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jancantor Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:21 PM
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25. again, you can play the false equivalence all you want
Edited on Mon Nov-22-10 03:22 PM by jancantor
I never mentioned it.

Most of the horrific things that were done in the name of religion throughout history were done in the name of religion BECAUSE most people were religious, and thus people justified their evilness through the prevailing belief sytems.

I never said strong atheists are wrong or right. I said they are not skeptics. If I say bigfoot does not exist, I am not a skeptic. I am a denier. I have no idea if bigfoot exists. I am an agnostic. That's skepticism.

You can think religion is bad or good. You just can't ignore reality. The reality is that humans have a profound capacity for evil. That is neither the fault of, nor the result of religion. Utopians believed that if only religion were done away with, much of the evil would be. That has been proven wrong.

I don't care what your beliefs are, nor I doubt do you care about mine. This has nothing to do with whether there is a god or not. It has to do with the fact that religion is a human construct, and will thus incorporate human frailty. Religion doesn't cause evil, nor would an atheist society (and yes, we have ahd them) do away with that. You keep harping on the underlying truth of religion and/or christianity. I'm not. It's TOTALLY irrelevant to the topic. The point is that people have done evil in the name of every religion under the sun, and have also done evil in the name of official atheism, as well as have done evil because... well... they wanted to do evil, no religion or atheism or any other belief system or lack thereof involved.

That's simply the historical and psychological reality.

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