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Response to Reply #108
110. The thing speaks for itself
What possible concern could they have that wasn't biggoted nonsense? I notice you didn't contest my other examples (gee I wonder why). This wasn't refusing to vote for a gay candidate who may or may not have had views that were problematic. The one and only purpose of prop 8 was to permanently take away rights from a group of people. If that isn't bald faced bigotry I don't know what is.
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  -A thread for GLBT people of color ruggerson  Apr-09-09 09:33 PM   #0 
  - do you only want African Americans participating in the thread  TEmperorHasNoClothes   Apr-10-09 10:27 AM   #1 
  - personally  ruggerson   Apr-10-09 01:47 PM   #3 
  - I almost started this thread yesterday  FreeState   Apr-10-09 12:56 PM   #2 
  - Let's consider this quote from Marlon Riggs:  Duncan Grant   Apr-11-09 02:05 PM   #4 
  - I hope this thread works out.  Jamastiene   Apr-11-09 03:59 PM   #5 
  - This is my first post on DU in months, and it's a question. Are you a gay man of color?  yardwork   Apr-12-09 05:31 PM   #6 
  - It really saddens me that people are deliberately trying to pit AAs vs. gays  Runcible Spoon   Apr-12-09 07:11 PM   #7 
  - Two kinds of people do that kind of thing - disrupting trolls and jerks.  yardwork   Apr-12-09 10:19 PM   #13 
  - Backslider!  LostinVA   Apr-12-09 07:41 PM   #8 
  - that's why I thought a dialogue would be useful  ruggerson   Apr-12-09 08:22 PM   #9 
  - I don't lay the blame on groups, either. I lay the blame on a handful of individuals.  yardwork   Apr-12-09 10:17 PM   #12 
  - I couldn't disagree more, and I am quite amazed you are digging this all up again.  kwassa   Apr-12-09 09:42 PM   #10 
  - How nice to see you again, kwassa. Still up to your old tricks.  yardwork   Apr-12-09 10:16 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-12-09 10:20 PM   #14 
  - seconded  La Lioness Priyanka   Apr-13-09 09:21 AM   #15 
     - Thank you, darling!  yardwork   Apr-13-09 09:32 AM   #16 
  - like a moth to the flame  Maven   Apr-13-09 09:36 AM   #18 
  - Since my original response was deleted, I'll rephrase.  yardwork   Apr-13-09 11:18 AM   #27 
  - So, you have no evidence that a poster has called all gay DUer's racist?  kwassa   Apr-13-09 02:26 PM   #34 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-09 02:47 PM   #35 
  - Another distortion of what I said. How surprising.  kwassa   Apr-13-09 02:55 PM   #36 
  - but  Vanje   Apr-13-09 06:23 PM   #44 
  - So which is it?  dsc   Apr-13-09 05:29 PM   #39 
     - Charged by who?  kwassa   Apr-13-09 10:20 PM   #66 
     - I won't violate the call out rule  dsc   Apr-14-09 04:33 AM   #81 
     - I was called a racist 30+ times, merely for supporting Hillary  LostinVA   Apr-14-09 08:08 PM   #86 
        - I supported Hillary and was never called a racist.  kwassa   Apr-14-09 09:36 PM   #87 
           - You are conflating two things here  dsc   Apr-14-09 10:19 PM   #88 
              - This is the central point of disagreement.  kwassa   Apr-15-09 01:12 PM   #108 
                 - The thing speaks for itself  dsc   Apr-15-09 03:57 PM   #110 
                 - I disagree.  kwassa   Apr-15-09 10:46 PM   #130 
                    - again you are conflating two different things  dsc   Apr-16-09 05:01 AM   #134 
                       - what two things are being conflated?  kwassa   Apr-16-09 11:42 AM   #139 
                          - When is it ever acceptable to revoke a marginalized group's civil equality? When?  Duncan Grant   Apr-16-09 01:17 PM   #145 
                             - It is never acceptable.  kwassa   Apr-16-09 02:28 PM   #146 
                                - And shall we now contextualize the Mormons who voted "Yes on 8"?  Duncan Grant   Apr-16-09 03:26 PM   #147 
                                - Yes, I would argue the same for the Mormons.  kwassa   Apr-16-09 08:12 PM   #153 
                                   - But you would agree that the KKK is comprised of bigots.  Duncan Grant   Apr-16-09 08:48 PM   #155 
                                   - The KKK is a terrorist group.  NorthernSpy   Apr-16-09 11:11 PM   #159 
                                   - Apples and oranges? Keep telling yourself that... (nt)  Duncan Grant   Apr-17-09 02:54 AM   #161 
                                   - The CCC then  dsc   Apr-17-09 09:56 AM   #162 
                                - People who vote to take rights away from LGBT people are bigots  NMMNG   Apr-16-09 03:38 PM   #148 
                                   - kwassa is making the argument that one can't call "moral" people bigots.  Duncan Grant   Apr-16-09 06:55 PM   #149 
                                      - People who work and/or vote to eradicate the fundamental rights of others  NMMNG   Apr-16-09 08:10 PM   #152 
                                      - No, I am not.  kwassa   Apr-16-09 08:21 PM   #154 
                                      - Oh, yes you are. Yours is not a progressive argument.  Duncan Grant   Apr-17-09 11:41 AM   #163 
                 - And maybe white supremacists aren't motivated by bigotry, either.  yardwork   Apr-15-09 04:17 PM   #113 
                 - and you are attacking me based on my race, gender, and sexual orientation  kwassa   Apr-15-09 10:52 PM   #131 
                 - All I see is "Ignored," but I have a pretty good idea which pontificating white str8 man  QC   Apr-16-09 09:16 AM   #138 
                    - "Yes on 8" voters are the people who were truly harmed by Prop H8's passage.  Duncan Grant   Apr-16-09 01:08 PM   #144 
                       - Yes, actually, I can believe it. n/t  QC   Apr-16-09 07:01 PM   #150 
                 - What rational reasons would a person have to vote FOR Prop 8?  ruggerson   Apr-15-09 05:49 PM   #121 
                    - People vote as often for irrational reasons as rational ones.  kwassa   Apr-15-09 10:54 PM   #132 
                       - It seems to me that you're trying to provide an acceptable context for denying civil equality.  Duncan Grant   Apr-16-09 12:51 PM   #143 
     - some people did overreach, and some posts were indeed racist  noiretextatique   Apr-14-09 04:40 PM   #83 
        - That sounds like what I noticed as well, as I've stated elsewhere in this thread.  yardwork   Apr-15-09 09:38 AM   #98 
           - i hear you yardwork  noiretextatique   Apr-15-09 11:26 AM   #104 
              - I know that black people are still oppressed. So are gay people.  yardwork   Apr-15-09 04:18 PM   #114 
                 - i don't think there is a fight  noiretextatique   Apr-16-09 12:13 PM   #140 
  - I have it saved it all its glory  LostinVA   Apr-13-09 07:35 PM   #50 
  - I stayed out of this whole war  ThomCat   Apr-13-09 08:42 PM   #59 
     - I don't want to speak in this forum at all.  kwassa   Apr-13-09 09:39 PM   #63 
        - No. It seems like you are taking advantage of the worst  ThomCat   Apr-13-09 09:58 PM   #64 
           - Like this undeleted and unlocked thread?  kwassa   Apr-13-09 10:11 PM   #65 
              - And your point is?  ThomCat   Apr-13-09 10:24 PM   #67 
                 - Find those attacks and show them to me.  kwassa   Apr-13-09 10:32 PM   #68 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-09 10:41 PM   #70 
                    - Do you know the difference between "some" and "all"?  kwassa   Apr-13-09 10:51 PM   #72 
                    - Here's one. You agreed with it, too.  yardwork   Apr-13-09 10:53 PM   #73 
                       - Here are a few, without links of course, but the message was repeated often.  bluedawg12   Apr-13-09 11:14 PM   #76 
  - Yup. The people who are deliberately trying to pit one group against the other  Maven   Apr-13-09 09:34 AM   #17 
  - They're straight, that's for sure.  yardwork   Apr-13-09 09:43 AM   #19 
     - well stated. i missed you. nt  La Lioness Priyanka   Apr-13-09 09:57 AM   #20 
     - Thank you. You're very kind.  yardwork   Apr-13-09 09:59 AM   #21 
     - .....  marimour   Apr-13-09 06:37 PM   #47 
        - How do you know I'm wrong that "a great many people still consider it insulting..."  yardwork   Apr-13-09 07:14 PM   #48 
           - b/c you're basing it on a few random DU posters  marimour   Apr-13-09 07:35 PM   #49 
              - What are you talking about?  yardwork   Apr-13-09 07:38 PM   #52 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-09 07:55 PM   #53 
                    - Yes, you are slandering gay people in our own forum.  yardwork   Apr-13-09 08:05 PM   #54 
                       - wow you can copy and paste!  marimour   Apr-13-09 08:14 PM   #55 
                          - You are the one making that equivalency, not me.  yardwork   Apr-13-09 08:45 PM   #60 
                             - You distorted the meaning of that post, too.  kwassa   Apr-13-09 10:44 PM   #71 
                                - Yardwork is right, this was posted on the 10th and she replied on the 12th.  bluedawg12   Apr-13-09 10:55 PM   #74 
                                - .....  marimour   Apr-14-09 12:05 AM   #78 
                                   - Prop 8 drama? Removing civil rights IS dramatic. n/t  bluedawg12   Apr-14-09 12:41 AM   #79 
                                   - And I've seen 2 African-American women say they won't support civil equality for LGBT people.  Duncan Grant   Apr-14-09 01:47 AM   #80 
                                - Oh, I see! Marimour didn't mean MY posts! Just posts LIKE mine!  yardwork   Apr-13-09 10:56 PM   #75 
                                   - Similies are a biatch. Metaphores are a cake walk.  bluedawg12   Apr-13-09 11:20 PM   #77 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-09 08:18 PM   #56 
     - Oh, Thom, don't be so thin-skinned!  LostinVA   Apr-13-09 08:29 PM   #58 
     - Of course. Reasonable people can Always disagree about  ThomCat   Apr-13-09 09:35 PM   #62 
     - Well said. I agree, based on years of observation.  yardwork   Apr-13-09 08:46 PM   #61 
  - who counts as color? if i do, and someone just argued a day or two ago, that i don't  La Lioness Priyanka   Apr-13-09 10:10 AM   #22 
  - Exactly! I've seen disgustingly racist comments made by supposedly "gay" posters here.  yardwork   Apr-13-09 10:20 AM   #23 
  - Because it suits a certain subset of homophobes to argue that gay rights  Maven   Apr-13-09 10:36 AM   #24 
  - yes. meanwhile the hiv rates because of homophobia, internalized homophobia  La Lioness Priyanka   Apr-13-09 10:45 AM   #25 
  - That's so sad.  Jamastiene   Apr-13-09 11:32 AM   #28 
     - many many reasons why we it's hard to discuss  La Lioness Priyanka   Apr-13-09 01:16 PM   #29 
        - All true, plus another reason. People who are stressed tend to be conservative.  yardwork   Apr-13-09 01:26 PM   #30 
        - by smacking everyone who claims to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal  La Lioness Priyanka   Apr-13-09 01:36 PM   #31 
           - That sounds like fun.  Jamastiene   Apr-13-09 02:06 PM   #33 
        - In that case, it might take leadership from INSIDE any community  Jamastiene   Apr-13-09 01:42 PM   #32 
           - there are a lot of black leaders who view this struggle as a civil rights issue  La Lioness Priyanka   Apr-13-09 05:16 PM   #37 
              - I agree. Not only is it a made up problem on DU, it was made up by a very small number of posters.  yardwork   Apr-13-09 06:19 PM   #41 
              - straight guys in general.  La Lioness Priyanka   Apr-13-09 06:21 PM   #43 
                 - I concede the point. Straight, anyway. Plus some self-identified gay posters.  yardwork   Apr-13-09 06:26 PM   #46 
              - Yes, there have been many many leaders in the African American community  Jamastiene   Apr-13-09 07:37 PM   #51 
                 - I wouldn't put it past CNN to do something like this.  marimour   Apr-13-09 08:21 PM   #57 
  - Well said.  yardwork   Apr-13-09 10:45 AM   #26 
  - I remember the ugly things that were said, both in that thread and others.  Runcible Spoon   Apr-13-09 05:26 PM   #38 
  - I think that the poster upthread remembers, too. He's hoping others will forget.  yardwork   Apr-13-09 06:24 PM   #45 
     - you really like making stuff up, don't you?  kwassa   Apr-13-09 10:34 PM   #69 
  - Some people have figured out how to indulge their homophobia freely  QC   Apr-13-09 05:44 PM   #40 
  - Bush like, actually.  yardwork   Apr-13-09 06:20 PM   #42 
  - That's a very insightful post.  Duncan Grant   Apr-14-09 01:51 PM   #82 
  - Thanks! n/t  QC   Apr-15-09 09:17 AM   #97 
  - Nail on the head  LostinVA   Apr-15-09 05:16 AM   #93 
  - I second that  Bluenorthwest   Apr-16-09 06:59 AM   #135 
  - I second that  Bluenorthwest   Apr-16-09 07:00 AM   #136 
  - ruggerson, this was a noble effort  noiretextatique   Apr-14-09 04:53 PM   #84 
  - thanks  ruggerson   Apr-14-09 05:32 PM   #85 
     - both, and...not either or  noiretextatique   Apr-15-09 12:53 PM   #107 
        - one thing: that very same system you say allows  mitchtv   Apr-15-09 02:50 PM   #109 
        - you are right...i didn't mean to diminish that reality  noiretextatique   Apr-16-09 12:16 PM   #141 
        - There are too many areas of the country  ruggerson   Apr-15-09 08:15 PM   #127 
           - my story is personal to my experience  noiretextatique   Apr-16-09 12:22 PM   #142 
  - This entire thread is why I don't talk about it anymore.  Chovexani   Apr-15-09 01:06 AM   #89 
  - +10,000 recs.  bluedawg12   Apr-15-09 01:15 AM   #90 
  - *hugs*  Chovexani   Apr-15-09 01:34 AM   #91 
     - *hugs* to you too, Chovi. :)  bluedawg12   Apr-15-09 10:10 AM   #102 
        - The moral of this story  Chovexani   Apr-15-09 12:31 PM   #105 
  - Love you, but you know that already  LostinVA   Apr-15-09 05:15 AM   #92 
  - Thank you. n/t  QC   Apr-15-09 08:05 AM   #94 
  - thank you  ruggerson   Apr-15-09 08:15 AM   #95 
  - Ruggerson, another lesbian person of color has been discussing this here very constructively  yardwork   Apr-15-09 09:55 AM   #100 
  - Maybe we can define these terms and why they do or don't matter.  bluedawg12   Apr-15-09 10:19 AM   #103 
  - Didn't mean to not acknowledge her  ruggerson   Apr-15-09 05:42 PM   #119 
     - Yes, and I didn't mean that you were the one ignoring her!  yardwork   Apr-16-09 10:20 PM   #156 
  - Gay men and women of all origins are invited to discuss our lives.  bluedawg12   Apr-15-09 10:07 AM   #101 
  - Thanks!  Vanje   Apr-15-09 09:10 AM   #96 
  - Thank you. That's pretty much what I've been trying to say in this thread, but yours is better.  yardwork   Apr-15-09 09:53 AM   #99 
  - I'm not saying there shouldn't be any discussion at all  Chovexani   Apr-15-09 12:52 PM   #106 
     - Then we agree.  yardwork   Apr-15-09 04:15 PM   #112 
        - not a big fan of religion but some of wrights sermons are gods truth  La Lioness Priyanka   Apr-15-09 04:46 PM   #115 
        - So where do we go from here you guys?  bluedawg12   Apr-15-09 05:23 PM   #116 
           - honestly, i dont think we can do anything. i can work within my community of color to raise  La Lioness Priyanka   Apr-15-09 05:37 PM   #117 
           - I agree with that  Chovexani   Apr-15-09 07:05 PM   #126 
              - I agree with every word.  yardwork   Apr-16-09 10:22 PM   #157 
           - I'd suggest that we start by not looking at it as "each others goals"  FreeState   Apr-15-09 05:40 PM   #118 
              - well stated  La Lioness Priyanka   Apr-15-09 05:46 PM   #120 
              - Well, I agree with both of what LaLioness and FS just said! :)  bluedawg12   Apr-15-09 05:59 PM   #122 
                 - I agree we need to have more voices  FreeState   Apr-15-09 06:06 PM   #123 
                    - My family is biracial too and we love our niece and nephew  bluedawg12   Apr-15-09 08:56 PM   #129 
        - There's a difference in how the homophobia manifests though  Chovexani   Apr-15-09 06:51 PM   #125 
           - I had no idea. We still have little churches around here  bluedawg12   Apr-15-09 08:41 PM   #128 
  - Once again Chovexani waltzes in and ROCKS THE FUCKIN HOUSE  Maven   Apr-15-09 03:58 PM   #111 
  - well said  Two Americas   Apr-15-09 06:41 PM   #124 
  - I loved that post!  Bluenorthwest   Apr-16-09 07:22 AM   #137 
  - People who disagree with you should "die in a fire"?  NorthernSpy   Apr-16-09 11:10 PM   #158 
     - Oh ffs  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Apr-16-09 11:16 PM   #160 
  - A self-identified Heterosexual White Male hijacked your topic.  roughsatori   Apr-16-09 03:06 AM   #133 
     - The very definition of privilege, isn't it? n/t  QC   Apr-16-09 07:01 PM   #151 

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