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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 07:56 PM
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30. Hmmm, why would CNN, based in Atlanta,....

want to stir up differences between AA and LGBT?
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  -"Black support for Prop. 8 called exaggeration" AntiFascist  Jan-07-09 01:45 PM   #0 
  - Well 58 IS better than 70%  mitchtv   Jan-07-09 02:04 PM   #1 
  - I think Obama himself should share some blame...  AntiFascist   Jan-07-09 02:10 PM   #2 
  - I am still hoping he will make some  mitchtv   Jan-07-09 02:18 PM   #4 
  - Obama opposed H8 in a whisper and for *that*, he serves some blame.  sfexpat2000   Jan-07-09 03:26 PM   #12 
  - I agree, Obama carefully targeted the conflicting messages that he gave...  AntiFascist   Jan-07-09 04:20 PM   #15 
  - Precisely. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jan-07-09 04:23 PM   #16 
  - Obama was ambiguous enough that they used his own words  Jamastiene   Jan-08-09 04:18 AM   #45 
  - I agree with you that Obama shares some of the blame  The Brethren   Jan-07-09 10:53 PM   #41 
  - It's not that much better, really. 58% is still a large majority.  yardwork   Jan-07-09 02:45 PM   #7 
  - I'm a Christian who voted against 8  CreekDog   Jan-07-09 05:47 PM   #21 
     - So you consider yourself a "so called Christian"?  LostinVA   Jan-07-09 09:05 PM   #37 
     - okay maybe i shouldn't have taken that personally  CreekDog   Jan-07-09 09:36 PM   #38 
        - So-called Christians aren't Christians -- that was his point  LostinVA   Jan-08-09 07:39 AM   #47 
     - and thnk you for allowing the XiAN WRONG  mitchtv   Jan-08-09 02:03 PM   #53 
        - Allowing? What am I, a dictator who can decree that other Christians will vote as I do?  CreekDog   Jan-09-09 03:47 AM   #60 
  - That sounds more likely. The exit polls for African Americans were very small.  yardwork   Jan-07-09 02:15 PM   #3 
  - I have a gay AA friend in San Francisco.  donco6   Jan-07-09 02:41 PM   #5 
     - That's what I've heard and experienced myself.  yardwork   Jan-07-09 02:44 PM   #6 
        - And, even non-Churchgoers are affected, because churches are a big part of the culture  LostinVA   Jan-07-09 03:04 PM   #8 
  - By the way, I just posted on the thread in GD. 58% is still a large majority.  yardwork   Jan-07-09 03:12 PM   #9 
  - I don't think you're missing anything  LostinVA   Jan-07-09 03:25 PM   #10 
  - I think some people were taking it too far...  AntiFascist   Jan-07-09 03:26 PM   #11 
     - I certainly never blamed it solely or even mainly on the black community.  yardwork   Jan-07-09 03:39 PM   #13 
        - Also...  AntiFascist   Jan-07-09 04:17 PM   #14 
        - Most probable black voters are in Los Angeles County.  sfexpat2000   Jan-07-09 04:26 PM   #17 
           - That's true, thanks for pointing that out!  AntiFascist   Jan-07-09 04:31 PM   #18 
              - I know there are people in this forum that are still mad at me  sfexpat2000   Jan-07-09 04:54 PM   #19 
                 - Did you ever read the thread I started the Friday after Election Day?  yardwork   Jan-07-09 05:03 PM   #20 
        - It's the "New Democrats"  Dinkeldog   Jan-08-09 01:04 AM   #43 
        - Well said.  Zenlitened   Jan-09-09 11:10 AM   #63 
  - 58% sounds more positive than 70%, but there are other issues.  bluedawg12   Jan-07-09 06:29 PM   #22 
  - if 58% of gays had voted against black marriage, then what.  sui generis   Jan-08-09 01:52 PM   #52 
     - What is being missed here is that with the margin of error  sfexpat2000   Jan-08-09 03:25 PM   #56 
        - yeah - not criticizing the "black vote" specifically  sui generis   Jan-09-09 08:17 AM   #62 
           - Save one for me!  sfexpat2000   Jan-09-09 05:04 PM   #78 
  - This report, while welcome, has some issues  FreeState   Jan-07-09 06:58 PM   #23 
  - Did you fact check that article?  sfexpat2000   Jan-07-09 07:08 PM   #24 
  - Boxturtlebulletin - the site that has the article - is a a site dedicated to just that  FreeState   Jan-07-09 07:35 PM   #27 
     - Well, yes. For example, these are not facts even if they were made bullet points:  sfexpat2000   Jan-07-09 08:01 PM   #32 
        - Im checking on those and have found some studies...  FreeState   Jan-08-09 01:02 PM   #49 
           - When we look at this data with blame or exoneration in mind,  sfexpat2000   Jan-08-09 01:11 PM   #50 
  - I agree...  AntiFascist   Jan-07-09 07:13 PM   #25 
     - I think the first step in bridge building is overcoming our own bias/racism/etc  FreeState   Jan-07-09 07:42 PM   #28 
     - LA, San Jose, San Francisco, Oakland? may differ...  AntiFascist   Jan-07-09 07:49 PM   #29 
     - Oh yeah I agree each place is different - however most are not  FreeState   Jan-07-09 07:59 PM   #31 
     - San Diego is a bit more conservative than LA or San Francisco too.  Jamastiene   Jan-08-09 04:26 AM   #46 
     - I don't know what bars you go to  mitchtv   Jan-08-09 03:28 PM   #57 
     - I agree with you about liberation theology. That's been such an important movement for good.  yardwork   Jan-07-09 10:09 PM   #39 
  - Ahem. I never believed it was as high as 70%.  PaulHo   Jan-07-09 07:30 PM   #26 
  - Hmmm, why would CNN, based in Atlanta,....  AntiFascist   Jan-07-09 07:56 PM   #30 
  - Gee, I wonder. I also had said back then that CNN should apologize  bluedawg12   Jan-07-09 08:07 PM   #34 
  - I agreed, far too much time wasted and credence given  bluedawg12   Jan-07-09 08:05 PM   #33 
     - Many of us raised questions about that exit poll very soon after the election.  yardwork   Jan-07-09 08:27 PM   #35 
        - The reaction to that Poll was a "process" that took weeks  bluedawg12   Jan-07-09 08:49 PM   #36 
           - I agree that it was a good process, interrupted by some very ugly accusations.  yardwork   Jan-07-09 10:29 PM   #40 
              - It was clear some people had already made up their minds about gays before H8.  bluedawg12   Jan-07-09 11:28 PM   #42 
                 - You make very good points.  yardwork   Jan-08-09 01:38 AM   #44 
                    - This is a leader.  bluedawg12   Jan-08-09 12:29 PM   #48 
  - that they supported it at all in any percent is shameful  sui generis   Jan-08-09 01:51 PM   #51 
  - The point is not to "apologize" for the black community....  AntiFascist   Jan-08-09 03:24 PM   #55 
  - keep in mind that you are not *really* talking about 58%  noiretblu   Jan-08-09 06:23 PM   #58 
     - let me repeat: any number is unacceptable. Let's have some standards  sui generis   Jan-09-09 08:13 AM   #61 
        - right...how about all the non-black prop 8 supporters?  noiretblu   Jan-09-09 12:39 PM   #66 
           - three days to evolve my answer - don't give a poop about skin color  sui generis   Jan-09-09 02:14 PM   #68 
  - that's because we didn't target the black community/churches  TEmperorHasNoClothes   Jan-08-09 03:20 PM   #54 
  - LOL  MNBrewer   Jan-08-09 06:25 PM   #59 
  - Well good.  oktoberain   Jan-09-09 11:55 AM   #64 
  - gee it's almost like they're embarrassed that now people now they help fund taking  chimpsrsmarter   Jan-09-09 12:15 PM   #65 
  - But everyone knew this the day after Prop 8 was passed  HamdenRice   Jan-09-09 01:32 PM   #67 
  - Uh, certainly not everyone knew this immediately....  AntiFascist   Jan-09-09 02:18 PM   #69 
     - Are you saying that there were not racist posts?  HamdenRice   Jan-09-09 02:36 PM   #70 
        - Of course I can't speak for all GLBT posters....  AntiFascist   Jan-09-09 02:50 PM   #71 
           - Epic Fail  HamdenRice   Jan-09-09 02:59 PM   #72 
              - So basically you admit to painting with a broad brush?  Solon   Jan-09-09 03:01 PM   #73 
              - No, I'm saying that if several posters demand a return to slavery...  HamdenRice   Jan-09-09 03:03 PM   #74 
                 - OK, this is the point where I demand proof, because I think you are BSing me. n/t  Solon   Jan-09-09 03:34 PM   #76 
                    - There were posts that advocated in an angry way voting on slavery.  sfexpat2000   Jan-09-09 04:09 PM   #77 
                    - You said we have archives, so what was the context of the "slavery" post(s)?  bluedawg12   Jan-09-09 05:23 PM   #79 
                       - I didn't set out to keep those posts so I can't really help you.  sfexpat2000   Jan-09-09 05:58 PM   #80 
                          - That does not qaulify as: "several posters demand a return to slavery..."  bluedawg12   Jan-09-09 06:14 PM   #83 
                             - Is that what HamdenRice posted? I recall an "if" there.  sfexpat2000   Jan-09-09 06:20 PM   #85 
                                - Oh, it was a "hypothetical" "If's" that he's spewing about gays with no proof?  bluedawg12   Jan-09-09 06:35 PM   #88 
                                   - You were among those that were pushing the blame on black homophobia  sfexpat2000   Jan-09-09 06:47 PM   #91 
                                      - I was among those that was trying to understand what had happened 3 days after Hate 8.  bluedawg12   Jan-09-09 07:19 PM   #98 
                                         - LOL  sfexpat2000   Jan-09-09 07:22 PM   #100 
                                            - For the record: I found the thread about "slavery" - I did not participate  bluedawg12   Jan-09-09 08:23 PM   #104 
                    - I can't provide proof of all those ugly things, because if I do, the post will be deleted  HamdenRice   Jan-09-09 06:08 PM   #81 
                       - You can give context, without name or link.  bluedawg12   Jan-09-09 06:17 PM   #84 
                       - Poor attempt at ju jitsu  HamdenRice   Jan-09-09 06:30 PM   #87 
                          - Translated meaning: no proof just hot air about DU racism and "slavery" comments ?  bluedawg12   Jan-09-09 06:37 PM   #89 
                       - Ever heard of a PM?  Solon   Jan-09-09 08:25 PM   #105 
                          - Why would I pm someone with data about his own post that he's seen three or four times  HamdenRice   Jan-10-09 06:03 AM   #108 
              - Epic Fail back at you....  AntiFascist   Jan-09-09 03:07 PM   #75 
              - No, it was much more than that. See posts 77 & 81 nt  HamdenRice   Jan-09-09 06:09 PM   #82 
              - It was much more than that with a few DUers who were likely trying to stir up shit....  AntiFascist   Jan-09-09 06:47 PM   #92 
              - If that's what yardwork posted, that is a revision.  sfexpat2000   Jan-09-09 06:27 PM   #86 
                 - Sorry,sfexpat, I fail to see yardwork linked to this current line of replies?  bluedawg12   Jan-09-09 06:39 PM   #90 
                 - Maybe you also failed to see that I was responding to another poster?  sfexpat2000   Jan-09-09 06:50 PM   #93 
                    - Oh, I do see where you were accusing yardwork of something.  bluedawg12   Jan-09-09 06:58 PM   #95 
                       - LOL  sfexpat2000   Jan-09-09 07:07 PM   #97 
                 - You seem to totally misunderstand my purpose in posting the OP....  AntiFascist   Jan-09-09 06:56 PM   #94 
                    - No, I was just replying to that one post. I think the idea of this thread  sfexpat2000   Jan-09-09 07:05 PM   #96 
                       - So, "DU as a whole engaged" engaged in racism? Is that your premise?  bluedawg12   Jan-09-09 07:21 PM   #99 
                       - Maybe again you missed that I was talking to someone else.  sfexpat2000   Jan-09-09 07:23 PM   #101 
                          - I assumed this was an open forum .  bluedawg12   Jan-09-09 07:48 PM   #103 
                       - I would still agree with yardwork's statement...  AntiFascist   Jan-09-09 07:43 PM   #102 
              - Wow. My irony meter just broke.  Dinkeldog   Jan-09-09 11:30 PM   #107 
  - What? The state media falsifying data to create a rift between two marginalized groups!  readmoreoften   Jan-09-09 09:41 PM   #106 
     - Excellent point...  AntiFascist   Jan-10-09 03:30 PM   #109 
 

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