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Tue Jun-23-09 10:22 PM
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| -Some thoughts about comparing the LGBT struggle for rights to other struggles for rights. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-23-09 09:55 PM |
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k&r good sir |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-23-09 10:22 PM |
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This OP is continuation of discussion in a thread titled, "I'm a field Negro. What are our leaders?" |
omega minimo |
Jun-23-09 11:56 PM |
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It stands up nicely as an OP all on its own. |
Lex |
Jun-24-09 12:01 AM |
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It presents a misleading link that was not under discussion and begins with a false claim |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 12:06 AM |
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There's nothing misleading or false about it. |
Lex |
Jun-24-09 12:07 AM |
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LOL LOL |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 12:09 AM |
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The OP explained why in detail. |
Lex |
Jun-24-09 12:12 AM |
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Please read the entire OP. It's a compelling argument. |
Duncan Grant |
Jun-24-09 12:38 AM |
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Please do not make stuff up and pretend it's true. |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 12:41 AM |
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Do not call another member of this message board a liar, |
QC |
Jun-24-09 12:43 AM |
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"Ill asserter"? "No need to flame-out because you think this information should be suppressed" |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 12:46 AM |
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Do you honestly think you're doing anything constructive? |
ruggerson |
Jun-24-09 01:00 AM |
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Letting one know his games are ill and receiving an answer from another? Yes |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 01:08 AM |
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What are you talking about? |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 01:13 AM |
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It's okay, not you, thank you for your answer. Good luck to all. |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 01:26 AM |
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I was asked on the thread you mentioned to post a response I made as a post in its own right. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 12:44 AM |
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Any reason you chose to not use the link under discussion, with slavery related title |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 12:49 AM |
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I felt that the Aravosi article was a statement of agreement with the Spaulding article. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 01:01 AM |
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What difference does it make to YOU? |
MNBrewer |
Jun-24-09 06:44 AM |
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What difference does it make to YOU? |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 07:52 AM |
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It's a fine post. Get over yourself. n/t |
donco6 |
Jun-24-09 01:13 AM |
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Back atcha bub!! |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 01:27 AM |
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what's your point? |
sui generis |
Jun-24-09 12:58 PM |
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Excellent. Thank you. |
Lex |
Jun-24-09 12:00 AM |
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I wonder that too, Lex. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-24-09 08:38 AM |
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People can always play dumb when their agenda requires it. n/t |
QC |
Jun-24-09 09:50 AM |
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Okay, Hello? You 3 in a row have shown how "obtuse," "failing to understand" and "agenda" driven |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 11:33 AM |
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This is really well-articulated |
Prism |
Jun-24-09 12:41 AM |
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Thank you Prism. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 12:47 AM |
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You did better than I would've |
Prism |
Jun-24-09 01:10 PM |
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Thank you sir... |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 02:17 PM |
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We Americans just love opinion over analysis, don't we? Our media is filled with |
struggle4progress |
Jun-24-09 08:12 AM |
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Are you gay? n/t |
QC |
Jun-24-09 09:10 AM |
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I carefully said exactly what I wanted to say in #26, thank you. |
struggle4progress |
Jun-24-09 09:43 AM |
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Just was I suspected--another straight guy lecturing the queers on how they should behave. |
QC |
Jun-24-09 09:46 AM |
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And I thought I made a general comment about American political discourse and the importance |
struggle4progress |
Jun-24-09 09:53 AM |
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Nah, it was just more self-important blather. |
QC |
Jun-24-09 09:57 AM |
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I'm always sorry to see progressive movements derailed by bullshit disruptor tactics or |
struggle4progress |
Jun-24-09 10:06 AM |
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"I can't hear you I can't hear you I can't hear you I can't hear you na na na na na" |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 11:42 AM |
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hahahahahahahaha |
gaspee |
Jun-24-09 11:09 AM |
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One concern may be that alienating and attacking allies for "fun" is a foolish mistake. |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 11:48 AM |
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It may seem like "blather" to you with so many words to read, but it is beyond the "self" |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 11:55 AM |
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in a calm, clear, communicative manner. |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 11:40 AM |
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and a white guy titled a piece "I Am A Field Negro...." |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 11:39 AM |
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Ahh, now I get it. Your problem is that you don't bother to read the linked titles! |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 02:43 PM |
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Careful... |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jun-24-09 03:06 PM |
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Then come the bizarre PM's. n/t |
QC |
Jun-24-09 03:17 PM |
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Those are the best. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jun-24-09 03:20 PM |
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Swarmhole! |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-24-09 03:25 PM |
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With "Needler!" on the back. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jun-24-09 04:14 PM |
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Yes, children it's all a big game where the fun is to alienate your allies and then blame them |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 07:19 PM |
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If your support is conditional upon a message board, your support never existed. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jun-25-09 12:57 PM |
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Perhaps you don't know what 'alienate' means. LOL or "allies" |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 01:20 PM |
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Here are the definitions: |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jun-25-09 01:23 PM |
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Sad |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 01:26 PM |
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Some compelling logic there. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jun-25-09 01:33 PM |
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. |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 01:34 PM |
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Didn't question when you claimed you were "not trying to manipulate context in order to push an..." |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 03:12 PM |
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I wasn't attempting to manipulate text. I was trying to shape an OP to stand on its own. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 11:19 PM |
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http://www.america blog.com/2009/06/ im-field-negro- what-are-our-leaders.html |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 07:50 PM |
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You still haven't responded to the content. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 08:17 PM |
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aye |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 11:51 AM |
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Struggles, I think you have spent too much time with sciences and law... you missed the Metaphor. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 12:52 PM |
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It's nice that Aravosis has changed the title of his piece. The comment page still begins |
struggle4progress |
Jun-24-09 01:36 PM |
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Thank you |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 07:22 PM |
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If Aravosis changed the title of his piece, so be it. Discard the first two paragraphs... |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 08:20 PM |
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See #26 |
struggle4progress |
Jun-25-09 12:50 PM |
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"we should hear about the experience of slavery from those who experienced slavery..." |
Toasterlad |
Jun-25-09 11:16 PM |
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Splitting off gay rights from progressive human rights movements is a rw strategy. |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-24-09 10:37 AM |
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It's a strategy in which many of our recent visitors to this forum are heavily invested. |
QC |
Jun-24-09 11:19 AM |
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This sort of willful ignorance, misunderstanding, misrepresentation is harmful and splits |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 11:45 AM |
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exactly what is being |
indigo32 |
Jun-24-09 01:27 PM |
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Perhaps if you read the thread this is a continuation of, it might help you understand. |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 01:52 PM |
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This OP is not meant as an extension of the other thread quoting Aravosis. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 08:14 PM |
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Right wing BS has become sadly pervasive in the national discourse. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-24-09 11:59 AM |
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Yes, it's amazing how hard to the right this place has lurched. |
QC |
Jun-24-09 12:05 PM |
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The notion that gay rights are not worthy of being called civil rights is a repig theme |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-24-09 01:02 PM |
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Here's a good article I just found bluedawg. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-24-09 08:33 PM |
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This wedge issue is fading in importance in the minds of most Americans as being divisive |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-25-09 07:49 AM |
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Interesting. What are you basing that on? Who are "most Americans"? |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 12:38 PM |
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That's true. It does make one wonder. n/t |
donco6 |
Jun-24-09 11:00 PM |
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No. It's not true. |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 01:02 PM |
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Yes, it is. |
donco6 |
Jun-25-09 02:50 PM |
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Conservative (and "Liberal") moralists seek to de-legitimize LGBT civil rights and equality. |
Duncan Grant |
Jun-24-09 11:55 AM |
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they don't call 'em wedge issues for nothing - sadly, |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-24-09 12:56 PM |
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and the funky thing is it's American rights |
sui generis |
Jun-24-09 01:02 PM |
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Restricting gays from the military is another example of dehumanization. |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-24-09 01:06 PM |
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We can't let homosexuals serve in the military because they already are. |
Duncan Grant |
Jun-24-09 01:21 PM |
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Excellent post |
enigmatic |
Jun-24-09 11:15 AM |
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Thank you, LW |
Laughing Mirror |
Jun-24-09 12:19 PM |
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I agree... |
joeybee12 |
Jun-24-09 12:50 PM |
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she also makes many broad brush statements reinforcing stereotypes & exacerbating misunderstandings |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 01:29 PM |
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she does? |
indigo32 |
Jun-24-09 01:44 PM |
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It's a relief to see that all the heat in recent days has generated light. |
Duncan Grant |
Jun-24-09 01:33 PM |
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I am immediately struck by the number of times |
Pacifist Patriot |
Jun-24-09 02:31 PM |
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K&R thanks for the post! n/t |
FreeState |
Jun-24-09 02:46 PM |
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A terrific post -- K&R |
Zenlitened |
Jun-24-09 03:48 PM |
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i agree with some of what you write |
noiretextatique |
Jun-24-09 04:22 PM |
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Point it out... |
joeybee12 |
Jun-24-09 04:51 PM |
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i've seen it several times right here |
noiretextatique |
Jun-24-09 05:51 PM |
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Some gay people experience racial and gender discrimination... |
Zenlitened |
Jun-24-09 05:05 PM |
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i know that |
noiretextatique |
Jun-24-09 05:50 PM |
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I guess I find your initial post even more puzzling, then. |
Zenlitened |
Jun-24-09 06:07 PM |
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not doing that at all |
noiretextatique |
Jun-24-09 06:40 PM |
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Very true. Log Cabin Republicans are a case-study in neurotic self-centeredness. |
Zenlitened |
Jun-24-09 10:15 PM |
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I woulld hope that among progressives we support the principle of equality and justice for all |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-25-09 07:54 AM |
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i view them the same way as i do black republicans |
noiretextatique |
Jun-25-09 02:05 PM |
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IMHO the reverberations of AA history |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 07:30 PM |
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I'd be curious to hear you expound on your definition of "misappropriated". |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 08:52 PM |
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There is a reply in the original thread which you jacknifed off of that will answer & invites |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 09:07 PM |
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If you're being so damaged, get lost. |
donco6 |
Jun-24-09 09:31 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-24-09 09:34 PM |
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Seriously, you might want to tone down... |
Zenlitened |
Jun-24-09 10:04 PM |
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Nonsense. And considering this is a continuation of another thread, you might want to look at both. |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 10:12 PM |
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You're disgracing yourself in this thread, you really are. |
Zenlitened |
Jun-24-09 10:19 PM |
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I hope you will look at both threads and the link to more historic info |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 10:34 PM |
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I'm looking at your posts in this thread, and find myself appalled. |
Zenlitened |
Jun-24-09 11:34 PM |
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ok |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 11:36 PM |
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Why do I find more responses to my questions in your responses to others than in responses to my own |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 11:50 PM |
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Is it b/c you are ignoring the post I made 45 min. ago and directed you to 20 min. ago |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 11:55 PM |
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After the dozens of inter-thread links you've made here... I'm waiting for another. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-25-09 12:46 AM |
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There were no "intra thread links." There was an "inter thread link" to the post which you found |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 12:51 AM |
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Twisted misinterpretations and insinuations? |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 11:33 PM |
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While you've been working this thread to death, since "not holding your breath" |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 11:34 PM |
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Not one |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 12:06 AM |
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#100 |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 01:35 AM |
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Wow, three responses from the same person. |
donco6 |
Jun-25-09 09:47 AM |
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I pointed it out in the other thread. It is a wild misappropriation. |
kwassa |
Jun-24-09 09:53 PM |
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I guess I'm being forced to revisit the repetitions of the other thread... so be it. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 10:29 PM |
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"They intersect on the level of civil rights and principles" So why are you fighting the use of a..? |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 11:15 PM |
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I still don't find an answer that satisfies me as to why some metaphors are not acceptable. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-25-09 12:44 AM |
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OIC |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 01:03 AM |
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Your references to history and horror... |
LooseWilly |
Jun-25-09 02:00 AM |
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OK |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 02:11 AM |
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You haven't said anything new. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-25-09 04:04 AM |
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O |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 11:12 AM |
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of course you are comfortable with the metaphor. |
kwassa |
Jun-25-09 08:48 AM |
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"Your references to history and horror... still sound like a form of "oppression olympics"." |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 11:09 AM |
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I haven't seen that, either. |
donco6 |
Jun-24-09 09:29 PM |
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I don't dispute the persistence of any other forms of discrimination. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 09:44 PM |
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I think I see the disconnect ... |
kwassa |
Jun-24-09 10:14 PM |
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So you're telling me that I can learn more about the continuing struggles of the black community... |
LooseWilly |
Jun-24-09 10:57 PM |
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Yes, I am, through reading and studying |
kwassa |
Jun-25-09 08:32 AM |
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In point of fact I was not trying to portray myself as a scholar of African American Studies. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-25-09 02:13 PM |
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Analyses which ignore the realities of Jim Crow |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 03:25 PM |
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well, you can't judge my qualifications. |
kwassa |
Jun-25-09 08:27 PM |
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. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-25-09 08:47 PM |
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thanks for the heads up. |
kwassa |
Jun-25-09 09:15 PM |
#162 |
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That is not a response to my post. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-25-09 10:37 PM |
#163 |
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I still challenge you |
kwassa |
Jun-25-09 11:15 PM |
#164 |
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You challenge me? |
LooseWilly |
Jun-26-09 02:01 AM |
#166 |
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and what intelligent response are you looking for? |
kwassa |
Jun-26-09 10:38 AM |
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Well, I'll settle for an intelligent analysis of why you think |
LooseWilly |
Jun-26-09 05:21 PM |
#168 |
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Anyone can quote anyone |
kwassa |
Jun-26-09 09:34 PM |
#169 |
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He didn't say it gave him insight into the black community. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-24-09 11:11 PM |
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a handout, a primer |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 11:17 PM |
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I read it and rec'd it when you posted it omega. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-25-09 12:44 AM |
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Thank you, dear Starry |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 01:06 AM |
#126 |
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I think everyone here has a similar understanding. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-25-09 01:36 AM |
#128 |
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anyone who targets and ridicules other groups for entertainment and bonding, surely has. |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 01:39 AM |
#129 |
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Hilarious.You are familiar with aspects of the black struggle because you drove a cab in Oakland? |
Uzybone |
Jun-24-09 10:55 PM |
#106 |
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If one drove a cab in San Francisco for 10 years, they'd know everything about gay life here. |
Duncan Grant |
Jun-24-09 11:43 PM |
#117 |
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Well, maybe I should get to work on that... |
LooseWilly |
Jun-25-09 01:40 AM |
#130 |
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My husband knows someone who drives for Luxor (only twice a week) who does fine. |
Duncan Grant |
Jun-25-09 02:05 AM |
#132 |
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Heh... Luxor or Yellow it is (DeSoto must be working mostly from the airport these days) |
LooseWilly |
Jun-25-09 04:12 AM |
#135 |
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this is an excellent, though provoking OP- the best of what DU has to offer. |
cali |
Jun-25-09 06:36 AM |
#136 |
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Well said, and to make one more comparison. Anne Frank could hide too, for all the good it did her. |
imdjh |
Jun-25-09 12:08 PM |
#144 |
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That's not what this or the previous discussion were about |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 12:59 PM |
#148 |
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I think comparisons to other civil rights efforts are apt. |
Deep13 |
Jun-25-09 01:03 PM |
#150 |
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