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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 01:52 AM
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We need to change the terms of the debate.
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The issue should not be whether or not gay couples will be allowed to get married. In any real sense of the word, they already are married. What we are really talking about is whether or not gay couples should have the same legal protection of their marriages as hetero couples have. We have to stop feeding into the idea that the state can prevent people from getting married. If a committed gay couple is living together with the intention of being together for their lives, then as a point of fact they are married. Since they are married in fact, it is a small step to make the law reflect what is already an accomplished fact.

This may seem an insignificant point, but public perception is driven by choices of words.
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  -We need to change the terms of the debate. Deep13  Dec-25-08 01:52 AM   #0 
  - K&R For an interesting idea.  ZombieHorde   Dec-25-08 02:09 AM   #1 
  - same legal protection of their marriages as hetro couples ?  edwardlindy   Dec-25-08 02:47 AM   #2 
  - It seems to me that it is also a Constitutional issue...  adsosletter   Dec-25-08 02:49 AM   #3 
  - In truth it is, but that does not mean a court will see it that way.  Deep13   Dec-25-08 11:42 AM   #7 
     - I suspect you are right in the utility of the "equal protection" argument....  adsosletter   Dec-25-08 02:24 PM   #14 
        - The Constitution is actually pretty clear.  Deep13   Dec-25-08 09:58 PM   #17 
           - Yes...  adsosletter   Dec-26-08 01:20 AM   #22 
  - And we should draw more attention to the absurdity of the law that  grantcart   Dec-25-08 02:51 AM   #4 
  - This seems to me like a majority infringing on the rights of a minority...  adsosletter   Dec-25-08 03:02 AM   #5 
     - and that's what the courts are for  grantcart   Dec-25-08 05:35 PM   #15 
  - Good point...  AntiFascist   Dec-25-08 03:12 AM   #6 
  - Gay marriage rights are about legal civil rights from the State.  bluedawg12   Dec-25-08 12:29 PM   #8 
  - A marriage license is a license just like a teacher's license or driver's license  IndianaGreen   Dec-25-08 12:41 PM   #11 
  - You need to realize and appreciate who your real allies are  IndianaGreen   Dec-25-08 12:36 PM   #9 
  - Someone with more legal experience, help me out here.  foxfeet   Dec-25-08 12:37 PM   #10 
  - Under common law...  Deep13   Dec-25-08 01:14 PM   #12 
     - Thanks-- that's the info I was looking for.  foxfeet   Dec-25-08 01:36 PM   #13 
     - There are still a number of states that recognize common law  Ms. Toad   Dec-25-08 07:49 PM   #16 
  - So, will anyone give me a 5th vote to put this on the Greatest page?  Deep13   Dec-25-08 10:16 PM   #18 
  - Here ya go. R #5  PaulHo   Dec-25-08 10:37 PM   #19 
     - thanks  Deep13   Dec-25-08 11:00 PM   #21 
  - I was on jury duty recently and a prospective juror was asked...  PaulHo   Dec-25-08 10:46 PM   #20 
  - Interesting, that's why DOMA violates the The Full Faith and Credit Clause  bluedawg12   Dec-28-08 02:14 AM   #29 
  - Seperate but equal?  Truth Teller   Dec-26-08 10:16 AM   #23 
  - Why don't you read what I actually wrote...  Deep13   Dec-26-08 10:33 AM   #24 
  - Just to be clear....  Deep13   Dec-27-08 05:36 PM   #25 
  - I've been trying to use the phrase "Constitutionally Invisible."  ColbertWatcher   Dec-27-08 08:12 PM   #26 
  - I know that's true.  Deep13   Dec-28-08 01:19 AM   #27 
  - I have always said that I am married to my partner, the state simply refuses to recognize it.  readmoreoften   Dec-28-08 01:57 AM   #28 

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