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Thu Apr-16-09 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #146 |
| 148. People who vote to take rights away from LGBT people are bigots |
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I don't give a flying f*ck what their "beliefs" are. Religion and faith are no excuse for being insufferable and oppressing others.
Now don't you have some atheists in R/T to bash?
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| -A thread for GLBT people of color |
ruggerson |
Apr-09-09 09:33 PM |
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do you only want African Americans participating in the thread |
TEmperorHasNoClothes |
Apr-10-09 10:27 AM |
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personally |
ruggerson |
Apr-10-09 01:47 PM |
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I almost started this thread yesterday |
FreeState |
Apr-10-09 12:56 PM |
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Let's consider this quote from Marlon Riggs: |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-11-09 02:05 PM |
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I hope this thread works out. |
Jamastiene |
Apr-11-09 03:59 PM |
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This is my first post on DU in months, and it's a question. Are you a gay man of color? |
yardwork |
Apr-12-09 05:31 PM |
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It really saddens me that people are deliberately trying to pit AAs vs. gays |
Runcible Spoon |
Apr-12-09 07:11 PM |
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Two kinds of people do that kind of thing - disrupting trolls and jerks. |
yardwork |
Apr-12-09 10:19 PM |
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Backslider! |
LostinVA |
Apr-12-09 07:41 PM |
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that's why I thought a dialogue would be useful |
ruggerson |
Apr-12-09 08:22 PM |
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I don't lay the blame on groups, either. I lay the blame on a handful of individuals. |
yardwork |
Apr-12-09 10:17 PM |
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I couldn't disagree more, and I am quite amazed you are digging this all up again. |
kwassa |
Apr-12-09 09:42 PM |
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How nice to see you again, kwassa. Still up to your old tricks. |
yardwork |
Apr-12-09 10:16 PM |
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Apr-12-09 10:20 PM |
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seconded |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 09:21 AM |
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Thank you, darling! |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 09:32 AM |
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like a moth to the flame |
Maven |
Apr-13-09 09:36 AM |
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Since my original response was deleted, I'll rephrase. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 11:18 AM |
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So, you have no evidence that a poster has called all gay DUer's racist? |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 02:26 PM |
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Apr-13-09 02:47 PM |
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Another distortion of what I said. How surprising. |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 02:55 PM |
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but |
Vanje |
Apr-13-09 06:23 PM |
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So which is it? |
dsc |
Apr-13-09 05:29 PM |
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Charged by who? |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 10:20 PM |
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I won't violate the call out rule |
dsc |
Apr-14-09 04:33 AM |
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I was called a racist 30+ times, merely for supporting Hillary |
LostinVA |
Apr-14-09 08:08 PM |
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I supported Hillary and was never called a racist. |
kwassa |
Apr-14-09 09:36 PM |
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You are conflating two things here |
dsc |
Apr-14-09 10:19 PM |
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This is the central point of disagreement. |
kwassa |
Apr-15-09 01:12 PM |
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The thing speaks for itself |
dsc |
Apr-15-09 03:57 PM |
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I disagree. |
kwassa |
Apr-15-09 10:46 PM |
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again you are conflating two different things |
dsc |
Apr-16-09 05:01 AM |
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what two things are being conflated? |
kwassa |
Apr-16-09 11:42 AM |
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When is it ever acceptable to revoke a marginalized group's civil equality? When? |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-16-09 01:17 PM |
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It is never acceptable. |
kwassa |
Apr-16-09 02:28 PM |
#146 |
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And shall we now contextualize the Mormons who voted "Yes on 8"? |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-16-09 03:26 PM |
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Yes, I would argue the same for the Mormons. |
kwassa |
Apr-16-09 08:12 PM |
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But you would agree that the KKK is comprised of bigots. |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-16-09 08:48 PM |
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The KKK is a terrorist group. |
NorthernSpy |
Apr-16-09 11:11 PM |
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Apples and oranges? Keep telling yourself that... (nt) |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-17-09 02:54 AM |
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The CCC then |
dsc |
Apr-17-09 09:56 AM |
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People who vote to take rights away from LGBT people are bigots |
NMMNG |
Apr-16-09 03:38 PM |
#148 |
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kwassa is making the argument that one can't call "moral" people bigots. |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-16-09 06:55 PM |
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People who work and/or vote to eradicate the fundamental rights of others |
NMMNG |
Apr-16-09 08:10 PM |
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No, I am not. |
kwassa |
Apr-16-09 08:21 PM |
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Oh, yes you are. Yours is not a progressive argument. |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-17-09 11:41 AM |
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And maybe white supremacists aren't motivated by bigotry, either. |
yardwork |
Apr-15-09 04:17 PM |
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and you are attacking me based on my race, gender, and sexual orientation |
kwassa |
Apr-15-09 10:52 PM |
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All I see is "Ignored," but I have a pretty good idea which pontificating white str8 man |
QC |
Apr-16-09 09:16 AM |
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"Yes on 8" voters are the people who were truly harmed by Prop H8's passage. |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-16-09 01:08 PM |
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Yes, actually, I can believe it. n/t |
QC |
Apr-16-09 07:01 PM |
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What rational reasons would a person have to vote FOR Prop 8? |
ruggerson |
Apr-15-09 05:49 PM |
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People vote as often for irrational reasons as rational ones. |
kwassa |
Apr-15-09 10:54 PM |
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It seems to me that you're trying to provide an acceptable context for denying civil equality. |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-16-09 12:51 PM |
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some people did overreach, and some posts were indeed racist |
noiretextatique |
Apr-14-09 04:40 PM |
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That sounds like what I noticed as well, as I've stated elsewhere in this thread. |
yardwork |
Apr-15-09 09:38 AM |
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i hear you yardwork |
noiretextatique |
Apr-15-09 11:26 AM |
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I know that black people are still oppressed. So are gay people. |
yardwork |
Apr-15-09 04:18 PM |
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i don't think there is a fight |
noiretextatique |
Apr-16-09 12:13 PM |
#140 |
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I have it saved it all its glory |
LostinVA |
Apr-13-09 07:35 PM |
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I stayed out of this whole war |
ThomCat |
Apr-13-09 08:42 PM |
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I don't want to speak in this forum at all. |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 09:39 PM |
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No. It seems like you are taking advantage of the worst |
ThomCat |
Apr-13-09 09:58 PM |
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Like this undeleted and unlocked thread? |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 10:11 PM |
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And your point is? |
ThomCat |
Apr-13-09 10:24 PM |
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Find those attacks and show them to me. |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 10:32 PM |
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Apr-13-09 10:41 PM |
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Do you know the difference between "some" and "all"? |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 10:51 PM |
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Here's one. You agreed with it, too. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 10:53 PM |
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Here are a few, without links of course, but the message was repeated often. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-13-09 11:14 PM |
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Yup. The people who are deliberately trying to pit one group against the other |
Maven |
Apr-13-09 09:34 AM |
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They're straight, that's for sure. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 09:43 AM |
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well stated. i missed you. nt |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 09:57 AM |
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Thank you. You're very kind. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 09:59 AM |
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..... |
marimour |
Apr-13-09 06:37 PM |
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How do you know I'm wrong that "a great many people still consider it insulting..." |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 07:14 PM |
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b/c you're basing it on a few random DU posters |
marimour |
Apr-13-09 07:35 PM |
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What are you talking about? |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 07:38 PM |
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Apr-13-09 07:55 PM |
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Yes, you are slandering gay people in our own forum. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 08:05 PM |
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wow you can copy and paste! |
marimour |
Apr-13-09 08:14 PM |
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You are the one making that equivalency, not me. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 08:45 PM |
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You distorted the meaning of that post, too. |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 10:44 PM |
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Yardwork is right, this was posted on the 10th and she replied on the 12th. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-13-09 10:55 PM |
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..... |
marimour |
Apr-14-09 12:05 AM |
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Prop 8 drama? Removing civil rights IS dramatic. n/t |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-14-09 12:41 AM |
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And I've seen 2 African-American women say they won't support civil equality for LGBT people. |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-14-09 01:47 AM |
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Oh, I see! Marimour didn't mean MY posts! Just posts LIKE mine! |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 10:56 PM |
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Similies are a biatch. Metaphores are a cake walk. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-13-09 11:20 PM |
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Apr-13-09 08:18 PM |
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Oh, Thom, don't be so thin-skinned! |
LostinVA |
Apr-13-09 08:29 PM |
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Of course. Reasonable people can Always disagree about |
ThomCat |
Apr-13-09 09:35 PM |
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Well said. I agree, based on years of observation. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 08:46 PM |
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who counts as color? if i do, and someone just argued a day or two ago, that i don't |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 10:10 AM |
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Exactly! I've seen disgustingly racist comments made by supposedly "gay" posters here. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 10:20 AM |
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Because it suits a certain subset of homophobes to argue that gay rights |
Maven |
Apr-13-09 10:36 AM |
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yes. meanwhile the hiv rates because of homophobia, internalized homophobia |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 10:45 AM |
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That's so sad. |
Jamastiene |
Apr-13-09 11:32 AM |
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many many reasons why we it's hard to discuss |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 01:16 PM |
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All true, plus another reason. People who are stressed tend to be conservative. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 01:26 PM |
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by smacking everyone who claims to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 01:36 PM |
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That sounds like fun. |
Jamastiene |
Apr-13-09 02:06 PM |
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In that case, it might take leadership from INSIDE any community |
Jamastiene |
Apr-13-09 01:42 PM |
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there are a lot of black leaders who view this struggle as a civil rights issue |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 05:16 PM |
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I agree. Not only is it a made up problem on DU, it was made up by a very small number of posters. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 06:19 PM |
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straight guys in general. |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 06:21 PM |
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I concede the point. Straight, anyway. Plus some self-identified gay posters. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 06:26 PM |
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Yes, there have been many many leaders in the African American community |
Jamastiene |
Apr-13-09 07:37 PM |
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I wouldn't put it past CNN to do something like this. |
marimour |
Apr-13-09 08:21 PM |
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Well said. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 10:45 AM |
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I remember the ugly things that were said, both in that thread and others. |
Runcible Spoon |
Apr-13-09 05:26 PM |
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I think that the poster upthread remembers, too. He's hoping others will forget. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 06:24 PM |
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you really like making stuff up, don't you? |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 10:34 PM |
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Some people have figured out how to indulge their homophobia freely |
QC |
Apr-13-09 05:44 PM |
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Bush like, actually. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 06:20 PM |
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That's a very insightful post. |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-14-09 01:51 PM |
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Thanks! n/t |
QC |
Apr-15-09 09:17 AM |
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Nail on the head |
LostinVA |
Apr-15-09 05:16 AM |
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I second that |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-16-09 06:59 AM |
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I second that |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-16-09 07:00 AM |
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ruggerson, this was a noble effort |
noiretextatique |
Apr-14-09 04:53 PM |
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thanks |
ruggerson |
Apr-14-09 05:32 PM |
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both, and...not either or |
noiretextatique |
Apr-15-09 12:53 PM |
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one thing: that very same system you say allows |
mitchtv |
Apr-15-09 02:50 PM |
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you are right...i didn't mean to diminish that reality |
noiretextatique |
Apr-16-09 12:16 PM |
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There are too many areas of the country |
ruggerson |
Apr-15-09 08:15 PM |
#127 |
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my story is personal to my experience |
noiretextatique |
Apr-16-09 12:22 PM |
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This entire thread is why I don't talk about it anymore. |
Chovexani |
Apr-15-09 01:06 AM |
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+10,000 recs. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 01:15 AM |
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*hugs* |
Chovexani |
Apr-15-09 01:34 AM |
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*hugs* to you too, Chovi. :) |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 10:10 AM |
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The moral of this story |
Chovexani |
Apr-15-09 12:31 PM |
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Love you, but you know that already |
LostinVA |
Apr-15-09 05:15 AM |
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Thank you. n/t |
QC |
Apr-15-09 08:05 AM |
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thank you |
ruggerson |
Apr-15-09 08:15 AM |
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Ruggerson, another lesbian person of color has been discussing this here very constructively |
yardwork |
Apr-15-09 09:55 AM |
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Maybe we can define these terms and why they do or don't matter. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 10:19 AM |
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Didn't mean to not acknowledge her |
ruggerson |
Apr-15-09 05:42 PM |
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Yes, and I didn't mean that you were the one ignoring her! |
yardwork |
Apr-16-09 10:20 PM |
#156 |
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Gay men and women of all origins are invited to discuss our lives. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 10:07 AM |
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Thanks! |
Vanje |
Apr-15-09 09:10 AM |
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Thank you. That's pretty much what I've been trying to say in this thread, but yours is better. |
yardwork |
Apr-15-09 09:53 AM |
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I'm not saying there shouldn't be any discussion at all |
Chovexani |
Apr-15-09 12:52 PM |
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Then we agree. |
yardwork |
Apr-15-09 04:15 PM |
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not a big fan of religion but some of wrights sermons are gods truth |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-15-09 04:46 PM |
#115 |
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So where do we go from here you guys? |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 05:23 PM |
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honestly, i dont think we can do anything. i can work within my community of color to raise |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-15-09 05:37 PM |
#117 |
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I agree with that |
Chovexani |
Apr-15-09 07:05 PM |
#126 |
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I agree with every word. |
yardwork |
Apr-16-09 10:22 PM |
#157 |
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I'd suggest that we start by not looking at it as "each others goals" |
FreeState |
Apr-15-09 05:40 PM |
#118 |
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well stated |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-15-09 05:46 PM |
#120 |
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Well, I agree with both of what LaLioness and FS just said! :) |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 05:59 PM |
#122 |
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I agree we need to have more voices |
FreeState |
Apr-15-09 06:06 PM |
#123 |
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My family is biracial too and we love our niece and nephew |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 08:56 PM |
#129 |
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There's a difference in how the homophobia manifests though |
Chovexani |
Apr-15-09 06:51 PM |
#125 |
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I had no idea. We still have little churches around here |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 08:41 PM |
#128 |
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Once again Chovexani waltzes in and ROCKS THE FUCKIN HOUSE |
Maven |
Apr-15-09 03:58 PM |
#111 |
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well said |
Two Americas |
Apr-15-09 06:41 PM |
#124 |
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I loved that post! |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-16-09 07:22 AM |
#137 |
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People who disagree with you should "die in a fire"? |
NorthernSpy |
Apr-16-09 11:10 PM |
#158 |
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Oh ffs |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Apr-16-09 11:16 PM |
#160 |
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A self-identified Heterosexual White Male hijacked your topic. |
roughsatori |
Apr-16-09 03:06 AM |
#133 |
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The very definition of privilege, isn't it? n/t |
QC |
Apr-16-09 07:01 PM |
#151 |
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