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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 07:52 PM
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16. Statistics are nice, but only if they take us to the next step
which is beyond understanding who voted which way, or even why, but what do we do now?

There does not seem to be good dialog between the various gay groups in California -- I could be wrong-- but, this seems to pre-date PHate8.

I mention Ms. Cannick because she appears to be leader in her respective demographic. She was cited in a major newspaper, she has been on Faux ( of course they love division in the Progressive ranks)and she has a pretty articulate an active blog.

So now where do we go as a national gay movement and also as a local California movement?


"I am not going to say that Black gays dont care about marriagebut to the extent that it is important to us, I think we can organize ourselves. I am not of the mindset that we need outsiders to come in and develop our agenda and talking points for us."
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  -I'm curious: how did white *working class* voters split on Prop 8.? PaulHo  Nov-26-08 05:33 PM   #0 
  - That's your theory? Now...prove it true. lol nt  msongs   Nov-26-08 05:39 PM   #1 
  - I'm too freaking tired and I thought that in all the back and forth....  PaulHo   Nov-26-08 05:45 PM   #3 
  - Had the same thought myself. I'm not sure good data exists, though.  Liberal_Lurker   Nov-26-08 05:43 PM   #2 
  - Thanks. Non-whites would presumably include....  PaulHo   Nov-26-08 05:55 PM   #4 
  - Yeah, me too. Plus income by race. But I don't know if we'll ever see that data  Liberal_Lurker   Nov-26-08 06:01 PM   #5 
  - Actually this shows that both non-college and college grads  bluedawg12   Nov-26-08 06:04 PM   #7 
  - This is pretty telling:  PaulHo   Nov-26-08 06:02 PM   #6 
     - What it tells is that an education makes a difference  bluedawg12   Nov-26-08 06:07 PM   #8 
        - Agreed... this is closer to no-college non-whites:  PaulHo   Nov-26-08 06:20 PM   #9 
           - We should hammer CNN for their sh*ty poll,  bluedawg12   Nov-26-08 06:34 PM   #11 
           - Not quite  dsc   Nov-26-08 07:03 PM   #12 
  - I think that's a good theory. Nothing to prove it, but it makes a lot of sense.  PelosiFan   Nov-26-08 06:21 PM   #10 
  - The last field poll has interesting data (10/31/08)  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-26-08 07:14 PM   #13 
  - The Field poll breaks the AA vote down as 48-43-8.  PaulHo   Nov-27-08 12:37 PM   #25 
  - I think PaulHo hit on something here, it is a function of *class*  bluedawg12   Nov-26-08 07:34 PM   #14 
  - Lower income less likely to support than middle income  NYCALIZ   Nov-26-08 07:37 PM   #15 
  - Statistics are nice, but only if they take us to the next step  bluedawg12   Nov-26-08 07:52 PM   #16 
  - I looked up the people in NC who contributed to Prop 8. They include a professor emeritus, attorneys  yardwork   Nov-26-08 08:39 PM   #17 
  - Yes on 8 voters were more likely to be wealthy. That was the breakdown on the same poll  readmoreoften   Nov-26-08 09:28 PM   #18 
  - Per CNN Depends on what you call "working class". Under $30K and over $150K voted no.  readmoreoften   Nov-26-08 09:37 PM   #19 
     - I expect this will vary by State,  bluedawg12   Nov-26-08 09:46 PM   #20 
     - I'd like to see a breakdown of age per income group  dwickham   Nov-26-08 10:13 PM   #21 
     - The two income groups with the highest percentage of anti-gay bigots were the 100-$150k and $50-$75k  yardwork   Nov-27-08 11:32 AM   #24 
     - They're the petit bourgeois, def. not working class. Also this is income per cap, not household.  readmoreoften   Nov-27-08 02:02 PM   #26 
        - Would the petit bourgois be the most likely to support the status quo?  bluedawg12   Nov-27-08 02:12 PM   #28 
        - In lefty thought the petit bourgeois have always been pretty much faithful to the leisure class  readmoreoften   Nov-27-08 03:38 PM   #30 
        - It all points back to the authoritarian churches.  yardwork   Nov-27-08 04:06 PM   #32 
     - Sample size?  insleeforprez   Nov-27-08 03:28 PM   #29 
        - Same CNN poll everyone is using for everyone else. Around 2500 I believe.  readmoreoften   Nov-27-08 03:41 PM   #31 
  - My wife and I are very "working class",.  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Nov-26-08 11:52 PM   #22 
  - I think it's a little more roundabout than that.  DarkTirade   Nov-27-08 09:29 AM   #23 
  - But it is actually the well-off (mostly white) religious folks who organized against us.  readmoreoften   Nov-27-08 02:12 PM   #27 
  - Some of the most hurtful comments I've read here on DU have been from privileged people  yardwork   Nov-27-08 09:31 PM   #35 
     - It's all really hurtful when we step back and look it.  bluedawg12   Nov-27-08 10:15 PM   #36 
        - Exactly. You said it! That's exactly how I feel when I hear this.  yardwork   Nov-28-08 06:25 PM   #37 
  - In my experience, here in the south, it's mostly upper-incom people who join authoritarian churches.  yardwork   Nov-27-08 05:20 PM   #33 
     - Great comments! I live in a blue collar area - old steel mills,etc.  bluedawg12   Nov-27-08 05:49 PM   #34 
  - "Education" is a better indicator of "class" than income..  PaulHo   Nov-28-08 08:24 PM   #38 

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