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Fri Nov-14-08 10:10 AM
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| 47. Of course. No question about all your points - I don't think anybody disagrees here. |
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It's as unfair, unproductive, and patently ridiculous to say "all black people in California are homophobic" as it is to say "all white gay people on DU are racist."
Getting back to the op-ed piece, the author has a right to her opinion. I just pointed out, upthread, that I don't agree with her presentation of this issue as a set of opposing choices. It didn't take voters any money to vote "No on Proposition 8." It was just as easy to vote "No" as it was to vote "Yes." Voting against bigotry doesn't take any money from "more important causes" or ask anyone to ignore those other causes. So when she says it wasn't a priority in the black community because it's not as important an issue as others, well, that argument just doesn't hold up. The people pushing and supporting Proposition 8 went out of their way to make an issue out of something that was not an issue before. They're the ones who deserve criticism, not the folks whose rights were lost.
I'm an Anglo lesbian. I spend most of my time, money, and energy fighting for equal access to health care and contributing to human rights causes that help all people, like the Southern Poverty Law Center. My focus is not primarily on gay rights.
With all the problems in the world, why should gay people have to spend extra time and money to defend rights in states where we'd already won rights? Whose idea was it to take marriage away from 18,000 people who were already married, and make it impossible for any more gay people to get married, after it had been legal for six months? Now, that's a waste of time and money on a lousy cause, one that we all should be able to agree about.
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| -An unfair attack on white gays |
dwickham |
Nov-13-08 04:02 PM |
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I'm unconvinced that working-class lesbian families of color can't use joint health insurance |
readmoreoften |
Nov-13-08 04:09 PM |
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That op-ed has already been debunked. She was, just days earlier, FOR gay marriage. |
closeupready |
Nov-13-08 04:15 PM |
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Are you serious? |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-13-08 05:45 PM |
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Yep. Here's the link |
closeupready |
Nov-13-08 06:37 PM |
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Thanks for link |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-13-08 08:57 PM |
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There's a false dichotomy raised by Cannick and others. |
yardwork |
Nov-13-08 04:17 PM |
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Pushing a button to say no to Hate8 - cost no tax dollars |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-13-08 05:50 PM |
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I don't like much of what I've seen written by her |
dwickham |
Nov-13-08 06:18 PM |
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She seems to be going out of her way to stoke division... /nt |
Psyop Samurai |
Nov-13-08 07:53 PM |
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it's an attention thing |
dwickham |
Nov-13-08 08:05 PM |
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the we don't want to discuss is that antigay bigotry crosses all spectrums. |
xchrom |
Nov-13-08 04:48 PM |
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that's evident on this website |
dwickham |
Nov-13-08 04:52 PM |
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I thought this was about the thread in GDP today -- seriously |
LostinVA |
Nov-13-08 05:24 PM |
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its an unfair attack on intelligence to pit one right against the other |
lionesspriyanka |
Nov-13-08 05:35 PM |
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Somebody needs to tell this jerk-off |
nichomachus |
Nov-13-08 05:46 PM |
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as a black lesbian, i am sure she is well aware of that |
noiretblu |
Nov-13-08 06:11 PM |
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Well, maybe when her rights are in jeopardy |
nichomachus |
Nov-13-08 06:46 PM |
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her rights were in jeopardy...she's a black lesbian |
noiretblu |
Nov-13-08 06:57 PM |
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people rationalize things that cause them cognitive dissonance |
lionesspriyanka |
Nov-13-08 06:53 PM |
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bs...i am a black lesbian who voted no on 8 |
noiretblu |
Nov-13-08 07:00 PM |
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how is that bs, i assume the author voted no on 8 too, however she is hideously |
lionesspriyanka |
Nov-13-08 07:02 PM |
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i think she is being intentionally provacative |
noiretblu |
Nov-13-08 07:04 PM |
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either way her logic is terribly flawed. i do think there is a place to talk |
lionesspriyanka |
Nov-13-08 07:09 PM |
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i agree...not the place |
noiretblu |
Nov-13-08 07:17 PM |
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you mean she is focusing on the fly on the elephants ass |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-13-08 07:11 PM |
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YES...i believe she is...and she is venting |
noiretblu |
Nov-13-08 07:14 PM |
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Do you think she was pressured into changing her previous pro gay stand? |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-13-08 09:00 PM |
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no, i don't think she was pressured |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 11:56 AM |
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noiretblu - thank you! |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-14-08 12:24 PM |
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well, the nationalism i see reflected in that article |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 01:11 PM |
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Thank you - it makes sense these desperate rw ploys |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-14-08 06:14 PM |
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Election Irregularities Surfacing Re: California's Proposition 8! |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 06:40 PM |
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do you think this is productive? |
noiretblu |
Nov-13-08 06:20 PM |
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do you think this is productive? |
LostinVA |
Nov-13-08 06:48 PM |
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magical negroes don't exist |
noiretblu |
Nov-13-08 06:52 PM |
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it's evil |
dwickham |
Nov-13-08 06:53 PM |
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i assume it's equally evil for the white, latino and asian |
noiretblu |
Nov-13-08 06:56 PM |
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do you think this is productive? |
LostinVA |
Nov-13-08 06:57 PM |
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yes...i think TRUTH is far more productive than half-truths |
noiretblu |
Nov-13-08 07:01 PM |
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do you think this is productive? |
LostinVA |
Nov-14-08 08:02 AM |
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it's more productive than infighting |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 12:00 PM |
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no, its not |
dwickham |
Nov-13-08 07:44 PM |
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did "the white gay community" support affirmative action? |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 12:06 PM |
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Actually, white gay people support affirmative action MUCH more than white straight people. |
PelosiFan |
Nov-14-08 12:17 PM |
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i'd like to see some numbers |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 12:43 PM |
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I know that some democrats oppose it just as some democrats oppose civil rights (apparently) |
PelosiFan |
Nov-14-08 12:47 PM |
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yes, unfortunately 5 million californians voted for Prop 8 |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 12:52 PM |
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Here's your poll... showing that gays support AA more than straights,,, |
PelosiFan |
Nov-16-08 10:36 AM |
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i'm an accountant |
noiretblu |
Nov-17-08 06:19 PM |
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I don't know if the white gay community supported and continues to support |
dwickham |
Nov-14-08 02:45 PM |
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no, people aren't evil...they are ignorant |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 03:04 PM |
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ignorant is when you don't know better |
dwickham |
Nov-14-08 04:32 PM |
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so white bigots get a pass? sorry...that just doesn't make sense |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 06:02 PM |
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The article the lady wrote is still bullshit |
Chulanowa |
Nov-13-08 07:13 PM |
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some people might have a hard time supporting |
noiretblu |
Nov-13-08 07:22 PM |
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If equality is seen as special rights for special people, that's the result of a fucked up |
mondo joe |
Nov-13-08 07:45 PM |
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i absolutely agree...now what? |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 12:11 PM |
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If you ask me, push on the California court on Prop 8; see where we get with the |
mondo joe |
Nov-14-08 03:26 PM |
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this is honest |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-13-08 07:57 PM |
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what is hollow about it? |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 12:13 PM |
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you think the religious right of any race in UNintentionally bigoted |
lionesspriyanka |
Nov-13-08 08:10 PM |
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sacred hatred |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 12:07 PM |
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Oh there are certainly racist and bigoted gays. |
mondo joe |
Nov-13-08 07:49 PM |
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there are bigoted white gays just like there are bigoted black gays and hispanic gays and asian gays |
dwickham |
Nov-13-08 11:45 PM |
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Nothing justifies Prop 8's passage. Nothing. |
mondo joe |
Nov-14-08 07:31 AM |
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Totally agree... |
Psyop Samurai |
Nov-14-08 10:02 AM |
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and then there was bull connor and george wallace |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 01:25 PM |
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You're alright with me, sister... |
Psyop Samurai |
Nov-14-08 04:52 PM |
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sometimes we have to get past the anger |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 06:04 PM |
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What is NOT a false issue is fortifying the "It's a White thing" perception... |
Psyop Samurai |
Nov-13-08 10:18 PM |
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how did the white gay community support affrimative action? |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 12:41 PM |
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There are gender issues within the gay community, too. |
yardwork |
Nov-14-08 01:52 PM |
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i agree mostly |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 02:11 PM |
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You make a good point about the difference between the law and people's opinions. |
yardwork |
Nov-14-08 02:19 PM |
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we need federal protection |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 02:25 PM |
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Have a good day and thank you for your posts! |
yardwork |
Nov-14-08 02:53 PM |
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Of course. No question about all your points - I don't think anybody disagrees here. |
yardwork |
Nov-14-08 10:10 AM |
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i agree with you...the author is an idiot. so why does she get some much ink here? |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 12:48 PM |
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She get's coverage because of what she said |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-14-08 12:55 PM |
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5.2 million people voted yes on 8 |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 01:55 PM |
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This is a good point |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-14-08 02:09 PM |
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It's been a very difficult ten days here. Last week there were some hurtful threads and posts |
yardwork |
Nov-14-08 01:46 PM |
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Are you a black lesbian Mormon? |
Dinkeldog |
Nov-14-08 12:22 PM |
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showing your true colors? |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 12:51 PM |
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Then should this break the Democratic coalition? |
Dinkeldog |
Nov-14-08 02:08 PM |
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is that your way of apologizing? |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 02:12 PM |
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Then I'll accept yours too |
Dinkeldog |
Nov-14-08 02:51 PM |
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alrighty then |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 02:58 PM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Nov-13-08 07:22 PM |
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We are all being cynically played by the rw and the SBC |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-14-08 12:47 PM |
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THANK YOU |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 12:53 PM |
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noiretblu -- LOL! back at you! |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-14-08 01:02 PM |
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absolutely...we have to stand united |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 01:15 PM |
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This is the "Reverse of Nixon's Southern Strategy" |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-14-08 02:38 PM |
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good. I am glad you are not going anywhere. |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-14-08 07:02 PM |
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of course |
noiretblu |
Nov-14-08 07:03 PM |
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good site! i glanced over it quickly and bookmarked it for later. |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-14-08 08:48 PM |
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The bottom line is |
Jamastiene |
Nov-14-08 07:15 PM |
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We are right on time - check this out - unity! |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-14-08 07:50 PM |
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