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Thu Apr-16-09 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #114 |
| 140. i don't think there is a fight |
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i think there was a deliberate manipulation of the the Prop 8 vote statistics and people reacted to that, not all the them were gay, by the way. classic divide and conquer. this issue, the black vote on Prop 8, and generated more noise and heat than it deserved because, as Brewman Jax pointed out, it wasn't black people who got that initiative on the ballot, and it wasn't black people who spent millions of dollars to get it passed. nor were black people, 7% of the population of california, "responsible" for Prop 8's passage.
i know you know all of this, and i am not accusing you of anything.
i just never understood, and don't understand the anger directed at black people for Prop 8's passage. i am still hopeful that the supreme court will have the cajones to stand by their first decision.
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| -A thread for GLBT people of color |
ruggerson |
Apr-09-09 09:33 PM |
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do you only want African Americans participating in the thread |
TEmperorHasNoClothes |
Apr-10-09 10:27 AM |
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personally |
ruggerson |
Apr-10-09 01:47 PM |
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I almost started this thread yesterday |
FreeState |
Apr-10-09 12:56 PM |
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Let's consider this quote from Marlon Riggs: |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-11-09 02:05 PM |
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I hope this thread works out. |
Jamastiene |
Apr-11-09 03:59 PM |
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This is my first post on DU in months, and it's a question. Are you a gay man of color? |
yardwork |
Apr-12-09 05:31 PM |
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It really saddens me that people are deliberately trying to pit AAs vs. gays |
Runcible Spoon |
Apr-12-09 07:11 PM |
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Two kinds of people do that kind of thing - disrupting trolls and jerks. |
yardwork |
Apr-12-09 10:19 PM |
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Backslider! |
LostinVA |
Apr-12-09 07:41 PM |
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that's why I thought a dialogue would be useful |
ruggerson |
Apr-12-09 08:22 PM |
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I don't lay the blame on groups, either. I lay the blame on a handful of individuals. |
yardwork |
Apr-12-09 10:17 PM |
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I couldn't disagree more, and I am quite amazed you are digging this all up again. |
kwassa |
Apr-12-09 09:42 PM |
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How nice to see you again, kwassa. Still up to your old tricks. |
yardwork |
Apr-12-09 10:16 PM |
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Apr-12-09 10:20 PM |
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seconded |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 09:21 AM |
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Thank you, darling! |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 09:32 AM |
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like a moth to the flame |
Maven |
Apr-13-09 09:36 AM |
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Since my original response was deleted, I'll rephrase. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 11:18 AM |
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So, you have no evidence that a poster has called all gay DUer's racist? |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 02:26 PM |
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Apr-13-09 02:47 PM |
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Another distortion of what I said. How surprising. |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 02:55 PM |
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but |
Vanje |
Apr-13-09 06:23 PM |
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So which is it? |
dsc |
Apr-13-09 05:29 PM |
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Charged by who? |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 10:20 PM |
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I won't violate the call out rule |
dsc |
Apr-14-09 04:33 AM |
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I was called a racist 30+ times, merely for supporting Hillary |
LostinVA |
Apr-14-09 08:08 PM |
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I supported Hillary and was never called a racist. |
kwassa |
Apr-14-09 09:36 PM |
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You are conflating two things here |
dsc |
Apr-14-09 10:19 PM |
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This is the central point of disagreement. |
kwassa |
Apr-15-09 01:12 PM |
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The thing speaks for itself |
dsc |
Apr-15-09 03:57 PM |
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I disagree. |
kwassa |
Apr-15-09 10:46 PM |
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again you are conflating two different things |
dsc |
Apr-16-09 05:01 AM |
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what two things are being conflated? |
kwassa |
Apr-16-09 11:42 AM |
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When is it ever acceptable to revoke a marginalized group's civil equality? When? |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-16-09 01:17 PM |
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It is never acceptable. |
kwassa |
Apr-16-09 02:28 PM |
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And shall we now contextualize the Mormons who voted "Yes on 8"? |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-16-09 03:26 PM |
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Yes, I would argue the same for the Mormons. |
kwassa |
Apr-16-09 08:12 PM |
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But you would agree that the KKK is comprised of bigots. |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-16-09 08:48 PM |
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The KKK is a terrorist group. |
NorthernSpy |
Apr-16-09 11:11 PM |
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Apples and oranges? Keep telling yourself that... (nt) |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-17-09 02:54 AM |
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The CCC then |
dsc |
Apr-17-09 09:56 AM |
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People who vote to take rights away from LGBT people are bigots |
NMMNG |
Apr-16-09 03:38 PM |
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kwassa is making the argument that one can't call "moral" people bigots. |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-16-09 06:55 PM |
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People who work and/or vote to eradicate the fundamental rights of others |
NMMNG |
Apr-16-09 08:10 PM |
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No, I am not. |
kwassa |
Apr-16-09 08:21 PM |
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Oh, yes you are. Yours is not a progressive argument. |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-17-09 11:41 AM |
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And maybe white supremacists aren't motivated by bigotry, either. |
yardwork |
Apr-15-09 04:17 PM |
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and you are attacking me based on my race, gender, and sexual orientation |
kwassa |
Apr-15-09 10:52 PM |
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All I see is "Ignored," but I have a pretty good idea which pontificating white str8 man |
QC |
Apr-16-09 09:16 AM |
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"Yes on 8" voters are the people who were truly harmed by Prop H8's passage. |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-16-09 01:08 PM |
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Yes, actually, I can believe it. n/t |
QC |
Apr-16-09 07:01 PM |
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What rational reasons would a person have to vote FOR Prop 8? |
ruggerson |
Apr-15-09 05:49 PM |
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People vote as often for irrational reasons as rational ones. |
kwassa |
Apr-15-09 10:54 PM |
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It seems to me that you're trying to provide an acceptable context for denying civil equality. |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-16-09 12:51 PM |
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some people did overreach, and some posts were indeed racist |
noiretextatique |
Apr-14-09 04:40 PM |
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That sounds like what I noticed as well, as I've stated elsewhere in this thread. |
yardwork |
Apr-15-09 09:38 AM |
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i hear you yardwork |
noiretextatique |
Apr-15-09 11:26 AM |
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I know that black people are still oppressed. So are gay people. |
yardwork |
Apr-15-09 04:18 PM |
#114 |
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i don't think there is a fight |
noiretextatique |
Apr-16-09 12:13 PM |
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I have it saved it all its glory |
LostinVA |
Apr-13-09 07:35 PM |
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I stayed out of this whole war |
ThomCat |
Apr-13-09 08:42 PM |
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I don't want to speak in this forum at all. |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 09:39 PM |
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No. It seems like you are taking advantage of the worst |
ThomCat |
Apr-13-09 09:58 PM |
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Like this undeleted and unlocked thread? |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 10:11 PM |
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And your point is? |
ThomCat |
Apr-13-09 10:24 PM |
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Find those attacks and show them to me. |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 10:32 PM |
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Apr-13-09 10:41 PM |
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Do you know the difference between "some" and "all"? |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 10:51 PM |
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Here's one. You agreed with it, too. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 10:53 PM |
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Here are a few, without links of course, but the message was repeated often. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-13-09 11:14 PM |
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Yup. The people who are deliberately trying to pit one group against the other |
Maven |
Apr-13-09 09:34 AM |
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They're straight, that's for sure. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 09:43 AM |
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well stated. i missed you. nt |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 09:57 AM |
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Thank you. You're very kind. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 09:59 AM |
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..... |
marimour |
Apr-13-09 06:37 PM |
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How do you know I'm wrong that "a great many people still consider it insulting..." |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 07:14 PM |
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b/c you're basing it on a few random DU posters |
marimour |
Apr-13-09 07:35 PM |
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What are you talking about? |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 07:38 PM |
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Apr-13-09 07:55 PM |
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Yes, you are slandering gay people in our own forum. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 08:05 PM |
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wow you can copy and paste! |
marimour |
Apr-13-09 08:14 PM |
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You are the one making that equivalency, not me. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 08:45 PM |
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You distorted the meaning of that post, too. |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 10:44 PM |
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Yardwork is right, this was posted on the 10th and she replied on the 12th. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-13-09 10:55 PM |
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..... |
marimour |
Apr-14-09 12:05 AM |
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Prop 8 drama? Removing civil rights IS dramatic. n/t |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-14-09 12:41 AM |
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And I've seen 2 African-American women say they won't support civil equality for LGBT people. |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-14-09 01:47 AM |
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Oh, I see! Marimour didn't mean MY posts! Just posts LIKE mine! |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 10:56 PM |
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Similies are a biatch. Metaphores are a cake walk. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-13-09 11:20 PM |
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Apr-13-09 08:18 PM |
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Oh, Thom, don't be so thin-skinned! |
LostinVA |
Apr-13-09 08:29 PM |
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Of course. Reasonable people can Always disagree about |
ThomCat |
Apr-13-09 09:35 PM |
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Well said. I agree, based on years of observation. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 08:46 PM |
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who counts as color? if i do, and someone just argued a day or two ago, that i don't |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 10:10 AM |
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Exactly! I've seen disgustingly racist comments made by supposedly "gay" posters here. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 10:20 AM |
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Because it suits a certain subset of homophobes to argue that gay rights |
Maven |
Apr-13-09 10:36 AM |
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yes. meanwhile the hiv rates because of homophobia, internalized homophobia |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 10:45 AM |
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That's so sad. |
Jamastiene |
Apr-13-09 11:32 AM |
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many many reasons why we it's hard to discuss |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 01:16 PM |
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All true, plus another reason. People who are stressed tend to be conservative. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 01:26 PM |
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by smacking everyone who claims to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 01:36 PM |
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That sounds like fun. |
Jamastiene |
Apr-13-09 02:06 PM |
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In that case, it might take leadership from INSIDE any community |
Jamastiene |
Apr-13-09 01:42 PM |
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there are a lot of black leaders who view this struggle as a civil rights issue |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 05:16 PM |
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I agree. Not only is it a made up problem on DU, it was made up by a very small number of posters. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 06:19 PM |
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straight guys in general. |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-13-09 06:21 PM |
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I concede the point. Straight, anyway. Plus some self-identified gay posters. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 06:26 PM |
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Yes, there have been many many leaders in the African American community |
Jamastiene |
Apr-13-09 07:37 PM |
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I wouldn't put it past CNN to do something like this. |
marimour |
Apr-13-09 08:21 PM |
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Well said. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 10:45 AM |
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I remember the ugly things that were said, both in that thread and others. |
Runcible Spoon |
Apr-13-09 05:26 PM |
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I think that the poster upthread remembers, too. He's hoping others will forget. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 06:24 PM |
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you really like making stuff up, don't you? |
kwassa |
Apr-13-09 10:34 PM |
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Some people have figured out how to indulge their homophobia freely |
QC |
Apr-13-09 05:44 PM |
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Bush like, actually. |
yardwork |
Apr-13-09 06:20 PM |
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That's a very insightful post. |
Duncan Grant |
Apr-14-09 01:51 PM |
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Thanks! n/t |
QC |
Apr-15-09 09:17 AM |
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Nail on the head |
LostinVA |
Apr-15-09 05:16 AM |
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I second that |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-16-09 06:59 AM |
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I second that |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-16-09 07:00 AM |
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ruggerson, this was a noble effort |
noiretextatique |
Apr-14-09 04:53 PM |
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thanks |
ruggerson |
Apr-14-09 05:32 PM |
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both, and...not either or |
noiretextatique |
Apr-15-09 12:53 PM |
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one thing: that very same system you say allows |
mitchtv |
Apr-15-09 02:50 PM |
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you are right...i didn't mean to diminish that reality |
noiretextatique |
Apr-16-09 12:16 PM |
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There are too many areas of the country |
ruggerson |
Apr-15-09 08:15 PM |
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my story is personal to my experience |
noiretextatique |
Apr-16-09 12:22 PM |
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This entire thread is why I don't talk about it anymore. |
Chovexani |
Apr-15-09 01:06 AM |
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+10,000 recs. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 01:15 AM |
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*hugs* |
Chovexani |
Apr-15-09 01:34 AM |
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*hugs* to you too, Chovi. :) |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 10:10 AM |
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The moral of this story |
Chovexani |
Apr-15-09 12:31 PM |
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Love you, but you know that already |
LostinVA |
Apr-15-09 05:15 AM |
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Thank you. n/t |
QC |
Apr-15-09 08:05 AM |
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thank you |
ruggerson |
Apr-15-09 08:15 AM |
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Ruggerson, another lesbian person of color has been discussing this here very constructively |
yardwork |
Apr-15-09 09:55 AM |
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Maybe we can define these terms and why they do or don't matter. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 10:19 AM |
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Didn't mean to not acknowledge her |
ruggerson |
Apr-15-09 05:42 PM |
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Yes, and I didn't mean that you were the one ignoring her! |
yardwork |
Apr-16-09 10:20 PM |
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Gay men and women of all origins are invited to discuss our lives. |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 10:07 AM |
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Thanks! |
Vanje |
Apr-15-09 09:10 AM |
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Thank you. That's pretty much what I've been trying to say in this thread, but yours is better. |
yardwork |
Apr-15-09 09:53 AM |
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I'm not saying there shouldn't be any discussion at all |
Chovexani |
Apr-15-09 12:52 PM |
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Then we agree. |
yardwork |
Apr-15-09 04:15 PM |
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not a big fan of religion but some of wrights sermons are gods truth |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-15-09 04:46 PM |
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So where do we go from here you guys? |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 05:23 PM |
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honestly, i dont think we can do anything. i can work within my community of color to raise |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-15-09 05:37 PM |
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I agree with that |
Chovexani |
Apr-15-09 07:05 PM |
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I agree with every word. |
yardwork |
Apr-16-09 10:22 PM |
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I'd suggest that we start by not looking at it as "each others goals" |
FreeState |
Apr-15-09 05:40 PM |
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well stated |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-15-09 05:46 PM |
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Well, I agree with both of what LaLioness and FS just said! :) |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 05:59 PM |
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I agree we need to have more voices |
FreeState |
Apr-15-09 06:06 PM |
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My family is biracial too and we love our niece and nephew |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 08:56 PM |
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There's a difference in how the homophobia manifests though |
Chovexani |
Apr-15-09 06:51 PM |
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I had no idea. We still have little churches around here |
bluedawg12 |
Apr-15-09 08:41 PM |
#128 |
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Once again Chovexani waltzes in and ROCKS THE FUCKIN HOUSE |
Maven |
Apr-15-09 03:58 PM |
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well said |
Two Americas |
Apr-15-09 06:41 PM |
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I loved that post! |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-16-09 07:22 AM |
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People who disagree with you should "die in a fire"? |
NorthernSpy |
Apr-16-09 11:10 PM |
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Oh ffs |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Apr-16-09 11:16 PM |
#160 |
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A self-identified Heterosexual White Male hijacked your topic. |
roughsatori |
Apr-16-09 03:06 AM |
#133 |
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The very definition of privilege, isn't it? n/t |
QC |
Apr-16-09 07:01 PM |
#151 |
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