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63. That exactly what they are: sugar pills.
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  -Fear and Its Consequences: Why States Should Get Tough with Vaccinations cleanhippie  Feb-10-11 11:16 AM   #0 
  - indeed. nt  xchrom   Feb-10-11 11:19 AM   #1 
  - Because Greedpig Pharma Needs More Money  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 11:26 AM   #2 
  - Can you support your assertion with factual evidence?  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 11:29 AM   #3 
  - You Don't Follow The News?  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 11:45 AM   #12 
  - Considering thermerisol was taken out of vaccines in 1999...  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 11:50 AM   #19 
  - Thimerosal was taken out of "some" vaccines  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 11:56 AM   #24 
     - FORMOST AUTHORITY? That is pretty freakin' hilarious, BUT...  Maru Kitteh   Feb-10-11 12:05 PM   #33 
     - Written by a doctor  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 12:09 PM   #38 
     - Seriously, a homeopathic website is your source?  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 12:14 PM   #42 
     - Mercola the foremost authority?  LeftishBrit   Feb-10-11 12:27 PM   #45 
     - MERCOLA IS A FUCKING CON MAN.  Odin2005   Feb-10-11 03:53 PM   #98 
     - Mercola?  trotsky   Feb-10-11 07:14 PM   #109 
     - mercola is your "foremost authority on the subject"? oh my. eom  uppityperson   Feb-10-11 10:19 PM   #130 
     - You know what the Foremost Authority says is a safe remedy for flu symptoms?  charlie   Feb-12-11 03:35 AM   #203 
  - Let's see if I'm following your logic here:  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 12:01 PM   #31 
  - Bullshit. It's better to be safe than sorry when it comes to empidemics.  Odin2005   Feb-10-11 03:52 PM   #97 
  - some interesting recent businesss news stories  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 03:38 PM   #93 
     - Do businesses make money off food? They do? OMG, food is Teh Evil!!!1111  uppityperson   Feb-10-11 10:21 PM   #133 
  - That's true, the fact that people are making money off it  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 11:32 AM   #5 
  - Flu Vaccine is Bullship  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 11:40 AM   #7 
     - Other than your personal assertion, can you provide ANY evidence that supports your claims?  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 11:44 AM   #10 
     - Waste of Time  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 11:49 AM   #18 
        - So your answer is "no, I cannot provide any factual evidence" then?  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 11:51 AM   #21 
        - www.mercola.com  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 11:57 AM   #25 
        - Hahahahaha! A homeopathic website is your "evidence"? Hahahahaha!  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 12:11 PM   #39 
        - But Dr. Cola is willing to sell you his products!  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 12:39 PM   #48 
        - I've Studied Nutrition for 20 Years  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 01:37 PM   #53 
           - Odd because at the begininning  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 01:54 PM   #56 
           - And unlike the claim that big pharma "might" be lying, we "KNOW" homeopaths are lying.  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 02:46 PM   #64 
           - No kidding  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 02:53 PM   #70 
           - the Ad Hom continues  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 03:11 PM   #79 
              - Equating witchcraft with homeopathy  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 03:18 PM   #83 
              - Okay Back UP  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 03:22 PM   #85 
              - Nutrition is Naturopathy  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 03:26 PM   #87 
              - Actually there's a lot of evidence that polio was made worse by sanitation  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 03:36 PM   #91 
              - Bingo!  SheilaT   Feb-11-11 04:24 PM   #200 
              - Nutrition is health care. It is not the sole possession of Naturapathic QUACKS!  HuckleB   Feb-10-11 08:13 PM   #112 
                 - Then work at reclaiming it from them  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 10:16 PM   #128 
                    - And MDs should and public health officials should spend less time on what?  HuckleB   Feb-10-11 10:21 PM   #131 
                    - Drs?  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 10:23 PM   #135 
                    - Newsflash: Homeopaths and Naturapaths pretend they're the only ones doing it.  HuckleB   Feb-10-11 10:43 PM   #142 
                    - Because to everyone else it isn't something to be advocated  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 11:12 PM   #162 
              - Oh, thats fucking BRILLIANT!!!!  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 05:49 PM   #102 
              - Hahaha! Fail again. YOU make assertions that no one else does, then claim they do.  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 05:48 PM   #101 
           - he said she said  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 02:59 PM   #73 
           - So what are you saying?  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 02:47 PM   #66 
              - I know what you're saying  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 02:54 PM   #71 
                 - But you can't counter  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 03:00 PM   #74 
                    - Waste of Time  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 03:08 PM   #77 
                    - um, google is a search and other website. Not "some facts".  uppityperson   Feb-10-11 10:24 PM   #136 
                       - I was responding snidely to kalun in the same way he responded  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 11:12 PM   #163 
                          - ah, thank you. I saw that also but have difficulty keeping people without avatars straight  uppityperson   Feb-10-11 11:41 PM   #167 
                    - It's impossible to counter you argument with facts  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 03:23 PM   #86 
                       - naturopathy  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 03:27 PM   #88 
                       - Sure you try that  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 03:32 PM   #90 
                       - Exactly  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 03:29 PM   #89 
                          - I take it you didn't read the rest of that post  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 03:37 PM   #92 
           - Because he is selling homeopathic "remedies" DOES mean its a scam.  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 01:54 PM   #57 
              - Homeopathic anything is a guaranteed scam  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 02:03 PM   #59 
              - That exactly what they are: sugar pills.  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 02:43 PM   #63 
              - Slander!  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 02:51 PM   #69 
              - Tell Us  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 02:54 PM   #72 
              - According To  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 02:48 PM   #68 
                 - Only by willfully ignoring the COPIOUS amount of studies on homeopathy can you state that.  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 09:32 PM   #121 
        - and  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 01:33 PM   #51 
           - Hey, YOU made all those baseless assertions, not me, so why are you waiting on me to explain them?  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 01:53 PM   #55 
              - Cleanhippie's ad hom attack  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 03:07 PM   #76 
                 - You are putting up a strawman, again.  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 05:47 PM   #100 
        - That's mrcola.com; the formost authority on mecidal science. nt  blondeatlast   Feb-10-11 12:12 PM   #40 
           - Ad Hominem  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 01:35 PM   #52 
              - But the fact that Mercola and homeopathic remedies are a scam IS an argument  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 02:47 PM   #65 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-10-11 03:10 PM   #78 
        - Both sides of the aisle  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 12:00 PM   #30 
           - What Kind Of Science?  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 01:42 PM   #54 
              - You do realize homeopathy is a thoroughly discredit belief system, right?  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 02:02 PM   #58 
              - Wikipedia  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 03:16 PM   #80 
                 - I suppose you're right  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 03:20 PM   #84 
              - Wow, thats some serious denial you have going on there.  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 02:47 PM   #67 
              - Only Problem Is  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 03:16 PM   #81 
                 - You are right, I cannot say why you are in denial.  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 05:56 PM   #103 
              - Homeopathy IS NOT FUCKING SCIENCE  Occulus   Feb-11-11 06:07 AM   #180 
        - google is your "link to some facts" showing "flu vaccine is bullship"?  uppityperson   Feb-10-11 10:22 PM   #134 
     - So don't get a flu shot  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 11:46 AM   #13 
        - Salk refused to patent  drmeow   Feb-10-11 12:00 PM   #28 
           - Indeed  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 12:04 PM   #32 
  - Ladies and gentlemen, I present another sad case of  Orrex   Feb-11-11 10:02 PM   #201 
  - If vaccines were 100% effective  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 11:32 AM   #4 
  - Where do you get that from?  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 11:36 AM   #6 
     - Sure  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 11:45 AM   #11 
     - Ok, thanks.  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 11:48 AM   #15 
        - No prob  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 02:05 PM   #60 
     - He's right - he means that vaccines don't always provide immunity.  trotsky   Feb-10-11 11:48 AM   #16 
  - The pertussis outbreak worries me for my youngest son.  Pathwalker   Feb-10-11 11:41 AM   #8 
  - It is likely that you can thank the anti-vax scare mongerers for this elevated risk.  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 11:42 AM   #9 
     - Why would I thank them - I blame them! The doctors said the danger  Pathwalker   Feb-10-11 11:49 AM   #17 
        - Of course, I was using some sarcasm there.  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 11:51 AM   #22 
           - My sarcasm radar's on the fritz, sorry. I worry what it will take  Pathwalker   Feb-10-11 11:55 AM   #23 
              - My fear is that it will take something truly terrible to happen before these people wake up  EvolveOrConvolve   Feb-10-11 07:13 PM   #107 
  - Thimersol was removed from MMR in 1999  barbiegeek   Feb-10-11 11:47 AM   #14 
  - Vaccines are Chemicals  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 11:59 AM   #27 
     - Weird. I always get mine in a muscle, not through an IV.  Pathwalker   Feb-10-11 12:00 PM   #29 
     - Do You Understand General Terms  Kalun D   Feb-10-11 03:17 PM   #82 
        - Clearly you don't understand general terms. That's the problem.  trotsky   Feb-11-11 07:28 AM   #184 
     - Nachos are chemicals  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 12:08 PM   #34 
     - Now THATS funny! +1  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 12:12 PM   #41 
     - True, but jalapenos neutralize the effect. I read it at mrcola.com. nt  blondeatlast   Feb-10-11 12:15 PM   #43 
        - OK, i laughed a little  Confusious   Feb-11-11 02:26 AM   #169 
     - Oooogaaaaaa! BOOOOOOOGGGGGAAAA!!  HuckleB   Feb-10-11 09:37 PM   #124 
     - I believe they are RNA fractions  barbiegeek   Feb-11-11 10:16 AM   #194 
     - Everything is a chemical or combination of chemicals  LeftishBrit   Feb-12-11 02:59 AM   #202 
  - kick  xchrom   Feb-10-11 11:51 AM   #20 
  - Sadly, I think these anti vaccers  supernova   Feb-10-11 11:57 AM   #26 
  - Doesn't CA have a large population of children of immigrants who aren't vaccinate?  KittyWampus   Feb-10-11 12:08 PM   #35 
  - +1. nt  blondeatlast   Feb-10-11 12:08 PM   #36 
  - Just take human food grade Diatomaceous earth. And fuck all diseases!  RedCloud   Feb-10-11 12:09 PM   #37 
  - Vaccines should never be mandated  laundry_queen   Feb-10-11 12:21 PM   #44 
  - If you want your kids to attend public school, then yes, it should be required.  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 12:32 PM   #46 
  - +1  HuckleB   Feb-10-11 08:14 PM   #113 
  - We put a lot of restrictions on what people can do  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 12:38 PM   #47 
  - Police state! Police state!  trotsky   Feb-10-11 01:01 PM   #49 
     - Well ok  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 02:05 PM   #61 
  - The "study" you propose is ethically and logistically impossible.  trotsky   Feb-10-11 01:03 PM   #50 
  - About that  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 02:10 PM   #62 
  - Why not just follow the religiously exempt?  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 03:49 PM   #96 
     - The unvaccinated Amish have autism too.  trotsky   Feb-10-11 06:52 PM   #106 
        - At the same rates as vaccinated kids do.  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 09:33 PM   #122 
        - Impossible  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 10:18 PM   #129 
  - .  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 03:47 PM   #95 
  - I love how anecdotal (and not even truly demonstrated) correlation MUST imply causation  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 03:07 PM   #75 
     - We know what causes pertussis  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 03:45 PM   #94 
     - LOL. Where is the evidence that shows that total rates of vaccination  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 04:05 PM   #99 
        - From the article:  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 06:00 PM   #105 
        - LOL. No implcation was made whatsoever!  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 08:08 PM   #111 
           - Uh, no one EVER claimed it was the "liberals" of SF, but it IS the IGNORANT of SF  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 09:26 PM   #117 
              - LOL. Who do you think lives in San Francisco? Kombucha drinkers or tea baggers? LOL n/t  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 10:51 PM   #149 
                 - Dude, you are pricless. I am so saving this thread for when I need a laugh.  cleanhippie   Feb-11-11 02:30 AM   #170 
        - Please present your source that children get FIFTY PLUS vaccines.  trotsky   Feb-10-11 07:13 PM   #108 
        - NJ requires 33 vaccine doses by 12th grade to be eligible to attend public school.  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 08:21 PM   #114 
           - My what large error bars you have!  laconicsax   Feb-10-11 09:34 PM   #123 
           - Cute. If you live until age 70, well over 100 vaccinations are currently recommended.  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 10:41 PM   #140 
              - zOMG! 20-40 vaccinations in 50+ years? Will the horrors never cease?  laconicsax   Feb-10-11 11:39 PM   #165 
           - Thats 2 per year average. Ohhh, scary!  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 09:37 PM   #125 
           - Thanks, Count.  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 10:44 PM   #143 
           - I've heard that many of them contain CHEMICALS!!!!!!  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 10:49 PM   #146 
           - Thank you for proving that your own claim was FALSE.  trotsky   Feb-11-11 06:39 AM   #182 
        - Here's some fun graphs for you  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 10:08 PM   #126 
        - When have I ever argued against the effectiveness of any of thes vaccines?  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 10:46 PM   #144 
           - "Who the fuck are you confusing me with?"  WatsonT   Feb-11-11 09:54 AM   #187 
        - You are free to ignore reality  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 10:21 PM   #132 
        - LOL. Nice non sequitur strawman. n/t  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 10:48 PM   #145 
           - Is someone moving in on your territory?  HuckleB   Feb-10-11 11:03 PM   #158 
              - This is a trend for this particular individual. It's never ending.  mhatrw   Feb-11-11 08:44 AM   #185 
                 - .  HuckleB   Feb-11-11 11:46 AM   #197 
        - WoW! this is interesting  Confusious   Feb-11-11 02:32 AM   #171 
     - But there has not been a "steep risein mandatory vaccinations coinciding.."  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 05:58 PM   #104 
        - Actually...  LeftishBrit   Feb-10-11 07:29 PM   #110 
        - I was not discussing the putative CAUSE of the rise. I was discussing that fact  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 08:45 PM   #116 
           - Only if you disregard the widening of the diagnosis' of autism.  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 09:30 PM   #119 
              - That's a putative CAUSE for the steep recent rise in incidence of autism.  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 10:37 PM   #139 
                 - These correlate pretty nice  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 11:00 PM   #157 
                    - Oh my god, so does this one  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 11:08 PM   #161 
                    - Wow! Did you just discover that correlation does not always equal causation?  mhatrw   Feb-11-11 02:37 AM   #172 
                       - Correlation doesn't prove causation  WatsonT   Feb-11-11 10:04 AM   #193 
        - LOL. You folks will deny ANYTHING!  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 08:41 PM   #115 
           - What is the source for this chart?  cleanhippie   Feb-10-11 09:28 PM   #118 
           - Why does it matter?  HuckleB   Feb-10-11 09:30 PM   #120 
           - HuckleB, you are merely suggesting an alternate CAUSE for the steep rise in the reported  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 10:35 PM   #138 
              - Yeah, I choose to ignore reality.  HuckleB   Feb-10-11 10:43 PM   #141 
              - LOL. You're priceless.  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 10:49 PM   #147 
                 - And, as usual, you have no response when the real world invades your fantasy world.  HuckleB   Feb-10-11 10:50 PM   #148 
                    - You live in a fantasy world in which you cannot even admit an UNDENIABLE correlation. n/t  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 10:53 PM   #151 
                       - Correlation?  HuckleB   Feb-10-11 10:56 PM   #152 
                          - smh n/t  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 10:58 PM   #154 
                             - Try using it for once.  HuckleB   Feb-10-11 10:59 PM   #155 
                                - This is a trend for this particular individual. It's never ending.  mhatrw   Feb-11-11 08:45 AM   #186 
                                   - .  HuckleB   Feb-11-11 11:45 AM   #196 
              - You know the cause  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 10:51 PM   #150 
                 - Yeah, we ALL know the cause. Because you say so.  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 10:59 PM   #156 
                    - Because it's obvious  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 11:04 PM   #159 
                       - Yeah, that's why the causes of the recent rise in autism cases are so controversial among  mhatrw   Feb-11-11 02:42 AM   #173 
                          - The cause of autism  WatsonT   Feb-11-11 09:57 AM   #188 
                          - BTW: you didn't answer my question  WatsonT   Feb-11-11 10:04 AM   #192 
           - Come on. Are you denying that the incidences of reported autism have gone up over the last 20 years?  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 10:32 PM   #137 
              - The decline of piracy also causes global warming!  Odin2005   Feb-10-11 11:40 PM   #166 
              - Yet another person who just discovered that correlation does not necessarily imply causation!  mhatrw   Feb-11-11 02:43 AM   #174 
              - But do pirates cause autism?  WatsonT   Feb-11-11 09:58 AM   #189 
              - I haven't denied shit. I asked for the source of your chart.  cleanhippie   Feb-11-11 01:39 AM   #168 
                 - You are clearly an AUTISM DENIER.  mhatrw   Feb-11-11 02:47 AM   #175 
                    - Classic. Keep making shit up and changing the subject.  cleanhippie   Feb-11-11 04:09 AM   #178 
                    - Before then they were called "Retarded" or "Psychotic".  Odin2005   Feb-11-11 04:01 PM   #199 
           - OMG! That is a damning chart  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 10:14 PM   #127 
           - What is with all the non sequitur strawmen?  mhatrw   Feb-10-11 10:57 PM   #153 
              - Sigh  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 11:07 PM   #160 
                 - Yet another AUTISM DENIER!  mhatrw   Feb-11-11 02:49 AM   #176 
                    - How the heck  Dorian Gray   Feb-11-11 07:11 AM   #183 
                    - There you go  WatsonT   Feb-11-11 10:00 AM   #190 
                    - Of course, we're *denying* the existence of a disorder if we point out that it was frequently  LeftishBrit   Feb-11-11 11:20 AM   #195 
           - What a bunch of BULLSHIT. Autism was barely understood and know before the 80s.  Odin2005   Feb-10-11 11:37 PM   #164 
              - What's disgusting and dishonest is denying that US autism rates are truly rising.  mhatrw   Feb-11-11 02:59 AM   #177 
              - Hahahahahahaha!!!!  cleanhippie   Feb-11-11 04:11 AM   #179 
              - That's not what that graph says at all.  Occulus   Feb-11-11 06:28 AM   #181 
              - The high-functioning part of the spectrum was almost unknown before 1994.  Odin2005   Feb-11-11 03:59 PM   #198 
              - Actually they started diagnosing it in the 60  WatsonT   Feb-11-11 10:02 AM   #191 
 

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