal that published the research.  pnwmom   Feb-14-11 04:41 PM   #87 
                                                  - Well, let's see...they're selling something based on lies, so yeah. It's fraud.  laconicsax   Feb-14-11 06:56 PM   #88 
                          - Now you're comparing accupuncture proponents to Birthers?...  SidDithers   Feb-14-11 09:36 AM   #78 
                             - We should construct some sort of continuum of...  SDuderstadt   Feb-14-11 09:41 AM   #79 
                                - Pshaw. They're tame compared to the 'lizard people' people.  laconicsax   Feb-14-11 02:07 PM   #80 
  - recommend  xchrom   Feb-13-11 03:39 AM   #24 
  - Be wary of Stephen Barrett  BuddhaGirl   Feb-13-11 01:20 PM   #39 
  - "Barrett could NOT pass the examinations necessary to become "Board Certified.""  ingac70   Feb-13-11 02:34 PM   #43 
  - Traditional Chinese Medicine = You Support Poachers.  Odin2005   Feb-13-11 04:40 PM   #49 
  - Pharmaceutical drugs - you support animal testing.  BuddhaGirl   Feb-13-11 05:22 PM   #53 
  - Animal testing isn't driving species extinct.  Odin2005   Feb-13-11 08:41 PM   #58 
     - *psst*  laconicsax   Feb-13-11 09:16 PM   #62 
        - LULZ!  Odin2005   Feb-13-11 09:17 PM   #64 
  - If you can come up with an eco-friendly way for me to sell powdered rhino horn, I'm all ears  Orrex   Feb-13-11 09:03 PM   #60 
  - Exactly. Black bears get slaughtered so assholes can treat their hemorrhoids  snagglepuss   Feb-14-11 02:51 AM   #71 
     - Better question:  laconicsax   Feb-14-11 04:32 AM   #72 
  - Be wary of ANY medicine  uppityperson   Feb-14-11 02:51 PM   #83 
  - Personally...  CanSocDem   Feb-14-11 04:14 PM   #85 
     - Aren't those the things that you insert in...  Orrex   Feb-14-11 10:54 PM   #89 
 

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