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14. We have one of those, a sociopath who's changed with meds.
He threatened me and meant it, was flat-out scary to many of the students and staff, would masturbate in class, refuse to do any work, and lie and manipulate everyone. He was evil, and we all kept begging the principal to kick him out permanently. Only the school secretary believed in him and knew there was a good kid in there. She finally convinced the counselor to fight the parents to get him on meds. His mom, after beating the crap out of him in the school parking lot in front of our secretary and principal, finally gave in and got him to the doctor and got him on meds.

He's an entirely different kid. I'm the one who's (still) grading the writing pre-assessments, and he ended up doing two, one before meds and one after, because of the writing class he's in this quarter. I'm still dumbfounded: his handwriting is so different you'd swear it's a different person (different letter formations, spacing, angles, etc.), his writing style is entirely different and actually is clear and makes sense, and the voice in his writing is entirely different, too. If I hadn't seen him write both and had his name on the papers, I would have sworn they were from two different kids.

He's respectful and nice now. The other students love working with him in class. He's voluntarily apologized to everyone for his behavior before, and he's actually stopping other kids from acting out. The lying is still there, but he's nowhere near the sociopathic manipulator he was. He's actually a joy to have in class now. It's the darndest thing.

We're all still in shock. We've seen kids change with medication, change in drastic and amazing ways. We've even done collections amongst the staff to help students pay for their meds until Medicaid kicks in. This one, though, has taken our breath away, and we wonder why it took until he was 17 and almost done with high school for him to get the help he needed until we remember how we gave up on him but our secretary never did.

Yes, sociopaths are in our classrooms, as are bipolar or borderline kids, kids with Oppositional Defiance Disorder and worse. Many of them end up in my school, the good alternative high school in town, and we're better set up for them, but it's not like it's easy working with students with such massive strikes against them before they even walk into the classroom. Not all students who need meds are on them, and not all parents listen to our advice. You're right: it's laughable that we'd say those students can learn at the same rate the other students can or the rate some person sitting on some state committee says they can.

They can change, though, with help, perseverance, love, and medication. They really can.
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  -Mentally ill children proud2BlibKansan  Nov-24-10 12:27 PM   #0 
  - Ugh, these kids are nothing but statistics to these "reform" folks  ck4829   Nov-24-10 12:35 PM   #1 
  - Interesting discussion on Democracy Now this AM. Dr says that most of the ADD and other "problems"  BrklynLiberal   Nov-24-10 12:43 PM   #2 
  - My OP is not about kids with ADD  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-24-10 01:02 PM   #3 
  - This whole situation is so difficult from all angles!  bobbolink   Nov-24-10 01:55 PM   #4 
  - Lots of incorrect medicating and treatment going on  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-24-10 02:14 PM   #5 
  - I have friends with a child who is severely mentally ill.  Starry Messenger   Nov-24-10 03:16 PM   #6 
  - IMO, these kids don't even belong in school  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-24-10 03:44 PM   #7 
     - They do hospitalize her, but then their insurance runs out.  Starry Messenger   Nov-24-10 04:40 PM   #8 
     - My son's kindergarten class had one of these kids  Tansy_Gold   Nov-24-10 07:26 PM   #9 
     - This year at my school  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-24-10 10:27 PM   #11 
     - I agree, proud2BlibKansan.  southerncrone   Nov-29-10 10:12 PM   #33 
  - Like you, I've been around education and these kids for a long time.  MichiganVote   Nov-24-10 08:59 PM   #10 
  - So true about SSI  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-24-10 10:37 PM   #12 
  - Some of us need those court papers. Just sayin'.  knitter4democracy   Nov-25-10 08:44 AM   #17 
     - Didn't mean to paint a broad brush there  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-26-10 03:51 PM   #26 
        - Thank you. It's something I'm touchy about.  knitter4democracy   Nov-26-10 07:23 PM   #27 
  - They get sent to the alternative high schools like mine.  knitter4democracy   Nov-25-10 08:42 AM   #16 
  - Lock up the mentally ill kids... right after you lock up the mentally ill teachers  txlibdem   Nov-24-10 10:54 PM   #13 
  - Nah, they just send them all to the alternative schools.  knitter4democracy   Nov-25-10 08:37 AM   #15 
     - It makes your job so much easier when you can make a "trouble" child become someone else's problem  txlibdem   Nov-25-10 11:40 AM   #19 
        - At the alternative high school where I teach, we would love a kid like you.  knitter4democracy   Nov-25-10 02:40 PM   #20 
        - I'm 49 now so it's a bit late to redo for me  txlibdem   Nov-25-10 06:23 PM   #21 
           - Times in most areas have changed.  knitter4democracy   Nov-25-10 07:53 PM   #22 
              - Thank you for the well wishes anyway  txlibdem   Nov-27-10 07:00 AM   #31 
        - Hi, fellow Aspie!  Odin2005   Dec-12-10 08:43 PM   #38 
  - We have one of those, a sociopath who's changed with meds.  knitter4democracy   Nov-25-10 08:35 AM   #14 
  - I agree, but what do we do?  Bosso 63   Nov-25-10 08:58 AM   #18 
  - I wish I knew the answer  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-26-10 03:49 PM   #25 
  - So are any of the autism/add/depression students this violent?  Kucinich Feingold   Nov-26-10 09:32 AM   #23 
  - Not in my experience, no.  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-26-10 03:48 PM   #24 
  - It's usually not those diagnoses who are that violent.  knitter4democracy   Nov-26-10 07:26 PM   #28 
  - Consider yourself lucky if your city has sufficient placements  DebJ   Nov-26-10 10:54 PM   #29 
  - No of course we don't have sufficient placements  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-27-10 01:17 AM   #30 
  - Our school could be three times the size.  knitter4democracy   Nov-27-10 09:12 AM   #32 
  - That situation would clearly be helped by Digital Learning  txlibdem   Dec-06-10 08:35 PM   #34 
  - LOL and if the students break the computer?  proud2BlibKansan   Dec-11-10 12:00 PM   #36 
  - In NYC, calling 911 will not necessarily get the kid arrested.  Smarmie Doofus   Dec-09-10 05:57 PM   #35 
  - Sounds like SEVERE Bipolar, what idiotic parents and school.  Odin2005   Dec-12-10 08:39 PM   #37 

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