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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 12:21 PM
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60. But we ARE talking about events. Not people.
If a group of straight girls show up to drink and socialize and hang out, that's fine. There's no problem at all. If a group of straight girls show up with bachelorette party paraphernalia and wish to have their party at the bar, then the answer is NO.

Every private business has the right to restrict what events can occur at their place of business, so long as they are not discriminating against individuals who are members of a protected class.

A straight bar wouldn't have to permit a throng of drag queens to put on an impromptu drag show event in their bar, either. All bars (gay or straight) can ban birthday parties, too.

It's the EVENT that is the problem--not the people.
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  -Gay bar says I dont to bachelorettes WillBowden  Jun-16-09 08:01 PM   #0 
  - Thumbs Up! (nt)  queerart   Jun-16-09 08:03 PM   #1 
  - recommend -- good for him. nt  xchrom   Jun-16-09 08:03 PM   #2 
  - he's arguably in violation of state law  paulsby   Jun-16-09 08:06 PM   #4 
     - Anyone is "arguably" in violation of state law.  readmoreoften   Jun-16-09 09:55 PM   #27 
        - of course not  paulsby   Jun-16-09 10:01 PM   #31 
        - A group is not an individual- a group is expressive: that's where the arguably comes in. IMO  imdjh   Jun-22-09 08:47 AM   #90 
        - A closer cousin would be Guerilla Gay Bar  imdjh   Jun-22-09 08:52 AM   #91 
  - ban may violate state anti-discrimination laws  paulsby   Jun-16-09 08:06 PM   #3 
  - Such bullshit.  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-16-09 08:29 PM   #9 
  - have you read  paulsby   Jun-16-09 08:36 PM   #12 
     - Oh that's rich. The law will protect persons who demand to celebrate an upcoming marriage  readmoreoften   Jun-16-09 09:53 PM   #25 
        - the problem is  paulsby   Jun-16-09 09:56 PM   #28 
           - But we ARE talking about events. Not people.  Lyric   Jun-17-09 12:21 PM   #60 
  - We don't have to play the "monkey in a cage" game.  donco6   Jun-17-09 05:48 PM   #67 
     - Just like going to the zoo  Cherchez la Femme   Jun-19-09 03:28 PM   #86 
  - As an old straight broad who spent  Tangerine LaBamba   Jun-16-09 08:09 PM   #5 
  - I lived in that neighborhood when it was called "Newtown" in the 70s  Mari333   Jun-18-09 10:56 AM   #73 
  - As I understand it , it's near some baseball park. And it's still freezing cold in winter and hot as  imdjh   Jun-22-09 08:56 AM   #92 
  - There could be some legal issues here.  madaboutharry   Jun-16-09 08:15 PM   #6 
  - Correction. He runs a business that caters to everybody...  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-16-09 08:35 PM   #11 
  - he can restrict activity  paulsby   Jun-16-09 08:38 PM   #13 
     - He can restrict activity to more than SOME extent.  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-16-09 09:11 PM   #18 
     - no, it's to SOME EXTENT  paulsby   Jun-16-09 09:15 PM   #19 
        - He' s not stopping people at the door asking their marital status....  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-16-09 09:25 PM   #20 
           - bachelorettes going to a bar  paulsby   Jun-16-09 09:30 PM   #21 
              - You are telling me a bachelorette party isn't an event?  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-16-09 09:46 PM   #23 
                 - i agree  paulsby   Jun-16-09 09:53 PM   #26 
                    - He most certainly CAN....  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-16-09 10:22 PM   #33 
                       - Paulsby doesn't realize this is identical to "No unaccompanied minors" signs n/t  Occulus   Jun-16-09 10:45 PM   #37 
                       - what expressly prohibited behavior  paulsby   Jun-16-09 11:04 PM   #39 
                          - Sadly some bars cannot accept large parties  bluedawg12   Jun-17-09 01:12 AM   #42 
                             - one injustice does not justify another  paulsby   Jun-17-09 01:26 AM   #43 
                             - Oh? the first "injustice" was just policy, this is just policy re: large groups  bluedawg12   Jun-17-09 09:43 AM   #51 
                                - whether or not it's policy  paulsby   Jun-17-09 04:21 PM   #66 
                                   - Tempest meet teapot. I hope you weigh in on a thread about real consequences.  bluedawg12   Jun-18-09 09:00 PM   #85 
                             - Cocktail is a very large bar  AngryAmish   Jun-21-09 06:13 PM   #87 
                                - Huh?  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-21-09 09:30 PM   #88 
                                   - I was thinking of Sidetrack  AngryAmish   Jun-22-09 08:19 AM   #89 
     - Bullshit - it is entirely based on actions  whopis01   Jun-17-09 11:08 AM   #57 
  - There aren't. Within certain parameters, proprietors are well within their rights...  Pacifist Patriot   Jun-17-09 02:01 PM   #64 
  - Tolerance for thee but not for me.  timeforpeace   Jun-16-09 08:18 PM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-16-09 10:35 PM   #35 
     - !  bluedawg12   Jun-17-09 01:08 AM   #41 
  - !!!  guruoo   Jun-16-09 08:26 PM   #8 
  - Good for him  NMMNG   Jun-16-09 08:33 PM   #10 
  - at bars or other places of public accomodation?  paulsby   Jun-16-09 08:45 PM   #15 
     - Ocean Grove Pavillion ring a bell?  NMMNG   Jun-17-09 02:12 AM   #47 
     - Were you wearing a veil and trailing a gaggle of giggling girls?  donco6   Jun-18-09 07:19 PM   #79 
  - What a great way to make allies  Clintonista2   Jun-16-09 08:39 PM   #14 
  - Yes, The true mission of all gay bars.  Behind the Aegis   Jun-17-09 01:28 AM   #44 
     - So the true mission of all gay marriage bars is gay marriage?  Clintonista2   Jun-17-09 01:37 AM   #45 
        - Yes! You are so intelligent. I bet you are great at chess, too?!  Behind the Aegis   Jun-17-09 01:49 AM   #46 
           - If the true mission is to serve alchohol and make money  Clintonista2   Jun-17-09 04:44 AM   #49 
              - Sure. Letting in large disruptive groups out from the suburbs for their....  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-17-09 10:05 AM   #54 
              - BINGO!  donco6   Jun-17-09 05:50 PM   #68 
              - There are groups of women in every gay bar I've ever been to.  donco6   Jun-18-09 07:51 AM   #71 
  - the owner or bartender has the right to refuse anyone a drink.  madrchsod   Jun-16-09 08:59 PM   #16 
  - Doesn't a business owner have the right to refuse service to anyone?  Sebastian Doyle   Jun-16-09 08:59 PM   #17 
  - So the next time a business owner decides to ban gays from his bar, you'll jump to his defense?  Clintonista2   Jun-16-09 09:41 PM   #22 
  - Nice strawman, Dorothy  Sebastian Doyle   Jun-16-09 09:52 PM   #24 
  - That doesn't answer my question.  Clintonista2   Jun-16-09 10:23 PM   #34 
  - so he would be banning gays because of gay marriage?  sui generis   Jun-17-09 01:30 PM   #62 
  - He doesn't have to prove anything. If he suspects you're gay, he can kick you out.  Clintonista2   Jun-18-09 02:00 PM   #74 
     - so again, what is the problem?  sui generis   Jun-18-09 03:08 PM   #75 
  - If the gays are having a party -  donco6   Jun-18-09 07:52 AM   #72 
  - nope.  paulsby   Jun-16-09 09:59 PM   #30 
     - "the owner is not within his legal rights to deny access to certain people"  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-16-09 10:35 PM   #36 
        - except he isn't  paulsby   Jun-16-09 11:01 PM   #38 
           - "he is banning them because they are members of a group"  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-17-09 09:30 AM   #50 
           - Read the article  whopis01   Jun-17-09 11:18 AM   #58 
           - He absolutely can say "no bachelorette parties."  Pacifist Patriot   Jun-17-09 02:03 PM   #65 
  - I have mixed feelings about this, having gotten tired of being a zoo exhibit in the past.  QC   Jun-16-09 09:58 PM   #29 
  - +1  donco6   Jun-17-09 05:53 PM   #70 
  - Maybe the bar is banning them for their own safety and the safety of the rest of the clientele.  hulklogan   Jun-16-09 10:06 PM   #32 
  - The dominant culture coming to rub our nose in it. No thanks.  bluedawg12   Jun-17-09 09:57 AM   #53 
  - Good!  LeftyMom   Jun-17-09 12:53 AM   #40 
  - rAmen  NMMNG   Jun-17-09 02:16 AM   #48 
  - Ha! Wow! Great rant.  donco6   Jun-18-09 07:23 PM   #80 
  - Why should glbts allow hets to flaunt their marital privilege?  keepCAblue   Jun-17-09 09:55 AM   #52 
  - Legal or not, I'm glad he's making a statement & publicizing the issue.  qb   Jun-17-09 10:26 AM   #55 
  - Not gay ... go away. OK?  GeorgeGist   Jun-17-09 11:06 AM   #56 
  - They didn't say that -- they said no bachelorette partiers  LostinVA   Jun-17-09 11:25 AM   #59 
  - So, crash our institutions but we can't crash yours . . .  sui generis   Jun-17-09 01:32 PM   #63 
  - Not it at all.  donco6   Jun-17-09 05:52 PM   #69 
  - Newsflash, to those who are "outraged": this applies to gay people too.  Lyric   Jun-17-09 12:23 PM   #61 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-18-09 04:42 PM   #76 
  - Without commenting on policy, reading the statute  Ms. Toad   Jun-18-09 06:20 PM   #77 
  - Thank you!  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-18-09 06:30 PM   #78 
     - You're welcome.  Ms. Toad   Jun-18-09 07:50 PM   #81 
  - I'm Not Cool With Banning People. I'm Also Not Cool WIth Rubbing People's Noses in Shit.  Toasterlad   Jun-18-09 08:11 PM   #82 
  - That's pretty good perspective - it's not like Bachelorettes are being denied health care  bluedawg12   Jun-18-09 08:57 PM   #84 
  - Good for him!  Withywindle   Jun-18-09 08:44 PM   #83 

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