Smarmie Doofus
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Thu Sep-29-11 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #130 |
| 132. Thanks for reposting this. |
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I saw her ( Lois Weiner) speak two weeks ago in NYC.
She spoke to a minority caucus of the UFT here. Elsewhere ( Los Angeles, for example) she was invited to present to the entire union.
Seems like LA and Chicago unions are more open to a substantive analysis.
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| -Education professor says Arne's plans not unique to U. S., previously carried out in Chile. |
madfloridian |
Sep-03-10 04:41 PM |
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Kick & rec |
Book Lover |
Sep-03-10 04:51 PM |
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Thanks for posting this. I just skimmed the transcript... |
YvonneCa |
Sep-03-10 05:06 PM |
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Informative post. Thanks. They started saying our students weren't trained enough... |
madfloridian |
Sep-03-10 05:34 PM |
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K&R! |
smokey nj |
Sep-03-10 05:10 PM |
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The only power parents have is to STOP buying into this crap. |
MichiganVote |
Sep-03-10 05:36 PM |
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The ones who can afford to are removing their children from |
TBF |
Sep-04-10 03:37 PM |
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Weiner article: Think Globally, Privatize Locally |
madfloridian |
Sep-03-10 06:36 PM |
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Wow! thanks so much for articulating this knowledge. we had a feeling something invasive... ugly.. |
earcandle |
Sep-04-10 01:22 AM |
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Friedman said Chile would have worked if they'd just privatized harder. |
glitch |
Sep-03-10 08:12 PM |
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Coincidentally, I have just gotten around to reading Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-03-10 09:24 PM |
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I read that book when it first came out |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-03-10 09:30 PM |
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Here's a link to the video I posted earlier |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-03-10 09:29 PM |
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Thanks, I missed that. |
madfloridian |
Sep-03-10 10:01 PM |
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If it's good enough for Chile, it's good enough for Murica |
RufusTFirefly |
Sep-03-10 10:03 PM |
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I googled it. Pretty interesting. |
Tutankhamun |
Sep-04-10 01:55 PM |
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You keep giving us the goods. |
Jakes Progress |
Sep-03-10 10:44 PM |
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They not only helped, they did it. |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-03-10 10:47 PM |
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And that is the irony--that the loyal (to a fault)Democratic foot-soldiers can't see |
me b zola |
Sep-03-10 11:46 PM |
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+1 |
readmoreoften |
Sep-04-10 01:24 AM |
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some of the loyalists are fully aware, & support those things knowingly. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-25-10 02:45 PM |
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...and this thread now gets bounced into "Education" ... know how many times I've been here? Never! |
defendandprotect |
Sep-04-10 01:22 PM |
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A very disturbing trend, isn't it? |
Ignis |
Sep-04-10 02:42 PM |
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It does continue to surprise me, however . . . |
defendandprotect |
Sep-04-10 08:21 PM |
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Thanks for posting this information. |
JDPriestly |
Sep-03-10 10:54 PM |
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where`s the teachers union haters?... |
madrchsod |
Sep-03-10 11:16 PM |
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Disgraceful, but not unsurprsing at this point. |
Danger Mouse |
Sep-03-10 11:24 PM |
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Mr. Duncan? |
GreenArrow |
Sep-04-10 11:43 AM |
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what can I do |
libmom74 |
Sep-04-10 12:14 AM |
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I wish I knew what to tell you |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-04-10 09:10 AM |
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What can we do? |
drweinerlo |
Sep-05-10 07:59 AM |
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welcome to DU! |
tigereye |
Sep-07-10 10:35 AM |
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"Education next", right wing astroturf site |
Starry Messenger |
Sep-04-10 12:34 AM |
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Two very interesting links. The DLC link I had missed. |
madfloridian |
Sep-04-10 03:40 PM |
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Exactly what did Pinochet do? He created grading systems for teachers? |
dkf |
Sep-04-10 12:41 AM |
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Privatizing and forming tiers of education. |
madfloridian |
Sep-04-10 01:13 AM |
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You know what? Teachers ARE being oppressed. Do some research. |
madfloridian |
Sep-04-10 01:15 AM |
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oh, the humanity. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-04-10 04:39 AM |
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Sep-04-10 09:57 AM |
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Did you read the article? |
Catshrink |
Sep-04-10 10:39 AM |
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Yes, and I noticed that only examples from NCLB were used to prove the argument. |
Radical Activist |
Sep-04-10 11:17 AM |
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NCLB is still our reality |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-04-10 12:10 PM |
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You are going to have to explain how this is dishonest |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-04-10 10:50 AM |
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The only examples used to support the claim are about NCLB, not RTTT. |
Radical Activist |
Sep-04-10 11:22 AM |
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A murderous dictator who privatized education in Chile |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-04-10 12:06 PM |
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If someone is going to compare a public official to a brutal dictator then the burden |
Radical Activist |
Sep-04-10 12:11 PM |
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I take it you missed the whole privatization of education comparison |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-04-10 12:41 PM |
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Deliberately... |
Catshrink |
Sep-04-10 12:45 PM |
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Sep-04-10 12:51 PM |
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Not everyone has bought into the theory of a grand conspiracy to destroy public education. |
Radical Activist |
Sep-04-10 12:55 PM |
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I'm beginning to worry that these daily rants against Obama will do serious harm to us. |
Diane R |
Sep-04-10 01:02 PM |
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Nah. Conspiracy theories are generally harmless. |
janx |
Sep-04-10 01:04 PM |
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I'm more worried about the harm Obama will do. |
Catshrink |
Sep-04-10 01:21 PM |
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Amazing, isn't it? Desire to try to bury bad info rather than face it -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Sep-04-10 01:33 PM |
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Let's shut them down and ignore them . . . ???? |
defendandprotect |
Sep-04-10 01:32 PM |
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Some of us are far more concerned about the damage being done to our children |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-04-10 02:47 PM |
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Oh, screw the children and the future of the country. Just don't criticize Obama! |
Ignis |
Sep-04-10 03:28 PM |
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who is "us"? sorry you don't like "daily rants" about the ongoing privatization of education. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-04-10 09:57 PM |
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For one of two reasons |
Catshrink |
Sep-04-10 01:04 PM |
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So what was "bad" under Bush's LNCB and privatizing is "good" when Obama does it--- ?? |
defendandprotect |
Sep-04-10 01:31 PM |
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Yeah, 'cuz nothing Obama does is wrong. |
Catshrink |
Sep-04-10 01:33 PM |
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And it's been rebranded. Doesn't brand count for anything anymore? nt |
glitch |
Sep-04-10 05:53 PM |
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RTTT is not NCLB. |
Radical Activist |
Sep-04-10 02:18 PM |
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No, RttT is worse. |
Catshrink |
Sep-04-10 02:22 PM |
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You write without any backing evidence or supporting argument. |
Radical Activist |
Sep-04-10 02:37 PM |
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No |
Catshrink |
Sep-04-10 02:41 PM |
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it's an extension of nclb that uses the same tactics. all the language of turnaround etc. comes |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-05-10 05:32 AM |
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it is quite upsetting to see business types who have no educational back- |
tigereye |
Sep-07-10 10:40 AM |
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Sep-04-10 02:44 PM |
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Sep-04-10 02:49 PM |
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Sep-04-10 02:54 PM |
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Thank you. And it always has top billing on the front page. |
Diane R |
Sep-04-10 01:01 PM |
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Pinochet? He didn't do much. |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-04-10 10:44 AM |
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Did you really read it? |
roody |
Sep-04-10 11:28 AM |
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Apparently not. |
Catshrink |
Sep-04-10 11:42 AM |
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One of my college profs asserted years ago that the objective of the Business Roundtable |
Citizen Worker |
Sep-04-10 01:44 AM |
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Business Round Table is 250 or more big corporations fighting female equality. . . . |
defendandprotect |
Sep-04-10 01:38 PM |
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The middle class black kid who became President due to a first class education |
dkf |
Sep-04-10 02:56 AM |
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Sigh... |
chervilant |
Sep-04-10 04:13 AM |
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to be fair, I think there are some educational systems that do seem to be |
tigereye |
Sep-07-10 10:47 AM |
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keep dreaming those fairy tales. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-04-10 04:40 AM |
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Yes that's the goal |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-04-10 09:16 AM |
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If you think he's middle class look at where he went to school from the beginning. |
Fearless |
Sep-04-10 10:39 AM |
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As a middle class kid who went to private school, like Obama, on scholarship, |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-04-10 12:39 PM |
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obama's mother's family has been upper middle class for several generations. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-04-10 10:11 PM |
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Makiki is NOT upper class. It looks like you can't even buy one of those residences you can only |
dkf |
Sep-05-10 12:02 AM |
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i don't see any mention of makiki, or "upper class". |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-05-10 12:29 AM |
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That is where Obama grew up, in his grandparents Punahou Circle apartment. |
dkf |
Sep-05-10 12:46 AM |
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gee, do you think they could have moved there to be near obama's private school, 3 blocks away? |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-05-10 01:41 AM |
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but I suspect that even then, property was a lot cheaper. |
tigereye |
Sep-07-10 10:50 AM |
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no, MGM worked her way up from a secretary to Bank VP, i think |
tigereye |
Sep-07-10 10:48 AM |
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He went to Punahou school on a scholarship. |
dkf |
Sep-04-10 11:38 PM |
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no, he went on a *partial* scholarship. his grandparents paid the rest. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-05-10 02:36 AM |
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I agree with dkf. Read the chapter on Education in Jonathan Alter's book 'The Promise'. |
Diane R |
Sep-04-10 01:03 PM |
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Then explain his behavior ... |
defendandprotect |
Sep-04-10 01:39 PM |
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We used to have the best education in the world but we are steadily and surely losing |
dkf |
Sep-05-10 01:19 AM |
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bullshit. it's all you got. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-05-10 05:30 AM |
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you are repeating a meme - please think about it |
tigereye |
Sep-07-10 10:53 AM |
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you would think not- you would think that he and MIchelle as products of |
tigereye |
Sep-07-10 10:44 AM |
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Recommend |
xchrom |
Sep-04-10 04:31 AM |
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Public Education is being assaulted from a multitude of sources. |
olegramps |
Sep-04-10 08:28 AM |
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Neoliberals think it's 'socialist' and consider it the source of liberal thought. |
glitch |
Sep-04-10 05:58 PM |
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+1 |
JCMach1 |
Sep-04-10 08:42 AM |
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So we'll have schools |
femrap |
Sep-04-10 09:46 AM |
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exactly...corporations want to control education to produce |
ibegurpard |
Sep-04-10 09:49 AM |
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I've only been saying this for months! |
Fearless |
Sep-04-10 10:36 AM |
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Another resource would be; |
greiner3 |
Sep-04-10 11:33 AM |
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It was Ravitch's comment. In the OP but not the OP's comment |
madfloridian |
Sep-04-10 11:42 AM |
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A lot of failed Friedman Chicago School style economics |
Cleita |
Sep-04-10 12:19 PM |
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Yes, beware of Chilean style Social Security reforms. |
madfloridian |
Sep-04-10 12:24 PM |
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k/r |
Solly Mack |
Sep-04-10 12:49 PM |
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Wow... this thread has been gungeoned. |
demmiblue |
Sep-04-10 01:15 PM |
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Sep-04-10 01:17 PM |
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Change we never dreamed of, and would never choose - if we had a choice. |
Jim Sagle |
Sep-04-10 01:20 PM |
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K&R -- constantly looking worse than we ever dreamed under Obama!!! |
defendandprotect |
Sep-04-10 01:27 PM |
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This is probably the main reason I won't be a shoe in to vote for Obama in '12 |
AllyCat |
Sep-04-10 02:08 PM |
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+1 |
Catshrink |
Sep-04-10 02:21 PM |
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K&R n/t |
DeSwiss |
Sep-04-10 03:10 PM |
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Excellent research and helps |
TBF |
Sep-04-10 03:33 PM |
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it's bizarre since a lot of union money helped to elect him.. |
tigereye |
Sep-07-10 10:55 AM |
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"Race to the Top." |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Sep-04-10 04:39 PM |
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Wow, sick and sad that this was moved from GD |
me b zola |
Sep-04-10 10:20 PM |
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I agree. |
madfloridian |
Sep-04-10 11:19 PM |
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Why was it moved? |
LWolf |
Sep-05-10 11:52 AM |
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No one knows |
Catshrink |
Sep-05-10 12:12 PM |
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Doesn't a mod usually say something when a thread is moved? |
LWolf |
Sep-05-10 12:14 PM |
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check your PM |
Catshrink |
Sep-05-10 12:19 PM |
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It certainly is. It's too bad when threads that don't violate the rules are moved and comments that |
Karmadillo |
Sep-05-10 07:48 AM |
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Agreed. n/t |
YvonneCa |
Sep-29-11 04:42 PM |
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This needs to be reposted in some important location |
Nikki Stone1 |
Sep-24-10 11:24 PM |
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I was just musing over the situation of the Activists in Minneapolis & Chicago today, |
truedelphi |
Sep-25-10 08:18 PM |
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kick |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-11 05:43 PM |
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Thanks for reposting this. |
Smarmie Doofus |
Sep-29-11 05:43 PM |
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kick |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-30-11 09:17 PM |
#133 |
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