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Response to Reply #128
129. No confrontation on my part. Feel free to ally with LGBT people at any time.
We'll keep a chair warm for you. :hi:
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  -I'm a field Negro. - What are our leaders? by John Aravosis kpete  Jun-21-09 04:20 PM   #0 
  - another slavery comparison....it doesn't help.  Uzybone   Jun-21-09 04:23 PM   #1 
  - Don't worry about it - they'll blame black folks for Prop 8 in about 30 seconds.  BlooInBloo   Jun-21-09 04:29 PM   #3 
  - Clever.........  queerart   Jun-21-09 04:44 PM   #7 
  - Don't ruin knee-jerk reactions with facts  NMMNG   Jun-21-09 05:23 PM   #10 
  - he Blew it  mitchtv   Jun-21-09 09:32 PM   #17 
  - He won't be coming back fast, with his knees removed. n/t  donco6   Jun-21-09 07:30 PM   # 
  - What's your stake in perpetuating this myth? Who is this "they" of whom you speak?  Duncan Grant   Jun-21-09 10:54 PM   #19 
  - Time to run along to the sports forum and cry racism there now...  joeybee12   Jun-22-09 12:05 PM   #39 
  - Oh, great. I can hear it now. n/t  Fire1   Jun-21-09 04:32 PM   #4 
  - .  Starry Messenger   Jun-21-09 04:35 PM   #5 
  - Shhh  NMMNG   Jun-21-09 04:42 PM   #6 
     - Oh right.  Starry Messenger   Jun-21-09 05:30 PM   #11 
  - Pam Spalding is an African American lesbian who endorsed Obama in the primaries  dsc   Jun-21-09 09:22 PM   #16 
  - Don't you know?  NMMNG   Jun-21-09 11:09 PM   #20 
  - I didn't call or insinuate that the OP was a racist  Uzybone   Jun-22-09 02:19 PM   #42 
     - Careful there...  FreeState   Jun-22-09 02:25 PM   #43 
        - there lies the problem, the OP is oppression Olympics  Uzybone   Jun-22-09 02:31 PM   #45 
           - Comparing the struggles is not Oppression Olympics  FreeState   Jun-22-09 02:34 PM   #46 
           - I didn't say the "worst ever", I said "one of the worst"  Uzybone   Jun-22-09 02:37 PM   #47 
              - I was still editing the post when you replied  FreeState   Jun-22-09 03:15 PM   #51 
              - Comparisons there are. Offense may result from direct use of SPECIFIC history/imagery/terms that are  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 01:22 PM   #93 
                 - That door swings both ways. People are talking past one another.  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 01:37 PM   #95 
                 - Elie Wiesel: suffering confers no privileges  FreeState   Jun-23-09 02:12 PM   #101 
                    - Last call!!  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 02:14 PM   #103 
                       - You do realize that when people tell GLBT persons not to compare their struggle with earlier Civil  FreeState   Jun-23-09 02:26 PM   #106 
                       - It might work better  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 02:30 PM   #108 
                       - Your welcome I guess  FreeState   Jun-23-09 02:36 PM   #110 
                       - People can continue to make those comparisons if they wish  Uzybone   Jun-23-09 03:11 PM   #123 
                       - In the earlier Civil Rights Era...  MNBrewer   Jun-24-09 06:49 AM   #171 
              - The OP alludes to Malcolm X, and draws a comparison of tactics that a struggle for equality faces.  LooseWilly   Jun-23-09 01:48 PM   #97 
                 - A holocaust comparison would be just as unhelpful IMO  Uzybone   Jun-23-09 03:07 PM   #122 
                    - Your probably already aware of this but it should be pointed out  FreeState   Jun-23-09 03:18 PM   #125 
                    - Very much aware, thanks  Uzybone   Jun-23-09 03:24 PM   #130 
                       - Agree 100%  FreeState   Jun-23-09 03:28 PM   #133 
                    - You really don't get the difference between "institution" and "tactics", do you?  LooseWilly   Jun-23-09 06:44 PM   #143 
                       - ********************My God! That's a pleasure to read.********************  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 09:24 PM   #148 
                       - Well, how can I say no to so many asterisks?...  LooseWilly   Jun-23-09 09:30 PM   #150 
                          - With all this flotsam and jetsam, one must draw attention to a life line. :)  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 09:58 PM   #151 
                             - "I come to DU to be exposed to new ideas and quality discourse"  QC   Jun-23-09 10:16 PM   #154 
                                - Like Julie Andrews in the opening long shot from "The Sound of Music".  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 10:54 PM   #156 
                                   - I was thinking of Pollyanna!  QC   Jun-23-09 11:22 PM   #157 
                                      - Yeah, her too. Down to the maryjanes.  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 11:56 PM   #164 
                                         - I have that hat! n/t  QC   Jun-24-09 12:15 AM   #168 
                       - I disagree, Malcolm was making a slavery comparison  Uzybone   Jun-24-09 09:50 PM   #185 
                       - Technically, Aravosis was making a civil rights comparison.  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 01:12 PM   #194 
                          - "Malcolm X was not a slave..therefore quoting him & a comparison he made is not a slavery reference"  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 05:13 PM   #200 
                       - Perfectly stated  Prism   Jun-26-09 02:59 AM   #216 
           - Um....Far As I Can Tell, The Only One Claiming Gays Have It Worse Than Blacks Did Is You.  Toasterlad   Jun-22-09 07:26 PM   #74 
  - A mis-characterization of Pam Spaulding's meaning...that really doesn't help.  Duncan Grant   Jun-21-09 11:45 PM   #22 
  - Excellent post.  Zenlitened   Jun-22-09 11:55 AM   #36 
  - Good lord, you don't get it, do you...  joeybee12   Jun-22-09 12:03 PM   #37 
  - Some pretty outrageous assumptions there  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 06:36 PM   #141 
  - No, it doesn't. The other (Huffpost) essay by her that's up today also  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 06:38 PM   #142 
  - "What are our leaders?"  NMMNG   Jun-21-09 04:25 PM   #2 
  - only answer  kpete   Jun-21-09 04:46 PM   #8 
  - I thought it was "Aunt Liza"s  mitchtv   Jun-21-09 09:34 PM   #18 
     - That works too.  NMMNG   Jun-21-09 11:09 PM   #21 
     - I've read "Aunt Thomasian"....  AntiFascist   Jun-25-09 08:55 PM   #205 
  - I agree with you. It is not the BLACK thing it is the ownership mentality,  LiberalArkie   Jun-21-09 05:22 PM   #9 
  - thank you pam. nt  xchrom   Jun-21-09 05:36 PM   #12 
  - Separating the Field Negro from the House Negro was a divisive  FrenchieCat   Jun-21-09 05:45 PM   #13 
  - Lincoln made no difference  Prism   Jun-21-09 07:05 PM   #14 
  - The emancipation was economical as well as political. n/t  Fire1   Jun-21-09 07:30 PM   #15 
  - Your answer to ignored  gaspee   Jun-22-09 04:51 AM   #24 
     - Nothing wrong with being pissed  Prism   Jun-22-09 12:04 PM   #38 
  - Lincoln freed the slaves because he thought they would take up arms against the Confederacy.  Lex   Jun-22-09 12:02 AM   #23 
  - ... Viewed from the genuine abolition ground, Mr. Lincoln seemed tardy, cold, dull, and indifferent;  struggle4progress   Jun-22-09 05:44 AM   #26 
  - I know it's absurdly late in this thread to bother to point this out...  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 02:32 AM   #187 
  - Here's a "field negro"  struggle4progress   Jun-22-09 05:40 AM   #25 
  - I'm glad you put this pic up.  VespertineIconoclast   Jun-22-09 09:16 AM   #30 
  - I think Pam's House Blend is actually a great & informative blog. But she was coy in describing  struggle4progress   Jun-22-09 09:47 AM   #32 
     - Before today,  VespertineIconoclast   Jun-22-09 10:42 AM   #33 
  - "After they glue the anuses of homosexuals,  Laughing Mirror   Jun-22-09 03:30 PM   #52 
     - When confronted with this evidence, the result should be unity not enmity.  Duncan Grant   Jun-22-09 03:41 PM   #53 
     - Thank You For Your Post (nt)  queerart   Jun-22-09 03:50 PM   #54 
     - I don't think that anyone here is saying that suffering does not occur  VespertineIconoclast   Jun-22-09 04:16 PM   #55 
     - Pam Spaulding: Black, Gay and Reclaiming 'Civil Rights'  Duncan Grant   Jun-22-09 04:31 PM   #56 
     - Thank you for the great article.  VespertineIconoclast   Jun-22-09 04:57 PM   #61 
        - A pertinent voice.  Duncan Grant   Jun-22-09 05:15 PM   #64 
           - Exactly.  VespertineIconoclast   Jun-22-09 05:23 PM   #66 
     - Persecution is persecution  Laughing Mirror   Jun-22-09 05:56 PM   #68 
     - Thank you  NMMNG   Jun-22-09 06:09 PM   #71 
     - I hope to disavow you of  VespertineIconoclast   Jun-22-09 07:04 PM   #73 
     - Did you by any chance see my post in response to another poster on this thread?  VespertineIconoclast   Jun-22-09 06:56 PM   #72 
     - "you seem to want to make this a "tit for tat" argument"  Toasterlad   Jun-22-09 07:39 PM   #75 
     - Just An Interesting Fact  queerart   Jun-22-09 09:01 PM   #76 
     - I understand your ire;  VespertineIconoclast   Jun-22-09 09:13 PM   #77 
        - Wow. If You Thought I Was Mad, You REALLY Don't Know Me.  Toasterlad   Jun-22-09 11:05 PM   #82 
           - We are on the same page.  VespertineIconoclast   Jun-23-09 01:52 AM   #87 
     - We have the right to our COLLECTIVE history as gay people.  imdjh   Jun-23-09 01:09 AM   #86 
        - I know that you have not read my responses to some of the other posters.  VespertineIconoclast   Jun-23-09 02:20 AM   #88 
        - "Brief"? This appears to be playing "Oppression Olympics"  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 01:36 PM   #94 
           - Here's a link to post #56:  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 01:41 PM   #96 
           - Here's the point you missed  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 02:06 PM   #98 
              - Here's the point you miss:  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 02:29 PM   #107 
                 - "Our stories" are not all the same.  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 02:33 PM   #109 
                    - I didn't say they were the same, read it again.  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 02:52 PM   #117 
                       - Funny you say "people are talking past each other." That's what you are doing.  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 03:05 PM   #119 
                          - You saw that did you? But not the invitation to unite with LGBT people?  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 03:18 PM   #126 
                             - So far you have  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 03:21 PM   #128 
                                - No confrontation on my part. Feel free to ally with LGBT people at any time.  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 03:24 PM   #129 
                                   - If you bothered to read or consider any of my posts here or other posts and OP  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 03:27 PM   #131 
                                      - It's no game. And we don't have to make this personal.  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 05:50 PM   #138 
                                         - It is a game. Apparently you don't play fair. Just project and insinuate. No thank you.  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 05:56 PM   #139 
           - I think VespertineIconoclast is a person of color...  Starry Messenger   Jun-23-09 02:09 PM   #99 
           - Starry please don't be confused  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 02:13 PM   #102 
              - I'm not confused at all omega.  Starry Messenger   Jun-23-09 02:20 PM   #104 
                 - Your assumptions were incorrect  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 02:26 PM   #105 
                    - What assumptions?  Starry Messenger   Jun-23-09 02:40 PM   #111 
                       - .  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 02:48 PM   #115 
                          - .  Starry Messenger   Jun-23-09 03:05 PM   #120 
           - In the scale of Human History, 87 years is brief.  LooseWilly   Jun-23-09 03:07 PM   #121 
              - OK  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 04:00 PM   #137 
                 - Thanks for giving me more to work with, trying to figure out what you were talking about.  LooseWilly   Jun-23-09 08:51 PM   #147 
                    - "Taunt"? "Sanctimonious tone"?  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 11:30 PM   #158 
     - Be sure to thank jackasses like Andrew Sullivan who supported the invasion:  struggle4progress   Jun-22-09 04:33 PM   #57 
        - Do you honestly think people here have any admiration for Captain Bareback? n/t  QC   Jun-22-09 04:42 PM   #59 
        - Don't you just love  NMMNG   Jun-22-09 05:23 PM   #65 
        - You'd think that someone who apparently monitors this forum 24/7  QC   Jun-22-09 05:29 PM   #67 
        - I guess that response is easier than reading the LAT article I linked and recognizing that the  struggle4progress   Jun-24-09 08:16 AM   #173 
           - Any reasonably bright person knows that.  QC   Jun-24-09 08:48 AM   #174 
              - Your response can serve as a good example of the sort of tactics used to disrupt grassroots groups  struggle4progress   Jun-24-09 08:58 AM   #175 
                 - And your endless smug, masturbatory pontificating is an example  QC   Jun-24-09 09:09 AM   #176 
                    - Your response can serve as a good example of the sort of tactics used to disrupt grassroots groups  struggle4progress   Jun-24-09 09:50 AM   #177 
                       - Indeed  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 12:17 PM   #178 
        - He has as much credibility as Jayson Blair. n/t  Duncan Grant   Jun-22-09 05:01 PM   #63 
        - I cannot speak for either Sullivan or Aravosis  Laughing Mirror   Jun-22-09 06:03 PM   #69 
  - honestly, this article and this post is inflammatory. there are comparisons  La Lioness Priyanka   Jun-22-09 08:29 AM   #27 
  - I agree with your sentiment.  VespertineIconoclast   Jun-22-09 08:56 AM   #29 
  - i think depending on the time and the place comparisons to slavery can be made by the womens rights  La Lioness Priyanka   Jun-22-09 09:31 AM   #31 
     - To some degree, I agree with you;  VespertineIconoclast   Jun-22-09 10:57 AM   #34 
  - +1  Veruca Salt   Jun-22-09 10:18 PM   #78 
  - What "THE civil rights movement" are you referring to?  MNBrewer   Jun-23-09 10:23 PM   #155 
     - Are you unfamiliar with recent history?  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 07:54 AM   #172 
        - No, I'm not  MNBrewer   Jun-24-09 07:25 PM   #180 
           - Um, no, there haven't. Maybe you don't know your history.  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 07:46 PM   #181 
              - So, you're agreeing with me, then?  MNBrewer   Jun-24-09 10:12 PM   #186 
  - I think "house Negro" perfectly describes Barney Frank...  keepCAblue   Jun-22-09 08:47 AM   #28 
  - bingo,  kpete   Jun-22-09 11:25 AM   #35 
  - In re: this post being inflammatory or racist...  keepCAblue   Jun-22-09 12:05 PM   #40 
  - Thank you.  Duncan Grant   Jun-22-09 12:33 PM   #41 
  - Thank you  NMMNG   Jun-22-09 02:38 PM   #48 
  - This sums it up for me:  donco6   Jun-22-09 04:57 PM   #60 
  - If I was one of those gay A-listers invited to the White House, I would accept the invitation  Laughing Mirror   Jun-22-09 02:30 PM   #44 
  - Eartha is dead . . .  donco6   Jun-22-09 04:58 PM   #62 
     - Eartha was a field negro too, the real McCoy, from the cotton fields of South Carolina  Laughing Mirror   Jun-22-09 06:09 PM   #70 
  - It was divisive and unproductive when Malcolm X did it, and it is now divisive again.  kwassa   Jun-22-09 02:38 PM   #49 
     - the writer of the post is black  dsc   Jun-22-09 02:57 PM   #50 
        - It's an easy mistake to make. n/t  QC   Jun-22-09 04:40 PM   #58 
        - She can still be wrong.  kwassa   Jun-22-09 10:28 PM   #79 
        - You should sign up at her site and tell her how wrong she is.  QC   Jun-22-09 10:41 PM   #80 
        - Here is Mr. John Aravosis, self-identified Field Negro  kwassa   Jun-22-09 11:01 PM   #81 
        - Warning: Graphic images  Duncan Grant   Jun-22-09 11:38 PM   #84 
        - The difference between your images #1, #2, #4 and slavery/JimCrow is this:  struggle4progress   Jun-24-09 09:40 PM   #184 
           - Is trauma, violence and terror used as a means of control? Does it send a message?  Duncan Grant   Jun-25-09 10:53 AM   #191 
        - It seems everyone's stuck on metaphor vs. literal  Prism   Jun-22-09 11:48 PM   #85 
           - you wrote a very good note, but ..  kwassa   Jun-23-09 12:56 PM   #91 
              - So...none of the slaves were gay?  Starry Messenger   Jun-23-09 01:16 PM   #92 
              - again the person using the black history in this case is black unlike you  dsc   Jun-23-09 02:48 PM   #116 
                 - so that negates what I have to say?  kwassa   Jun-23-09 08:40 PM   #145 
                    - Now this is funny...  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 02:57 AM   #188 
                    - according to you, it does  dsc   Jun-25-09 02:27 PM   #196 
                    - no, it does not...i don't care for the analogy either  noiretextatique   Aug-08-09 11:38 AM   #222 
        - Pam lives in North Carolina  NMMNG   Jun-23-09 06:59 AM   #89 
           - As an AA and lesbian Pam has a right to quote MalcomX - except when it comes to gay rights?  bluedawg12   Jun-23-09 03:00 PM   #118 
              - Of course  NMMNG   Jun-23-09 03:19 PM   #127 
                 - True.  bluedawg12   Jun-23-09 03:28 PM   #132 
                    - Indeed  NMMNG   Jun-23-09 03:43 PM   #134 
                       - Pam was right, they have to suspend reality  bluedawg12   Jun-23-09 03:55 PM   #136 
        - And you can be wrong, too.  Duncan Grant   Jun-22-09 11:14 PM   #83 
        - I'd rather get results the right way.  kwassa   Jun-23-09 12:33 PM   #90 
           - The OP used the words of Malcolm X to make a comparison of tactics.  LooseWilly   Jun-23-09 02:44 PM   #113 
           - Pam called out the Pettifoggers in our midst.  bluedawg12   Jun-23-09 03:47 PM   #135 
           - There is a need for Pettifoggers to balance the effects of Historyfoggers  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 08:56 PM   #183 
              - Really?? This is your answer to the question of "misappropriation, or not misappropriation?"  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 03:55 AM   #189 
                 - The notion is one of codified, institutionalized, discrimintation.  bluedawg12   Jun-25-09 08:20 AM   #190 
                 - It is a disservice to your readers to downplay Jim Crow  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 12:35 PM   #193 
                 - Succinct and compelling. The parallels are unarguable, I'd say.  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 01:43 PM   #195 
                    - only if you ignore what Jim Crow actually was  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 02:34 PM   #197 
                       - ECHO... Echo... echo...  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 03:55 PM   #198 
                          - Given all the evidence, there's really no comparison, no "Gay Jim Crow Laws"  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 04:34 PM   #199 
                             - I don't know why I even bother to respond to you at this point.  LooseWilly   Jun-25-09 06:57 PM   #202 
                                - It's called history. It reverberates now. Your dismissiveness and use of "oppression olympics" is  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 08:39 PM   #204 
                 - Yes  omega minimo   Jun-25-09 12:26 PM   #192 
           - It seems that the point is that the tactic was divisive.  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 08:28 PM   #144 
           - It was meant to be divisive when Mr. X did it, in my opinion.  LooseWilly   Jun-23-09 10:07 PM   #152 
           - your misleading turnabouts are deliberately inaccurate para-phrasings and are quite nasty  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 08:21 PM   #182 
           - I notice that you didn't acknowledge the invitation to ally with and advocate for LGBT people.  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 06:00 PM   #140 
              - no, I just didn't step into your assigned role for me.  kwassa   Jun-23-09 08:50 PM   #146 
                 - Actions speak louder than words, kwassa.  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 09:29 PM   #149 
                    - when you are ready to respond to what I actually write, let me know.  kwassa   Jun-23-09 10:09 PM   #153 
                    - That behavior was also practiced by  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 11:36 PM   #160 
                    - If you have to vilify LGBT people, would you please be kind enough to do it out of earshot.  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 11:41 PM   #162 
                       - No one did anything of the sort and you know it, yet you claim it to be true. Unworthy and unfair to  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 12:03 AM   #166 
                    - Let it rest, kwassa.  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 11:39 PM   #161 
                       - Ah, see, another dirty trick, the reversal. I hope this doesn't do too much damage here. It can't  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 12:04 AM   #167 
                          - You're making a lame attempt to get this thread locked.  Duncan Grant   Jun-24-09 12:17 AM   #169 
                             - You're making stuff up and pretending it's true  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 12:38 AM   #170 
                    - Your actions are deafening  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 11:35 PM   #159 
                       - You're just looking for a fight. Any confrontation will do.  Duncan Grant   Jun-23-09 11:46 PM   #163 
                          - Not at all.  omega minimo   Jun-24-09 12:01 AM   #165 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-25-09 06:29 PM   #201 
           - You Know.......  queerart   Jun-25-09 07:41 PM   #203 
           - I'll be happy to talk to you when you calm down.  kwassa   Jun-25-09 09:14 PM   #206 
              - ha, you just got completely destroyed  Lex   Jun-25-09 11:20 PM   #207 
              - um, no.  kwassa   Jun-25-09 11:27 PM   #208 
                 - You sure did.  Starry Messenger   Jun-25-09 11:34 PM   #209 
                 - I screencapped it, too.  QC   Jun-26-09 12:09 AM   #210 
                 - Because you knew  omega minimo   Jun-26-09 01:42 AM   #211 
                 - Because it was truth to fucking power.  Starry Messenger   Jun-26-09 02:12 AM   #212 
                    - AND  omega minimo   Jun-26-09 02:29 AM   #214 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-26-09 02:52 AM   #215 
                       - So there was some other reason many poster were anticipating the post would disappear?  omega minimo   Jun-26-09 03:14 AM   #217 
                    - I've got screencaps of all of this.  Starry Messenger   Jun-26-09 04:08 AM   #219 
                    - No, it wasn't that, either. I also saved it.  kwassa   Jun-26-09 10:47 AM   #221 
                 - I saved it to a Word document.  Duncan Grant   Jun-26-09 02:27 AM   #213 
                 - I think . . .  Prism   Jun-26-09 03:25 AM   #218 
              - You were owned and then some  mtnester   Jun-26-09 08:32 AM   #220 
        - Malcolm X was black  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 02:11 PM   #100 
           - I admit to having no real expertise on Malcom X  dsc   Jun-23-09 02:42 PM   #112 
              - IMHO the poster explained some history, asked good questions, wasn't "telling black people"  omega minimo   Jun-23-09 02:47 PM   #114 
              - this is that posters first post  dsc   Jun-23-09 03:17 PM   #124 
              - Malcolm X  struggle4progress   Jun-24-09 12:49 PM   #179 
 

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