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madmadmad Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 01:10 PM
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44. another perspective on the meeting...
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 01:18 PM by madmadmad
a good friend who attended yesterday's meeting with me, and he was up until now, probably the restaurants biggest booster. he sent out the following email yesterday, and it helps illustrate why this situation is so unique ,and so devastating. when people loved this place, they really loved it- in defiance of the food quality, i might add- and as my friend i]really loved it, his sadness is palpable. for some (including both my friend and myself)), it feels as if a family member has turned on us- you know it happened, but it seems unbelievable and a bit surreal, and one still has hope that in the way of all family squabbles, it will soon pass. i have my doubts on that, though.

the opening "dog lovers" is a nod to el coyote's nick name "the dog"

Dear Dog Lovers,

The blogosphere and cyberspace are full of reports on today's events at El
Coyote, so I can only add my own impressions. It was a very emotional
experience, certainly a pivotal day in the restaurant's 80+ years.

Margie was a shattered trembling shell who read a prepared statement,
expressing her longstanding love for the gay community and emphasizing that
her contribution to Yes on 8 was hers and not El Coyote's. She asked us not
to punish the 89 other staff and their families for her actions. She has a
strong Mormon faith which guided her decision and when asked if she would
consider a donation to No on 8 now, said "No." She left shortly thereafter
without taking any other questions.

Billy, the host, said that El Coyote would be making generous donations to
various gay organizations (which was not well-received). Rocio, one of the
waitresses, gave an unplanned speech that moved me to tears. Ex-Mormons
talked about how the church controls its members. Articulate and passionate
people spoke in both anger and sadness. In the end, nothing was resolved
and, if anything, a bad situation was made worse, a mishandled mea culpa.
Most of the crowd trooped out eschewing the free lunch.

I don't know how this can be resolved. Although she does support the gay
community in many ways and is genuinely anguished by this situation,
Margie's faith prevents her from supporting same-sex marriage. Boycotting
her restaurant won't change that I fear. My compassion and concern for all
the wonderful people who take care of us at El Coyote is in conflict with my
disappointment that Margie is only sorry for the pain she's caused, not for
the cause itself.

It's going to be a rough road for El Coyote for a while. "Sauce of doom" has
more than one meaning now.

In sadness,

(name omitted)
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  -BOYCOTT EL COYOTE LOS ANGELES!!!!!!! NO GAY DOLLARS TO BIGOTS!!!!!! madmadmad  Nov-12-08 05:37 PM   #0 
  - Where in LA is El Coyote?  kestrel91316   Nov-12-08 05:40 PM   #1 
  - It's mid-city not far from Farmer's Market and also TERRIBLE FOOD!  K8-EEE   Nov-12-08 07:46 PM   #23 
     - it was never about the food, it was about the atmosphere...  madmadmad   Nov-12-08 08:23 PM   #28 
        - Understood, it is quite festive, but question for Marjorie.....  K8-EEE   Nov-12-08 09:30 PM   #37 
        - And the margaritas!  IndianaGreen   Nov-12-08 10:44 PM   #39 
  - I see you're pretty much fulfilling the Gay Agenda with this post  Cronus Protagonist   Nov-12-08 05:42 PM   #2 
  - or alternatively, a large group of GLBT --- go there ---  JustFiveMoreMinutes   Nov-12-08 05:42 PM   #3 
  - or just go there to use the restroom,  pennylane100   Nov-12-08 06:30 PM   #13 
  - How about no dollars at ALL? I'm not gay and I used to go there but won't any more  melody   Nov-12-08 05:47 PM   #4 
  - yay! no dollars to bigots!  madmadmad   Nov-12-08 05:52 PM   #7 
  - I'm so with you on this....spread the word  ellius101   Nov-12-08 05:50 PM   #5 
  - make em pay  Howardx   Nov-12-08 05:52 PM   #6 
  - K&R Its on! No more dollars to Bigots n/t  FreeState   Nov-12-08 05:54 PM   #8 
  - protest at el coyote 11/13!  madmadmad   Nov-12-08 05:59 PM   #9 
  - link to protest 11/13 7:00 pm  madmadmad   Nov-12-08 06:06 PM   #10 
  - That was a vivid, descriptive account of what happened.  Maat   Nov-12-08 09:01 PM   #31 
     - he said it much, much better than i did  madmadmad   Nov-12-08 09:09 PM   #34 
        - Oh, I liked your account plenty, too.  Maat   Nov-12-08 09:21 PM   #36 
  - Good job  cboy4   Nov-12-08 09:09 PM   #33 
  - well, this makes me wish there was an el coyote here so I could boycott it  Lerkfish   Nov-12-08 06:18 PM   #11 
  - madmadmad  ellius101   Nov-12-08 06:19 PM   #12 
  - oh no- two protests in one night?  madmadmad   Nov-12-08 06:38 PM   #14 
  - No, not a protest  ellius101   Nov-12-08 06:47 PM   #15 
     - gotcha- no $$$ to el pollo loco either n/t  madmadmad   Nov-12-08 07:10 PM   #19 
  - Dammit. My favorite fast food.  cui bono   Nov-13-08 02:57 PM   #45 
  - I feel very sorry for her.  ronnykmarshall   Nov-12-08 07:01 PM   #16 
  - i do too- this whole thing breaks my heart.  madmadmad   Nov-12-08 07:09 PM   #18 
  - I hear ya.  ronnykmarshall   Nov-12-08 07:30 PM   #20 
  - Me too. But then I thought it's not about her - it's about alerting a lot of people that  mondo joe   Nov-12-08 07:42 PM   #22 
  - Henry Ford loved his employees too!  IndianaGreen   Nov-12-08 10:46 PM   #40 
     - actually, she treats her employees very well  madmadmad   Nov-12-08 11:31 PM   #41 
        - I hear what you say about the benefits her employees enjoy  IndianaGreen   Nov-12-08 11:37 PM   #42 
           - i agree- one of the reasons i felt compelled to join the boycott  madmadmad   Nov-13-08 12:05 AM   #43 
  - Examples must be made. Businesses have to know what they risk by opposing our rights.  mondo joe   Nov-12-08 07:02 PM   #17 
  - Can we get one more "recommend" so this gets on the greatest page for more exposure? n/t  FreeState   Nov-12-08 07:32 PM   #21 
  - I live out in the valley and originally hoped she would be open to a conversation.  ColbertWatcher   Nov-12-08 07:52 PM   #24 
  - we ALL hoped she would be open to a conversation...  madmadmad   Nov-12-08 08:17 PM   #27 
     - "you could see the hatred in her children's eyes"  ColbertWatcher   Nov-12-08 08:41 PM   #29 
        - both  madmadmad   Nov-12-08 08:43 PM   #30 
           - Yup, they learned from their mama how to hate, and they can see their inheritance slipping away!  ColbertWatcher   Nov-12-08 09:06 PM   # 
  - The Mormon owner kind of explains the tostada I got there once  K8-EEE   Nov-12-08 07:56 PM   #25 
  - "new 'Lotteria' Mex stand" Sounds better than my suggestion for a "roach coach!" (post #24) n/t  ColbertWatcher   Nov-12-08 08:00 PM   #26 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Nov-12-08 09:06 PM   #32 
  - Adios El Coyote  cboy4   Nov-12-08 09:13 PM   #35 
  - Thanks madmad  mitchtv   Nov-12-08 09:40 PM   #38 
  - another perspective on the meeting...  madmadmad   Nov-13-08 01:10 PM   #44 
  - I'm curious what instigated her to have this meeting? n/t  cui bono   Nov-13-08 03:02 PM   #46 
  - damage control-  madmadmad   Nov-13-08 06:23 PM   #47 
     - remember- PROTEST TONIGHT AT 7:00  madmadmad   Nov-13-08 06:25 PM   #48 
     - Yeah, but I mean why did she need the damage control?  cui bono   Nov-13-08 08:27 PM   #49 
        - LA times online had a feature where you could see who donated  madmadmad   Nov-14-08 03:45 AM   #52 
           - Ah, I see. Thanks for the info. n/t  cui bono   Nov-14-08 04:18 PM   #57 
  - thanks for the update  ruggerson   Nov-13-08 09:41 PM   #50 
  - It was mentioned in an NPR piece yesterday morning as well!  bullwinkle428   Nov-14-08 04:19 PM   #58 
  - Unbelieveable!  GreenFiles   Nov-13-08 10:49 PM   #51 
  - 11/13 protest update- "HATE ON A PLATE"  madmadmad   Nov-14-08 03:59 AM   #53 
  - I DOn't Live In LA, But...  RetiredTrotskyite   Nov-14-08 09:05 AM   #54 
  - exactly, troksyite!  madmadmad   Nov-14-08 04:06 PM   #55 
  - El Coyote? That place is so over-rated.  Mike 03   Nov-14-08 04:15 PM   #56 
  - now it's just over.  madmadmad   Nov-14-08 04:23 PM   #59 
     - It sounds like it was a very dramatic event. Thanks for posting this.  Mike 03   Nov-14-08 04:27 PM   #60 
  - Doesn't serving alcohol also violate her faith as a Mormon?  yardwork   Nov-14-08 05:00 PM   #61 
  - zealots love to cherry pick what to believe in  madmadmad   Nov-14-08 07:00 PM   #62 
     - I'm tired of them. They've gone too far this time.  yardwork   Nov-14-08 09:12 PM   #63 
        - i agree- too far!  madmadmad   Nov-14-08 09:43 PM   #64 
  - meh.  gigs   Jan-17-09 02:22 AM   #65 
  - As can the people who choose to boycott her restaurant  Lirwin2   Jan-17-09 03:19 AM   #66 
  - I can name that tune in one note  mtnester   Jan-17-09 05:00 AM   #67 
  - LOL! Nice contribution to a very old thread.  PelosiFan   Jan-17-09 08:29 AM   #68 
  - Thanks for kicking this two-month-old thread.  racaulk   Jan-17-09 09:41 AM   #70 
  - feh. Spend gay dollars wisely.  bluedawg12   Jan-17-09 09:44 AM   #71 
  - Thanks for kicking this old thread up!  IndianaGreen   Jan-17-09 02:01 PM   #72 
  - Welcome to DU LGBT forum  mitchtv   Jan-17-09 02:03 PM   #73 
  - deleted  Ioo   Jan-17-09 08:44 AM   #69 

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