Reply #104: I guess I'm being forced to revisit the repetitions of the other thread... so be it.

[LooseWilly]

In the meantime... I feel constrained to point out that saying "it is a huge distortion of the level of SCALE" is an indulgence in what's now being referred to as "oppression olympics".

And no... I left off reading that other thread... because the responses I was seeing seemed to me to be largely repetitious and... well... they seemed to be consistently demonstrating a point that I had made and which someone asked me to post here as a separate thread.

Namely: That the attempt by a "community" engaged in a struggle for rights & equality which, for any reason whatsoever, attempts to deny the right of another community likewise struggling for rights & equality... is equatable (yes, I am talking in terms of mathematically '=') to that community reaffirming the legitimacy of the power structures against which that fellow community (the party of the second part... i.e. the one wishing to use a comparison) is struggling.

In other words... and this is essentially what my post here is saying... In My Opinion: In so far as the African American Community (if one were to take you, Kwassa, or omega minimo, or any others who disapprove of the shared use of a metaphor) denies the right of the LGBT community to use any metaphor that might refer back to the African American community... I believe that such attempts at denial are a re-affirmation of the "Justice" of continued oppression of the LGBT community.

I posted here presuming that there would be voices of the African American community that would reject the notion that they should deny the use of a metaphor to their fellows in struggle... I'm not sure if I was right or wrong to think so.

Maybe you have some new and compelling explanation waiting for me on the other thread... so I guess I will visit that... but if you just have more "the level of SCALE" examples of "oppression olympics" then I will really just be wasting my time, won't I?

--"It isn't just about tactics or metaphors, it is about SUBSTANTIVE differences between the two causes." The Aravosis article was, in fact, about metaphors of tactics. That's what it was. A metaphor about a specific set of tactics DOESN'T REQUIRE A LACK OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE CAUSES WHICH ARE THE 'FRAME' OF THE METAPHOR. I'm starting to get the feeling that I'm going to have to fetch a definition of "metaphor" and use it as a sig line...

"They intersect on the level of civil rights and principles" So why are you fighting the use of a metaphor where the two intersect?

"the history of the two groups is extraordinarily different, and the appropriation is misinformed, at best." No one has argued that the histories of the two groups is not different. An exact match of history, day by day, between parties, is not required for a metaphor.

Watch: I Am A Rock. You have just read a metaphor. Now... do I have to be "an American singer-songwriter duo consisting of Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel." in order to use this metaphor? I think we can all agree that the answer is no.

I guess I'll have to go to the other thread though, for an education on how the appropriation is misinformed.