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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 06:41 PM
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You're not going to get an argument from me.

I just don't know how things are done nationwide and there is a huge fuss over "private" "for profit" charter schools taking over, yada yada.

As I said,

"I think we'd be a stronger voice for better public schools if we could agree that not all charter schools are private charters.."

Every charter I work with is a public charter school and almost every one is a superior school with innovative programs and high success rates.

If it happens to be true that nationwide there is no such thing as a public charter school, then you have your work cut out for you convincing no small number of others that it's true.

FWIW, I think many insist that any school that has selective enrollment policies should not be considered a "public" charter school.

But that's their argument, not mine.

Believe me on this.

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  -Howard Dean thinks we need to give Obama more time proud2BlibKansan  Apr-17-10 01:30 PM   #0 
  - Sounds like he is just plain unaware, or else just doesn't care.  madfloridian   Apr-17-10 01:37 PM   #1 
  - Yes that's the AFT charter he mentioned  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-17-10 01:43 PM   #6 
  - I am sure he is aware, like all of the Democrats in charge  tonysam   Apr-17-10 02:35 PM   #24 
  - Howard Dean cares about a lot but he may have a different opinion about charter schools  tavalon   Apr-17-10 04:27 PM   #51 
  - Interesting... I would like to know what he thinks about the demonizing of public school teachers.  GreenPartyVoter   Apr-17-10 01:38 PM   #2 
  - I honestly got the impression he wasn't aware of this  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-17-10 10:51 PM   #69 
  - He was surprised that Obama stickers are off teachers' cars?  Catshrink   Apr-17-10 01:38 PM   #3 
  - Well it's a fairly new issue  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-17-10 01:46 PM   #8 
  - well, let's be fair - only off SOME teachers' cars...  mzteris   Apr-17-10 01:59 PM   #16 
  - I look forward to hearing more about your lunch.  LWolf   Apr-17-10 01:39 PM   #4 
  - Here's why he won't say anything at all against charters.  madfloridian   Apr-17-10 01:41 PM   #5 
  - We're screwn.  Catshrink   Apr-17-10 01:49 PM   # 
  - didya ever stop to think that just MAYBE  mzteris   Apr-17-10 02:01 PM   #17 
     - They know how to turn education into profit.  madfloridian   Apr-17-10 02:02 PM   #18 
     - They THINK they do  tonysam   Apr-17-10 02:39 PM   #25 
        - I completely and totallly support PUBLIC EDUCATION -  mzteris   Apr-17-10 02:54 PM   #30 
        - Perhaps some of them are trying to create conditions in which things that are more of a hybrid would  patrice   Apr-17-10 03:20 PM   #40 
           - Not really. This is about limiting access to higher education.  tonysam   Apr-17-10 03:24 PM   #42 
              - So what stops teachers/unions from creating their own schools, to solve their  patrice   Apr-17-10 03:39 PM   #45 
              - Keep pushing this garbage of "choice" and other rot.  tonysam   Apr-17-10 03:49 PM   #48 
              - Garbage of "choice" . . . interesting phrase -  mzteris   Apr-17-10 05:47 PM   #58 
                 - Frustrating, isn't it?  alstephenson   Apr-19-10 05:23 PM   #82 
              - Money. That's what stops them.  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-17-10 04:28 PM   #52 
              - p2bl - I will personally help you write the proposals  mzteris   Apr-17-10 05:51 PM   #59 
              - oh wow! What a GREAT IDEA! Why didn't someone  mzteris   Apr-17-10 05:30 PM   #56 
              - WHAT?  mzteris   Apr-17-10 05:29 PM   #55 
     - Nope. Not a chance of that.  adnelson60087   Apr-17-10 02:39 PM   #26 
     - never been inside a classroom?  mzteris   Apr-17-10 02:51 PM   #29 
        - Wow. You really went there.  alstephenson   Apr-19-10 05:27 PM   #83 
     - Ha! Good luck with that train of thought around here...  alstephenson   Apr-19-10 05:16 PM   #81 
  - The problem with that children's zone model  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-17-10 01:49 PM   #9 
  - I agree, good for Howard..  DCBob   Apr-17-10 01:45 PM   #7 
  - More about Geoffrey Canada and his zero tolerance creed.  madfloridian   Apr-17-10 01:51 PM   #10 
  - And what happened to 7th and 8th grades?  madfloridian   Apr-17-10 01:53 PM   #11 
     - Ssshhhhhh  Catshrink   Apr-17-10 01:58 PM   #13 
  - is Dean the new face of the New Dem approach to corporate educating?  nightrain   Apr-17-10 01:55 PM   #12 
  - Most Democratic leaders are on board with corporate educating.  madfloridian   Apr-17-10 01:59 PM   #15 
     - Oh, come on.  alstephenson   Apr-19-10 05:30 PM   #85 
  - so is the Dean bashing going to start now? n/t  mzteris   Apr-17-10 01:58 PM   #14 
  - yes  patrice   Apr-17-10 02:50 PM   #28 
     - Yes Again (nt)  Dinger   Apr-20-10 09:01 AM   #87 
  - Geoffrey attacks unions.  madfloridian   Apr-17-10 02:05 PM   #19 
  - Geoffrey says adults are to blame for any failures in kids' lives.  madfloridian   Apr-17-10 02:12 PM   #20 
  - "Kids are responsible for learning and for behavior."  Catshrink   Apr-17-10 02:19 PM   #21 
     - +100!  mzteris   Apr-17-10 03:00 PM   #35 
  - Recommended and thanks for sharing with us his thoughts.  NYC_SKP   Apr-17-10 02:19 PM   #22 
  - one more time: ALL CHARTER schools are PUBLIC schools!  mzteris   Apr-17-10 06:16 PM   #65 
     - .  NYC_SKP   Apr-17-10 06:41 PM   #66 
     - The "fuss" is all bs stuff.  mzteris   Apr-17-10 08:33 PM   #67 
     - That is just absolutely not true.  madfloridian   Apr-19-10 05:30 PM   #84 
     - Save your time and effort, mzteris.  alstephenson   Apr-19-10 05:33 PM   #86 
  - I understand what he means but  zipplewrath   Apr-17-10 02:27 PM   #23 
  - Dean also said  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-17-10 02:49 PM   #27 
  - and we should LISTEN to each other!  mzteris   Apr-17-10 03:01 PM   #36 
  - He listens  zipplewrath   Apr-17-10 03:26 PM   #43 
     - Howard DEAN? n/t  mzteris   Apr-17-10 05:52 PM   #60 
  - Yeah, but remember what Rahm said.  Catshrink   Apr-17-10 03:08 PM   #37 
  - I interpreted that to mean,  mzteris   Apr-17-10 02:58 PM   #33 
     - Three more years  zipplewrath   Apr-17-10 03:23 PM   #41 
        - "reject your ideas"  mzteris   Apr-17-10 05:10 PM   #54 
           - No, I expect him not to brag  zipplewrath   Apr-18-10 11:06 AM   #77 
  - Dean is a reformer, not a press secretary for the NEA  bluestateguy   Apr-17-10 02:55 PM   #31 
  - That is not "reform". That is privatization of education.  madfloridian   Apr-17-10 02:56 PM   #32 
  - I'm not in that latter category  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-17-10 03:15 PM   #38 
  - Yeah, and the rest are shills for the charter school industry.  Catshrink   Apr-17-10 03:17 PM   #39 
     - No, they/we are not!  mzteris   Apr-17-10 05:55 PM   #61 
  - I think the fundamental criteria should be Function & Commitment.  patrice   Apr-17-10 02:59 PM   #34 
  - The main problem with education, IMO, is the lack of a standardized curriculum.  SPedigrees   Apr-17-10 03:32 PM   #44 
  - Dirty words, those! But I am with you on that. There NEEDS to be a balance and there's nothing even  patrice   Apr-17-10 03:43 PM   #46 
  - Yeah because every single teacher and every single student in every single school  Catshrink   Apr-17-10 05:41 PM   #57 
     - see? You do get some of the concepts . . .  mzteris   Apr-17-10 06:09 PM   #63 
     - Dean talked about standards too  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-17-10 10:56 PM   #70 
     - ITA with that.  Catshrink   Apr-17-10 11:05 PM   #71 
     - Teachers had plenty of lattitude to teach creatively or otherwise when I went to school.  SPedigrees   Apr-18-10 12:25 AM   #73 
  - Diane Ravitch addresses this in her book.  Catshrink   Apr-17-10 03:44 PM   #47 
  - "keep our message focused on the kids"  madfloridian   Apr-17-10 03:53 PM   #49 
  - Look at it this way:  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-17-10 04:42 PM   #53 
     - I disagree.  madfloridian   Apr-17-10 06:01 PM   #62 
     - And I agree with you completely  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-17-10 10:48 PM   #68 
        - And so often we assume our concern for children is implicit  Catshrink   Apr-17-10 11:07 PM   #72 
        - I fully believe that you - most of you -  mzteris   Apr-18-10 12:45 AM   #75 
        - oh puhleeze -  mzteris   Apr-18-10 12:43 AM   #74 
     - "We can unite if we focus on kids."  mzteris   Apr-17-10 06:11 PM   #64 
  - Doctor Dean is absolutely right  NJmaverick   Apr-17-10 03:53 PM   #50 
  - Spoken like a politician...who does not "get" education.  MichiganVote   Apr-18-10 11:03 AM   #76 
  - Exactly right.  madfloridian   Apr-18-10 11:14 AM   #78 
     - He never did have much of a platform for education n/t  MichiganVote   Apr-18-10 05:39 PM   #79 
  - What a reasonable response.  alstephenson   Apr-19-10 05:14 PM   #80 
 

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