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Wed Mar-26-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #111 |
| 117. are you being "petulant"? nt |
| -Obama to LGBT Americans: The fight for your civil rights is a distraction |
Tyo |
Mar-25-08 09:38 AM |
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I think he was saying that the fight to TAKE AWAY gay rights is a distraction. |
IanDB1 |
Mar-25-08 09:41 AM |
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Given his stated views on gay marriage |
Tyo |
Mar-25-08 09:42 AM |
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Okay, then -- give us the link to your quote. Some context would help. |
Buzz Clik |
Mar-25-08 09:49 AM |
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a couple of links |
Tyo |
Mar-25-08 09:56 AM |
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It sounds like he is criticizing people who use gay marriage and immigration to divide us. |
GodlessBiker |
Mar-25-08 11:09 AM |
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It sounds like, it seems like, you could interpret it. Why can't he just speak plainly and clearly? |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 11:19 AM |
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Actually, it's obvious he's talking about WEDGE use of issues -- it's those claiming otherwise ... |
cloudythescribbler |
Mar-25-08 11:33 AM |
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It is not obvious at all. Why assume the worst OR the best? I'd rather he simply be clear. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 11:37 AM |
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After reading the actual article, not someone's mis-read |
TomBall Democrat |
Mar-25-08 03:00 PM |
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Quote him from it then. I didn't get the clarity you obviously did. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 03:04 PM |
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Ok, here's the direct quote |
TomBall Democrat |
Mar-25-08 03:13 PM |
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I still don't see that he said anything clear. In fact, your quotes make me even more pissed at him |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 03:25 PM |
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Exactly |
Tyo |
Mar-25-08 04:34 PM |
#66 |
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Oh my. Irony meter busted to pieces. |
burythehatchet |
Mar-25-08 04:26 PM |
#65 |
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Because he is human and so are we |
tavalon |
Mar-25-08 05:12 PM |
#67 |
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Since marriage is legal contract and a pretty complicated one |
Tyo |
Mar-25-08 05:28 PM |
#68 |
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I have no chip, and I don't really care about your "relationship style." |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 08:21 PM |
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Civil marriage has jack shit to do with religion. And I can prove it for you: |
mondo joe |
Mar-26-08 11:18 AM |
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There is an easier way to drive that point home |
TechBear_Seattle |
Mar-26-08 06:49 PM |
#114 |
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That "aside" is really fucking obnoxious. |
Chovexani |
Mar-26-08 09:43 PM |
#118 |
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I seem to remember someone else who left things to interpretation. |
plantwomyn |
Mar-26-08 04:33 PM |
#111 |
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are you being "petulant"? nt |
mitchtv |
Mar-26-08 09:40 PM |
#117 |
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I'm not sure which way he means it |
Bluenorthwest |
Mar-25-08 09:56 AM |
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You mean he *gasp* triangulates?!? |
Dinkeldog |
Mar-25-08 11:05 AM |
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Haha! |
blayne |
Mar-25-08 10:25 PM |
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"There must be a reason he keeps being vauge" -- uhh yeah |
Donnachaidh |
Mar-25-08 12:53 PM |
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If he meant "take away" he should have said "take away." Clarity here is important. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 10:00 AM |
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Obama could care less about gay rights |
leftofcool |
Mar-25-08 09:43 AM |
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Okay... |
IanDB1 |
Mar-25-08 09:49 AM |
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Living up to the promise of equality is not just about dignity and respect. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 10:06 AM |
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Obama, Clinton, and McCain: None of them support marriage equality. |
GodlessBiker |
Mar-25-08 11:11 AM |
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And two of them have closed the door completely. Obama for religious reasons. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 11:16 AM |
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They all have closed the door. |
GodlessBiker |
Mar-25-08 11:27 AM |
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No, they have not. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 11:31 AM |
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I did. "I put forth my position, which is in favor of civil unions," Clinton said. |
GodlessBiker |
Mar-25-08 11:49 AM |
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She said "think" , she didn't say that her religion prevents her from supporting it. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 11:53 AM |
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So, you're basing your conclusion on the word "think"? |
GodlessBiker |
Mar-25-08 12:02 PM |
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To answer your questions: |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 12:07 PM |
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Here's a link to Obama's Open Letter to the Gay community. Hope it helps. |
tedrick8 |
Mar-27-08 07:31 AM |
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"Hope this helps you guys." You guys? |
PelosiFan |
Mar-27-08 08:21 AM |
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OMG PelosiFan and you guys- |
tedrick8 |
Mar-27-08 10:49 AM |
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Keeping on topic, Barack Obama said nothing about equality for gay Americans. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-27-08 11:20 AM |
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Fruit salad |
Dinkeldog |
Mar-27-08 11:22 AM |
#126 |
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If you're gay, I'm the Queen of England |
LostinVA |
Mar-27-08 12:05 PM |
#127 |
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Hi LostinVA! Queen is too much responsibility, be a princess! :-) |
tedrick8 |
Mar-27-08 12:41 PM |
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Feb 4 Hillarys letter to GLBT; Feb 28 Barack's letter to GLBT -- leader or follower |
Iceburg |
Mar-27-08 11:15 AM |
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Thanks Dinkledog & Iceburg! |
tedrick8 |
Mar-27-08 12:13 PM |
#128 |
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He does love us after all!!! |
blayne |
Mar-25-08 10:24 PM |
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Your shiny happy optimism is overwhelming. n/t |
IanDB1 |
Mar-26-08 09:00 AM |
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I'm all for him, but that ad buy didn't mean he was committed to our cause. |
blayne |
Mar-26-08 10:21 AM |
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How many times have I heard |
Dinkeldog |
Mar-26-08 10:50 AM |
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Obama came to my house and gave me a foot rub. n/t |
IanDB1 |
Mar-26-08 11:31 AM |
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Hey, now for a foot rub... |
Dinkeldog |
Mar-26-08 01:37 PM |
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Very good points. However... |
IanDB1 |
Mar-26-08 11:28 AM |
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How many straights are going to be picking up gay mags? |
Tyo |
Mar-26-08 12:12 PM |
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Anti-gay activists spend more time reading gay magazines than any gay person you know. |
IanDB1 |
Mar-26-08 01:16 PM |
#99 |
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If their constituents are already seriously anti-gay |
Tyo |
Mar-26-08 01:41 PM |
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Aren't those numbers actually for pro-gay-marriage and not just pro-gay? |
PelosiFan |
Mar-26-08 12:27 PM |
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Those are the figures available somewhere in google-land for being endorsed by gay rights groups.nt |
IanDB1 |
Mar-26-08 01:14 PM |
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LOL! Somewhere in google-land. That's rich. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-26-08 03:53 PM |
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In fact there was no risk. The majority polled said it made no difference |
mondo joe |
Mar-26-08 02:12 PM |
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So 10% of the population in a demographic that votes more regularly |
Dinkeldog |
Mar-26-08 01:42 PM |
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You could use a bit of work on presenting the facts. |
mondo joe |
Mar-26-08 02:03 PM |
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Point well-taken. n/t |
IanDB1 |
Mar-26-08 02:57 PM |
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I agree with the first part of what you said. |
blayne |
Mar-26-08 04:14 PM |
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You said "Gay Stance." Duh huh. Huh huh. |
IanDB1 |
Mar-26-08 08:03 PM |
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haha |
blayne |
Mar-26-08 09:49 PM |
#119 |
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The audacity of hope |
mitchtv |
Mar-26-08 03:11 PM |
#106 |
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Of course, it would have been much more meaningful... |
IntravenousDemilo |
Mar-27-08 01:34 AM |
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NO! |
plantwomyn |
Mar-26-08 04:17 PM |
#110 |
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No, he could not care less n/t |
TechBear_Seattle |
Mar-25-08 10:24 AM |
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-- |
Iceburg |
Mar-26-08 08:52 AM |
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I have concerns about Obama's commitment to the GLBT community, but |
closeupready |
Mar-25-08 10:02 AM |
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It's too bad we have to "interpret" everything he says on the subject. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 10:09 AM |
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Ahhh... Thank you |
Tyo |
Mar-25-08 10:19 AM |
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I think Obama expressed himself more clearly here. |
insleeforprez |
Mar-25-08 10:15 AM |
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(important typo) "could have expressed himself..." |
insleeforprez |
Mar-25-08 11:23 AM |
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Shoulda Woulda Coulda |
Cherchez la Femme |
Mar-26-08 02:59 AM |
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Your commentary is excellent. Glad to K & R |
TechBear_Seattle |
Mar-25-08 10:18 AM |
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Good suggestion. I added mine. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 10:38 AM |
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I don't see the word "for" in Obama's speech |
kdpeters |
Mar-25-08 02:04 PM |
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Recommended. |
terrya |
Mar-25-08 10:57 AM |
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Dumbest post of the day. |
Ian_rd |
Mar-25-08 11:08 AM |
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Yes, I agree. Yours IS the dumbest post of the day. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 11:17 AM |
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I have no defense from such biting debate skill. |
Ian_rd |
Mar-25-08 11:28 AM |
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I only answered on your level. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 11:32 AM |
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Please no more! I'm defenseless! |
Ian_rd |
Mar-25-08 11:35 AM |
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Please stop condescending to us. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 11:36 AM |
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Hey, if we're back to speaking intelligently, then I'm all for it. |
Ian_rd |
Mar-25-08 11:38 AM |
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Oh, ok, got it. We'll just shut the fuck up and wait like good boys and girls. |
terrya |
Mar-25-08 11:20 AM |
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We are just a distraction from important issues. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 11:23 AM |
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Sorry, friend but it seems like you're splitting hairs here |
TomBall Democrat |
Mar-25-08 03:15 PM |
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Excuse me, friend? Splitting hairs? Some folks here ARE enemies to equality. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 03:30 PM |
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You have the same basic comprehension problems as the OP |
Ian_rd |
Mar-25-08 11:27 AM |
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Right, nothing preventing us from marrying. What country do you think we live in? |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 11:35 AM |
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Don't run home to momma and cry "you hate gays!" |
Ian_rd |
Mar-25-08 11:37 AM |
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You can get married. And that marriage will mean something FEDERALLY. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-25-08 11:39 AM |
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There can be no federal law prohibiting religious recognition of relationships |
Dinkeldog |
Mar-25-08 01:51 PM |
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What an ignorant post. There is only ONE state in the US marrying same sex couples, |
mondo joe |
Mar-25-08 10:35 PM |
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"We are only forced to talk about gay marriage... |
Tyo |
Mar-25-08 03:32 PM |
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Do you honestly believe there's equality for GLBT people in the US? |
LostinVA |
Mar-26-08 09:24 AM |
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Funny, what I took away from that post was |
mitchtv |
Mar-25-08 09:45 PM |
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You've misinterpreted. If you K&R, you'll be embarrassed even more |
elias7 |
Mar-25-08 11:42 AM |
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This is past ridiculous. |
Ian_rd |
Mar-25-08 11:52 AM |
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Strait man tells us what's what |
mitchtv |
Mar-25-08 09:54 PM |
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Hollow insult. Predictable. I've seen nothing else from the Hillary camp for weeks. nt. |
Ian_rd |
Mar-26-08 06:20 AM |
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I can only speak for myself here |
Tyo |
Mar-26-08 07:57 AM |
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Hardly an insult |
mitchtv |
Mar-26-08 09:31 PM |
#116 |
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Nah, see, its Obama we're discussing. |
baby_mouse |
Mar-27-08 12:37 PM |
#129 |
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and so where does he say it's a "distraction" |
hiphopnation23 |
Mar-25-08 12:23 PM |
#46 |
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You are mistaken. He is saying that the fight AGAINST our civil rights is a distraction. |
kdpeters |
Mar-25-08 12:23 PM |
#47 |
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I don't see the word "against" in Obama's speech. |
TechBear_Seattle |
Mar-25-08 01:57 PM |
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You heard me, Mary. I said what I meant. |
kdpeters |
Mar-25-08 02:13 PM |
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I'm not the one clutching my pearls and hyperventilating |
TechBear_Seattle |
Mar-25-08 02:30 PM |
#54 |
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Exactly |
plantwomyn |
Mar-26-08 04:56 PM |
#112 |
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Agree and disagree. |
kdpeters |
Mar-27-08 09:11 PM |
#131 |
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If Blue Collar Republicans voting against their own self-interest is bad |
Dinkeldog |
Mar-28-08 12:59 AM |
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I think they're both equally unimpressive on our issues |
kdpeters |
Mar-28-08 03:56 AM |
#133 |
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I'm not certain exactly |
MuseRider |
Mar-25-08 01:50 PM |
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Don't worry, his fans and followers are able to interpret |
mitchtv |
Mar-25-08 04:10 PM |
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Yes, they are getting very good at it |
MuseRider |
Mar-25-08 10:42 PM |
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Well we need to be fair here... |
Tyo |
Mar-25-08 11:07 PM |
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And he used the cant of the "ex-gay" movement to do so |
TechBear_Seattle |
Mar-26-08 07:10 AM |
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I guess it's all relative, isn't it? |
Tyo |
Mar-26-08 08:01 AM |
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Obama's statement relies on the idea that all 300 million people in this country |
hulklogan |
Mar-25-08 04:18 PM |
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Thanks for posting this in full although predictably it's turned into an episode of W.O.R.M. |
Harvey Korman |
Mar-25-08 04:22 PM |
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Then he ought to speak clearly |
Cherchez la Femme |
Mar-26-08 03:31 AM |
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Bullshit |
donheld |
Mar-26-08 03:43 AM |
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Thank you for your insightful and well-reasoned rebuttal. |
TechBear_Seattle |
Mar-26-08 08:34 AM |
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Ya, deep thinker there. |
plantwomyn |
Mar-26-08 05:03 PM |
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Thank you Tyo. It is ever more clear what a minor issue equal cvil rghts are to 0bama. |
mondo joe |
Mar-26-08 08:42 AM |
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If Obama really cared about gay rights he would have used his speech |
Iceburg |
Mar-26-08 08:54 AM |
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Civil rights is a wedge issue now? |
Iggo |
Mar-26-08 10:25 AM |
#91 |
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You see that attitude a lot |
TechBear_Seattle |
Mar-26-08 03:49 PM |
#107 |
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