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70. Careful...
Slowmega will accuse you of "bullying" now.
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  -Some thoughts about comparing the LGBT struggle for rights to other struggles for rights. LooseWilly  Jun-23-09 09:55 PM   #0 
  - k&r good sir  Starry Messenger   Jun-23-09 10:22 PM   #1 
  - This OP is continuation of discussion in a thread titled, "I'm a field Negro. What are our leaders?"  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 11:56 PM   #2 
  - It stands up nicely as an OP all on its own.  Lex   Jun-24-09 12:01 AM   #4 
  - It presents a misleading link that was not under discussion and begins with a false claim  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 12:06 AM   #5 
     - There's nothing misleading or false about it.  Lex   Jun-24-09 12:07 AM   #6 
        - LOL LOL  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 12:09 AM   #7 
           - The OP explained why in detail.  Lex   Jun-24-09 12:12 AM   #8 
           - Please read the entire OP. It's a compelling argument.  Duncan Grant   Jun-24-09 12:38 AM   #9 
              - Please do not make stuff up and pretend it's true.  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 12:41 AM   #11 
                 - Do not call another member of this message board a liar,  QC   Jun-24-09 12:43 AM   #12 
                    - "Ill asserter"? "No need to flame-out because you think this information should be suppressed"  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 12:46 AM   #14 
                       - Do you honestly think you're doing anything constructive?  ruggerson   Jun-24-09 01:00 AM   #17 
                          - Letting one know his games are ill and receiving an answer from another? Yes  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 01:08 AM   #19 
                             - What are you talking about?  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 01:13 AM   #21 
                                - It's okay, not you, thank you for your answer. Good luck to all.  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 01:26 AM   #22 
  - I was asked on the thread you mentioned to post a response I made as a post in its own right.  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 12:44 AM   #13 
  - Any reason you chose to not use the link under discussion, with slavery related title  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 12:49 AM   #16 
     - I felt that the Aravosi article was a statement of agreement with the Spaulding article.  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 01:01 AM   #18 
     - What difference does it make to YOU?  MNBrewer   Jun-24-09 06:44 AM   #24 
        - What difference does it make to YOU?  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 07:52 AM   #25 
  - It's a fine post. Get over yourself. n/t  donco6   Jun-24-09 01:13 AM   #20 
  - Back atcha bub!!  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 01:27 AM   #23 
  - what's your point?  sui generis   Jun-24-09 12:58 PM   #54 
  - Excellent. Thank you.  Lex   Jun-24-09 12:00 AM   #3 
  - I wonder that too, Lex.  Starry Messenger   Jun-24-09 08:38 AM   #27 
     - People can always play dumb when their agenda requires it. n/t  QC   Jun-24-09 09:50 AM   #31 
        - Okay, Hello? You 3 in a row have shown how "obtuse," "failing to understand" and "agenda" driven  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 11:33 AM   #39 
  - This is really well-articulated  Prism   Jun-24-09 12:41 AM   #10 
  - Thank you Prism.  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 12:47 AM   #15 
     - You did better than I would've  Prism   Jun-24-09 01:10 PM   #58 
        - Thank you sir...  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 02:17 PM   #66 
  - We Americans just love opinion over analysis, don't we? Our media is filled with  struggle4progress   Jun-24-09 08:12 AM   #26 
  - Are you gay? n/t  QC   Jun-24-09 09:10 AM   #28 
  - I carefully said exactly what I wanted to say in #26, thank you.  struggle4progress   Jun-24-09 09:43 AM   #29 
     - Just was I suspected--another straight guy lecturing the queers on how they should behave.  QC   Jun-24-09 09:46 AM   #30 
        - And I thought I made a general comment about American political discourse and the importance  struggle4progress   Jun-24-09 09:53 AM   #32 
        - Nah, it was just more self-important blather.  QC   Jun-24-09 09:57 AM   #33 
        - I'm always sorry to see progressive movements derailed by bullshit disruptor tactics or  struggle4progress   Jun-24-09 10:06 AM   #34 
        - "I can't hear you I can't hear you I can't hear you I can't hear you na na na na na"  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 11:42 AM   #42 
        - hahahahahahahaha  gaspee   Jun-24-09 11:09 AM   #36 
        - One concern may be that alienating and attacking allies for "fun" is a foolish mistake.  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 11:48 AM   #44 
        - It may seem like "blather" to you with so many words to read, but it is beyond the "self"  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 11:55 AM   #47 
        - in a calm, clear, communicative manner.  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 11:40 AM   #41 
        - and a white guy titled a piece "I Am A Field Negro...."  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 11:39 AM   #40 
           - Ahh, now I get it. Your problem is that you don't bother to read the linked titles!  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 02:43 PM   #68 
              - Careful...  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-24-09 03:06 PM   #70 
              - Then come the bizarre PM's. n/t  QC   Jun-24-09 03:17 PM   #72 
                 - Those are the best.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-24-09 03:20 PM   #73 
                    - Swarmhole!  Starry Messenger   Jun-24-09 03:25 PM   #74 
                       - With "Needler!" on the back.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-24-09 04:14 PM   #76 
                          - Yes, children it's all a big game where the fun is to alienate your allies and then blame them  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 07:19 PM   #84 
                             - If your support is conditional upon a message board, your support never existed.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-25-09 12:57 PM   #147 
                                - Perhaps you don't know what 'alienate' means. LOL or "allies"  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 01:20 PM   #151 
                                   - Here are the definitions:  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-25-09 01:23 PM   #152 
                                      - Sad  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 01:26 PM   #153 
                                         - Some compelling logic there.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-25-09 01:33 PM   #154 
                                            - .  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 01:34 PM   #155 
              - Didn't question when you claimed you were "not trying to manipulate context in order to push an..."  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 03:12 PM   #71 
              - I wasn't attempting to manipulate text. I was trying to shape an OP to stand on its own.  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 11:19 PM   #112 
              - http://www.america im-field-negro- what-are-our-leaders.html  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 07:50 PM   #87 
                 - You still haven't responded to the content.  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 08:17 PM   #89 
  - aye  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 11:51 AM   #45 
  - Struggles, I think you have spent too much time with sciences and law... you missed the Metaphor.  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 12:52 PM   #52 
  - It's nice that Aravosis has changed the title of his piece. The comment page still begins  struggle4progress   Jun-24-09 01:36 PM   #63 
     - Thank you  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 07:22 PM   #85 
     - If Aravosis changed the title of his piece, so be it. Discard the first two paragraphs...  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 08:20 PM   #90 
        - See #26  struggle4progress   Jun-25-09 12:50 PM   #146 
  - "we should hear about the experience of slavery from those who experienced slavery..."  Toasterlad   Jun-25-09 11:16 PM   #165 
  - Splitting off gay rights from progressive human rights movements is a rw strategy.  bluedawg12   Jun-24-09 10:37 AM   #35 
  - It's a strategy in which many of our recent visitors to this forum are heavily invested.  QC   Jun-24-09 11:19 AM   #38 
  - This sort of willful ignorance, misunderstanding, misrepresentation is harmful and splits  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 11:45 AM   #43 
  - exactly what is being  indigo32   Jun-24-09 01:27 PM   #60 
     - Perhaps if you read the thread this is a continuation of, it might help you understand.  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 01:52 PM   #65 
        - This OP is not meant as an extension of the other thread quoting Aravosis.  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 08:14 PM   #88 
  - Right wing BS has become sadly pervasive in the national discourse.  Starry Messenger   Jun-24-09 11:59 AM   #48 
  - Yes, it's amazing how hard to the right this place has lurched.  QC   Jun-24-09 12:05 PM   #49 
  - The notion that gay rights are not worthy of being called civil rights is a repig theme  bluedawg12   Jun-24-09 01:02 PM   #55 
     - Here's a good article I just found bluedawg.  Starry Messenger   Jun-24-09 08:33 PM   #91 
        - This wedge issue is fading in importance in the minds of most Americans as being divisive  bluedawg12   Jun-25-09 07:49 AM   #137 
           - Interesting. What are you basing that on? Who are "most Americans"?  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 12:38 PM   #145 
  - That's true. It does make one wonder. n/t  donco6   Jun-24-09 11:00 PM   #108 
     - No. It's not true.  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 01:02 PM   #149 
        - Yes, it is.  donco6   Jun-25-09 02:50 PM   #158 
  - Conservative (and "Liberal") moralists seek to de-legitimize LGBT civil rights and equality.  Duncan Grant   Jun-24-09 11:55 AM   #46 
  - they don't call 'em wedge issues for nothing - sadly,  bluedawg12   Jun-24-09 12:56 PM   #53 
  - and the funky thing is it's American rights  sui generis   Jun-24-09 01:02 PM   #56 
     - Restricting gays from the military is another example of dehumanization.  bluedawg12   Jun-24-09 01:06 PM   #57 
        - We can't let homosexuals serve in the military because they already are.  Duncan Grant   Jun-24-09 01:21 PM   #59 
  - Excellent post  enigmatic   Jun-24-09 11:15 AM   #37 
  - Thank you, LW  Laughing Mirror   Jun-24-09 12:19 PM   #50 
  - I agree...  joeybee12   Jun-24-09 12:50 PM   #51 
  - she also makes many broad brush statements reinforcing stereotypes & exacerbating misunderstandings  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 01:29 PM   #61 
     - she does?  indigo32   Jun-24-09 01:44 PM   #64 
  - It's a relief to see that all the heat in recent days has generated light.  Duncan Grant   Jun-24-09 01:33 PM   #62 
  - I am immediately struck by the number of times  Pacifist Patriot   Jun-24-09 02:31 PM   #67 
  - K&R thanks for the post! n/t  FreeState   Jun-24-09 02:46 PM   #69 
  - A terrific post -- K&R  Zenlitened   Jun-24-09 03:48 PM   #75 
  - i agree with some of what you write  noiretextatique   Jun-24-09 04:22 PM   #77 
  - Point it out...  joeybee12   Jun-24-09 04:51 PM   #78 
  - i've seen it several times right here  noiretextatique   Jun-24-09 05:51 PM   #81 
  - Some gay people experience racial and gender discrimination...  Zenlitened   Jun-24-09 05:05 PM   #79 
  - i know that  noiretextatique   Jun-24-09 05:50 PM   #80 
     - I guess I find your initial post even more puzzling, then.  Zenlitened   Jun-24-09 06:07 PM   #82 
        - not doing that at all  noiretextatique   Jun-24-09 06:40 PM   #83 
           - Very true. Log Cabin Republicans are a case-study in neurotic self-centeredness.  Zenlitened   Jun-24-09 10:15 PM   #102 
              - I woulld hope that among progressives we support the principle of equality and justice for all  bluedawg12   Jun-25-09 07:54 AM   #138 
              - i view them the same way as i do black republicans  noiretextatique   Jun-25-09 02:05 PM   #156 
  - IMHO the reverberations of AA history  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 07:30 PM   #86 
  - I'd be curious to hear you expound on your definition of "misappropriated".  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 08:52 PM   #92 
     - There is a reply in the original thread which you jacknifed off of that will answer & invites  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 09:07 PM   #93 
     - If you're being so damaged, get lost.  donco6   Jun-24-09 09:31 PM   #95 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-24-09 09:34 PM   #96 
     - Seriously, you might want to tone down...  Zenlitened   Jun-24-09 10:04 PM   #99 
     - Nonsense. And considering this is a continuation of another thread, you might want to look at both.  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 10:12 PM   #100 
        - You're disgracing yourself in this thread, you really are.  Zenlitened   Jun-24-09 10:19 PM   #103 
        - I hope you will look at both threads and the link to more historic info  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 10:34 PM   #105 
           - I'm looking at your posts in this thread, and find myself appalled.  Zenlitened   Jun-24-09 11:34 PM   #115 
              - ok  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 11:36 PM   #116 
        - Why do I find more responses to my questions in your responses to others than in responses to my own  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 11:50 PM   #118 
           - Is it b/c you are ignoring the post I made 45 min. ago and directed you to 20 min. ago  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 11:55 PM   #119 
              - After the dozens of inter-thread links you've made here... I'm waiting for another.  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 12:46 AM   #123 
                 - There were no "intra thread links." There was an "inter thread link" to the post which you found  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 12:51 AM   #124 
     - Twisted misinterpretations and insinuations?  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 11:33 PM   #113 
        - While you've been working this thread to death, since "not holding your breath"  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 11:34 PM   #114 
        - Not one  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 12:06 AM   #120 
        - #100  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 01:35 AM   #127 
        - Wow, three responses from the same person.  donco6   Jun-25-09 09:47 AM   #141 
     - I pointed it out in the other thread. It is a wild misappropriation.  kwassa   Jun-24-09 09:53 PM   #98 
        - I guess I'm being forced to revisit the repetitions of the other thread... so be it.  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 10:29 PM   #104 
           - "They intersect on the level of civil rights and principles" So why are you fighting the use of a..?  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 11:15 PM   #110 
              - I still don't find an answer that satisfies me as to why some metaphors are not acceptable.  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 12:44 AM   #122 
                 - OIC  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 01:03 AM   #125 
                    - Your references to history and horror...  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 02:00 AM   #131 
                       - OK  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 02:11 AM   #133 
                       - You haven't said anything new.  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 04:04 AM   #134 
                          - O  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 11:12 AM   #143 
                       - of course you are comfortable with the metaphor.  kwassa   Jun-25-09 08:48 AM   #140 
                          - "Your references to history and horror... still sound like a form of "oppression olympics"."  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 11:09 AM   #142 
  - I haven't seen that, either.  donco6   Jun-24-09 09:29 PM   #94 
  - I don't dispute the persistence of any other forms of discrimination.  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 09:44 PM   #97 
     - I think I see the disconnect ...  kwassa   Jun-24-09 10:14 PM   #101 
     - So you're telling me that I can learn more about the continuing struggles of the black community...  LooseWilly   Jun-24-09 10:57 PM   #107 
     - Yes, I am, through reading and studying  kwassa   Jun-25-09 08:32 AM   #139 
        - In point of fact I was not trying to portray myself as a scholar of African American Studies.  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 02:13 PM   #157 
           - Analyses which ignore the realities of Jim Crow  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 03:25 PM   #159 
           - well, you can't judge my qualifications.  kwassa   Jun-25-09 08:27 PM   #160 
              - .  Starry Messenger   Jun-25-09 08:47 PM   #161 
              - thanks for the heads up.  kwassa   Jun-25-09 09:15 PM   #162 
              - That is not a response to my post.  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 10:37 PM   #163 
                 - I still challenge you  kwassa   Jun-25-09 11:15 PM   #164 
                    - You challenge me?  LooseWilly   Jun-26-09 02:01 AM   #166 
                       - and what intelligent response are you looking for?  kwassa   Jun-26-09 10:38 AM   #167 
                          - Well, I'll settle for an intelligent analysis of why you think  LooseWilly   Jun-26-09 05:21 PM   #168 
                             - Anyone can quote anyone  kwassa   Jun-26-09 09:34 PM   #169 
     - He didn't say it gave him insight into the black community.  Starry Messenger   Jun-24-09 11:11 PM   #109 
        - a handout, a primer  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 11:17 PM   #111 
           - I read it and rec'd it when you posted it omega.  Starry Messenger   Jun-25-09 12:44 AM   #121 
              - Thank you, dear Starry  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 01:06 AM   #126 
                 - I think everyone here has a similar understanding.  Starry Messenger   Jun-25-09 01:36 AM   #128 
                    - anyone who targets and ridicules other groups for entertainment and bonding, surely has.  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 01:39 AM   #129 
     - Hilarious.You are familiar with aspects of the black struggle because you drove a cab in Oakland?  Uzybone   Jun-24-09 10:55 PM   #106 
        - If one drove a cab in San Francisco for 10 years, they'd know everything about gay life here.  Duncan Grant   Jun-24-09 11:43 PM   #117 
           - Well, maybe I should get to work on that...  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 01:40 AM   #130 
              - My husband knows someone who drives for Luxor (only twice a week) who does fine.  Duncan Grant   Jun-25-09 02:05 AM   #132 
                 - Heh... Luxor or Yellow it is (DeSoto must be working mostly from the airport these days)  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 04:12 AM   #135 
  - this is an excellent, though provoking OP- the best of what DU has to offer.  cali   Jun-25-09 06:36 AM   #136 
  - Well said, and to make one more comparison. Anne Frank could hide too, for all the good it did her.  imdjh   Jun-25-09 12:08 PM   #144 
  - That's not what this or the previous discussion were about  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 12:59 PM   #148 
  - I think comparisons to other civil rights efforts are apt.  Deep13   Jun-25-09 01:03 PM   #150 

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