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Thu Jan-08-09 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #51 |
| 58. keep in mind that you are not *really* talking about 58% |
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of african americans in the united states or in california, for that matter. you are talking about 58% of african americans who voted on Prop 8 in california. african americans are roughly 8% of the population in california. when you make statements like this: "if 58% of the gay population thought black people shouldn't get married" you not only lie with statistics, you also dismiss my existence. i am black and gay...i did not support prop 8. i understand your sentiment, but it's still a false generalization.
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| -"Black support for Prop. 8 called exaggeration" |
AntiFascist |
Jan-07-09 01:45 PM |
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Well 58 IS better than 70% |
mitchtv |
Jan-07-09 02:04 PM |
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I think Obama himself should share some blame... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-07-09 02:10 PM |
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I am still hoping he will make some |
mitchtv |
Jan-07-09 02:18 PM |
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Obama opposed H8 in a whisper and for *that*, he serves some blame. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-07-09 03:26 PM |
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I agree, Obama carefully targeted the conflicting messages that he gave... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-07-09 04:20 PM |
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Precisely. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-07-09 04:23 PM |
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Obama was ambiguous enough that they used his own words |
Jamastiene |
Jan-08-09 04:18 AM |
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I agree with you that Obama shares some of the blame |
The Brethren |
Jan-07-09 10:53 PM |
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It's not that much better, really. 58% is still a large majority. |
yardwork |
Jan-07-09 02:45 PM |
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I'm a Christian who voted against 8 |
CreekDog |
Jan-07-09 05:47 PM |
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So you consider yourself a "so called Christian"? |
LostinVA |
Jan-07-09 09:05 PM |
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okay maybe i shouldn't have taken that personally |
CreekDog |
Jan-07-09 09:36 PM |
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So-called Christians aren't Christians -- that was his point |
LostinVA |
Jan-08-09 07:39 AM |
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and thnk you for allowing the XiAN WRONG |
mitchtv |
Jan-08-09 02:03 PM |
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Allowing? What am I, a dictator who can decree that other Christians will vote as I do? |
CreekDog |
Jan-09-09 03:47 AM |
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That sounds more likely. The exit polls for African Americans were very small. |
yardwork |
Jan-07-09 02:15 PM |
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I have a gay AA friend in San Francisco. |
donco6 |
Jan-07-09 02:41 PM |
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That's what I've heard and experienced myself. |
yardwork |
Jan-07-09 02:44 PM |
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And, even non-Churchgoers are affected, because churches are a big part of the culture |
LostinVA |
Jan-07-09 03:04 PM |
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By the way, I just posted on the thread in GD. 58% is still a large majority. |
yardwork |
Jan-07-09 03:12 PM |
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I don't think you're missing anything |
LostinVA |
Jan-07-09 03:25 PM |
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I think some people were taking it too far... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-07-09 03:26 PM |
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I certainly never blamed it solely or even mainly on the black community. |
yardwork |
Jan-07-09 03:39 PM |
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Also... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-07-09 04:17 PM |
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Most probable black voters are in Los Angeles County. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-07-09 04:26 PM |
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That's true, thanks for pointing that out! |
AntiFascist |
Jan-07-09 04:31 PM |
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I know there are people in this forum that are still mad at me |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-07-09 04:54 PM |
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Did you ever read the thread I started the Friday after Election Day? |
yardwork |
Jan-07-09 05:03 PM |
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It's the "New Democrats" |
Dinkeldog |
Jan-08-09 01:04 AM |
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Well said. |
Zenlitened |
Jan-09-09 11:10 AM |
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58% sounds more positive than 70%, but there are other issues. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-07-09 06:29 PM |
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if 58% of gays had voted against black marriage, then what. |
sui generis |
Jan-08-09 01:52 PM |
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What is being missed here is that with the margin of error |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-08-09 03:25 PM |
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yeah - not criticizing the "black vote" specifically |
sui generis |
Jan-09-09 08:17 AM |
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Save one for me! |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-09-09 05:04 PM |
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This report, while welcome, has some issues |
FreeState |
Jan-07-09 06:58 PM |
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Did you fact check that article? |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-07-09 07:08 PM |
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Boxturtlebulletin - the site that has the article - is a a site dedicated to just that |
FreeState |
Jan-07-09 07:35 PM |
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Well, yes. For example, these are not facts even if they were made bullet points: |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-07-09 08:01 PM |
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Im checking on those and have found some studies... |
FreeState |
Jan-08-09 01:02 PM |
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When we look at this data with blame or exoneration in mind, |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-08-09 01:11 PM |
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I agree... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-07-09 07:13 PM |
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I think the first step in bridge building is overcoming our own bias/racism/etc |
FreeState |
Jan-07-09 07:42 PM |
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LA, San Jose, San Francisco, Oakland? may differ... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-07-09 07:49 PM |
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Oh yeah I agree each place is different - however most are not |
FreeState |
Jan-07-09 07:59 PM |
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San Diego is a bit more conservative than LA or San Francisco too. |
Jamastiene |
Jan-08-09 04:26 AM |
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I don't know what bars you go to |
mitchtv |
Jan-08-09 03:28 PM |
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I agree with you about liberation theology. That's been such an important movement for good. |
yardwork |
Jan-07-09 10:09 PM |
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Ahem. I never believed it was as high as 70%. |
PaulHo |
Jan-07-09 07:30 PM |
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Hmmm, why would CNN, based in Atlanta,.... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-07-09 07:56 PM |
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Gee, I wonder. I also had said back then that CNN should apologize |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-07-09 08:07 PM |
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I agreed, far too much time wasted and credence given |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-07-09 08:05 PM |
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Many of us raised questions about that exit poll very soon after the election. |
yardwork |
Jan-07-09 08:27 PM |
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The reaction to that Poll was a "process" that took weeks |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-07-09 08:49 PM |
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I agree that it was a good process, interrupted by some very ugly accusations. |
yardwork |
Jan-07-09 10:29 PM |
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It was clear some people had already made up their minds about gays before H8. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-07-09 11:28 PM |
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You make very good points. |
yardwork |
Jan-08-09 01:38 AM |
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This is a leader. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-08-09 12:29 PM |
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that they supported it at all in any percent is shameful |
sui generis |
Jan-08-09 01:51 PM |
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The point is not to "apologize" for the black community.... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-08-09 03:24 PM |
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keep in mind that you are not *really* talking about 58% |
noiretblu |
Jan-08-09 06:23 PM |
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let me repeat: any number is unacceptable. Let's have some standards |
sui generis |
Jan-09-09 08:13 AM |
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right...how about all the non-black prop 8 supporters? |
noiretblu |
Jan-09-09 12:39 PM |
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three days to evolve my answer - don't give a poop about skin color |
sui generis |
Jan-09-09 02:14 PM |
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that's because we didn't target the black community/churches |
TEmperorHasNoClothes |
Jan-08-09 03:20 PM |
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LOL |
MNBrewer |
Jan-08-09 06:25 PM |
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Well good. |
oktoberain |
Jan-09-09 11:55 AM |
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gee it's almost like they're embarrassed that now people now they help fund taking |
chimpsrsmarter |
Jan-09-09 12:15 PM |
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But everyone knew this the day after Prop 8 was passed |
HamdenRice |
Jan-09-09 01:32 PM |
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Uh, certainly not everyone knew this immediately.... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-09-09 02:18 PM |
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Are you saying that there were not racist posts? |
HamdenRice |
Jan-09-09 02:36 PM |
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Of course I can't speak for all GLBT posters.... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-09-09 02:50 PM |
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Epic Fail |
HamdenRice |
Jan-09-09 02:59 PM |
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So basically you admit to painting with a broad brush? |
Solon |
Jan-09-09 03:01 PM |
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No, I'm saying that if several posters demand a return to slavery... |
HamdenRice |
Jan-09-09 03:03 PM |
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OK, this is the point where I demand proof, because I think you are BSing me. n/t |
Solon |
Jan-09-09 03:34 PM |
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There were posts that advocated in an angry way voting on slavery. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-09-09 04:09 PM |
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You said we have archives, so what was the context of the "slavery" post(s)? |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-09-09 05:23 PM |
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I didn't set out to keep those posts so I can't really help you. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-09-09 05:58 PM |
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That does not qaulify as: "several posters demand a return to slavery..." |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-09-09 06:14 PM |
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Is that what HamdenRice posted? I recall an "if" there. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-09-09 06:20 PM |
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Oh, it was a "hypothetical" "If's" that he's spewing about gays with no proof? |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-09-09 06:35 PM |
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You were among those that were pushing the blame on black homophobia |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-09-09 06:47 PM |
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I was among those that was trying to understand what had happened 3 days after Hate 8. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-09-09 07:19 PM |
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LOL |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-09-09 07:22 PM |
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For the record: I found the thread about "slavery" - I did not participate |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-09-09 08:23 PM |
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I can't provide proof of all those ugly things, because if I do, the post will be deleted |
HamdenRice |
Jan-09-09 06:08 PM |
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You can give context, without name or link. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-09-09 06:17 PM |
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Poor attempt at ju jitsu |
HamdenRice |
Jan-09-09 06:30 PM |
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Translated meaning: no proof just hot air about DU racism and "slavery" comments ? |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-09-09 06:37 PM |
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Ever heard of a PM? |
Solon |
Jan-09-09 08:25 PM |
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Why would I pm someone with data about his own post that he's seen three or four times |
HamdenRice |
Jan-10-09 06:03 AM |
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Epic Fail back at you.... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-09-09 03:07 PM |
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No, it was much more than that. See posts 77 & 81 nt |
HamdenRice |
Jan-09-09 06:09 PM |
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It was much more than that with a few DUers who were likely trying to stir up shit.... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-09-09 06:47 PM |
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If that's what yardwork posted, that is a revision. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-09-09 06:27 PM |
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Sorry,sfexpat, I fail to see yardwork linked to this current line of replies? |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-09-09 06:39 PM |
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Maybe you also failed to see that I was responding to another poster? |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-09-09 06:50 PM |
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Oh, I do see where you were accusing yardwork of something. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-09-09 06:58 PM |
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LOL |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-09-09 07:07 PM |
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You seem to totally misunderstand my purpose in posting the OP.... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-09-09 06:56 PM |
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No, I was just replying to that one post. I think the idea of this thread |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-09-09 07:05 PM |
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So, "DU as a whole engaged" engaged in racism? Is that your premise? |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-09-09 07:21 PM |
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Maybe again you missed that I was talking to someone else. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-09-09 07:23 PM |
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I assumed this was an open forum . |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-09-09 07:48 PM |
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I would still agree with yardwork's statement... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-09-09 07:43 PM |
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Wow. My irony meter just broke. |
Dinkeldog |
Jan-09-09 11:30 PM |
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What? The state media falsifying data to create a rift between two marginalized groups! |
readmoreoften |
Jan-09-09 09:41 PM |
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Excellent point... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-10-09 03:30 PM |
#109 |
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