Smarmie Doofus
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Fri Nov-28-08 09:24 PM
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| 38. "Education" is a better indicator of "class" than income.. |
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Lots of educated people are not making lots of $$$ for a number of reasons . Mainly they're young, starting out or working part time; or working in poorly compensated fields ( like education; tee-hee.) This would account for the lack of a consistent correlation in both the Field and the CNN poll between YES/NO and income. It's all over the place.
But, if you accept that premise.... education level defines "class"... social "class" is closely correlated with YES/NO in both Field and the CNN survey. The better educated one is... the more one is likely to vote NO. The less educated one is, the more likely to vote YES. This is the only thing that can be said with certainty.
How AAs in Calif. fit is hard to say without more info re. race/education breakdown. What's worth noting is there's a *huge* discrepancy between the CNN poll and the Field poll re. the AA vote. Close to even in Field becomes 70-30 yes on CNN. That's quite a swing in a four days. Since it's not reflected in any other category ( i.e. a *seismic* shift of a comparable magnitude in the last week) one has to wonder about the accuracy of one or both polls where it pertains to this particular demographic.
But this much we can say for certain: the less one knows, the more likely one is to support Prop 8.
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I'm curious: how did white *working class* voters split on Prop 8.? |
PaulHo |
Nov-26-08 06:33 PM |
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That's your theory? Now...prove it true. lol nt |
msongs |
Nov-26-08 06:39 PM |
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I'm too freaking tired and I thought that in all the back and forth.... |
PaulHo |
Nov-26-08 06:45 PM |
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Had the same thought myself. I'm not sure good data exists, though. |
Liberal_Lurker |
Nov-26-08 06:43 PM |
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Thanks. Non-whites would presumably include.... |
PaulHo |
Nov-26-08 06:55 PM |
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Yeah, me too. Plus income by race. But I don't know if we'll ever see that data |
Liberal_Lurker |
Nov-26-08 07:01 PM |
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Actually this shows that both non-college and college grads |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-26-08 07:04 PM |
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This is pretty telling: |
PaulHo |
Nov-26-08 07:02 PM |
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What it tells is that an education makes a difference |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-26-08 07:07 PM |
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Agreed... this is closer to no-college non-whites: |
PaulHo |
Nov-26-08 07:20 PM |
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We should hammer CNN for their sh*ty poll, |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-26-08 07:34 PM |
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Not quite |
dsc |
Nov-26-08 08:03 PM |
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I think that's a good theory. Nothing to prove it, but it makes a lot of sense. |
PelosiFan |
Nov-26-08 07:21 PM |
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The last field poll has interesting data (10/31/08) |
94114_San_Francisco |
Nov-26-08 08:14 PM |
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The Field poll breaks the AA vote down as 48-43-8. |
PaulHo |
Nov-27-08 01:37 PM |
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I think PaulHo hit on something here, it is a function of *class* |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-26-08 08:34 PM |
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Lower income less likely to support than middle income |
NYCALIZ |
Nov-26-08 08:37 PM |
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Statistics are nice, but only if they take us to the next step |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-26-08 08:52 PM |
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I looked up the people in NC who contributed to Prop 8. They include a professor emeritus, attorneys |
yardwork |
Nov-26-08 09:39 PM |
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Yes on 8 voters were more likely to be wealthy. That was the breakdown on the same poll |
readmoreoften |
Nov-26-08 10:28 PM |
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Per CNN Depends on what you call "working class". Under $30K and over $150K voted no. |
readmoreoften |
Nov-26-08 10:37 PM |
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I expect this will vary by State, |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-26-08 10:46 PM |
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I'd like to see a breakdown of age per income group |
dwickham |
Nov-26-08 11:13 PM |
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The two income groups with the highest percentage of anti-gay bigots were the 100-$150k and $50-$75k |
yardwork |
Nov-27-08 12:32 PM |
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They're the petit bourgeois, def. not working class. Also this is income per cap, not household. |
readmoreoften |
Nov-27-08 03:02 PM |
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Would the petit bourgois be the most likely to support the status quo? |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-27-08 03:12 PM |
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In lefty thought the petit bourgeois have always been pretty much faithful to the leisure class |
readmoreoften |
Nov-27-08 04:38 PM |
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It all points back to the authoritarian churches. |
yardwork |
Nov-27-08 05:06 PM |
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Sample size? |
insleeforprez |
Nov-27-08 04:28 PM |
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Same CNN poll everyone is using for everyone else. Around 2500 I believe. |
readmoreoften |
Nov-27-08 04:41 PM |
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My wife and I are very "working class",. |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-27-08 12:52 AM |
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I think it's a little more roundabout than that. |
DarkTirade |
Nov-27-08 10:29 AM |
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But it is actually the well-off (mostly white) religious folks who organized against us. |
readmoreoften |
Nov-27-08 03:12 PM |
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Some of the most hurtful comments I've read here on DU have been from privileged people |
yardwork |
Nov-27-08 10:31 PM |
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It's all really hurtful when we step back and look it. |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-27-08 11:15 PM |
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Exactly. You said it! That's exactly how I feel when I hear this. |
yardwork |
Nov-28-08 07:25 PM |
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In my experience, here in the south, it's mostly upper-incom people who join authoritarian churches. |
yardwork |
Nov-27-08 06:20 PM |
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Great comments! I live in a blue collar area - old steel mills,etc. |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-27-08 06:49 PM |
#34 |

"Education" is a better indicator of "class" than income.. |
PaulHo |
Nov-28-08 09:24 PM |
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