| 126. Um. So are you suggesting |
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that the woman's decision to not be subjected to almost a year of involuntary servitude, with a high degree of physical risk, followed by either unwanted and unplanned parenthood (compounded by an unwanted and unplanned lifetime relationship with the man), or into coerced participation in the quasi-legal human trafficking scheme of adoption mills and soulless independent grifters in the field, is not of sufficient intent and import on its own?
And if a woman has essentially made this decision, isn't it kind of insulting to suggest that the "thoughts and opinions" of the man "should... (be) take(n) into account"? As if, should the man's opinion be that he wants what the woman doesn't want, the woman should then accede to his opinion and do EXACTLY what she most emphatically does NOT want to do?
The situation is really like the old story about breakfast... the chicken is just a participant, but the pig is committed. The man is just a participant, but the woman is committed.
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| -Should men have a say about abortion? |
question everything |
May-22-09 01:23 PM |
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Only if the effected woman wishes to bring one in on her decision. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-09 01:27 PM |
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Good answer. n/t |
lamp_shade |
May-22-09 01:30 PM |
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The only one I could think of that made any sense. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-09 01:35 PM |
#5 |
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This is true in our "western" society |
question everything |
May-22-09 01:48 PM |
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Dec-19-09 03:06 PM |
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It's her body and her choice. No man should have veto power over |
kestrel91316 |
May-22-09 01:33 PM |
#3 |
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Should a man be compelled to pay child support for a child |
Blue Meany |
May-22-09 01:52 PM |
#11 |
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you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong |
Scout |
May-22-09 02:04 PM |
#12 |
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The fact that the woman's health is at stake obviously gives |
Blue Meany |
May-22-09 02:21 PM |
#13 |
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nope. he can neither compell her to abort nor to carry to term. |
Scout |
May-22-09 02:38 PM |
#14 |
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You don't seem to see the contradiction in your position |
Blue Meany |
May-22-09 04:08 PM |
#18 |
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From a legal perspective, the issue is the rights of the child |
ProgressiveProfessor |
May-22-09 08:28 PM |
#20 |
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What if she gives the child to the father. Should she be responsible for child support? |
uppityperson |
May-22-09 11:17 PM |
#26 |
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Under the law, yes she is |
jberryhill |
Jun-13-09 02:29 PM |
#39 |
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I understand how child support works, wanted to see if that poster did |
uppityperson |
Jun-13-09 04:27 PM |
#41 |
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Your basic fallacy is this idea that child support is something women get from men |
jberryhill |
Jun-13-09 02:32 PM |
#40 |
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Men shouldn't have to |
Azalea |
Jul-11-09 03:34 PM |
#43 |
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This is a question for the antichoicers actually |
Piwi2009 |
Aug-27-09 09:42 PM |
#65 |
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There's no contradiction |
Euromutt |
Oct-30-09 07:12 AM |
#80 |
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Both men and women have choices in pregnancy. A man's choice in the matter |
beyurslf |
Dec-07-09 11:19 AM |
#102 |
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That's rather sexist... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 12:03 PM |
#146 |
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"women are that mentally incompetent, they should not have the choice of an abortion"? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 12:07 PM |
#147 |
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Try reading the entire sentence in context |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 12:25 PM |
#152 |
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"A woman has a choice beyond that because it is her body and her health." |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 12:30 PM |
#153 |
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Yes it is her body and her health |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 12:35 PM |
#155 |
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"forcing" child support is = to "forcing" pregnancy? No. It isn't. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 12:51 PM |
#157 |
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You're right - it isnt equal... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:01 PM |
#158 |
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"true equality would mean that" everything about it was equal. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:02 PM |
#159 |
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You're wanting equality of outcome |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:12 PM |
#163 |
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It isn't equal. Until men can get pregnant, it won't be equal. No, the woman doesn't have the sole |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:17 PM |
#168 |
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She doesn't have the sole right to get pregnant? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:20 PM |
#174 |
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I see. Here's a thought: maybe the men putting their penii into women like that should think about |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:23 PM |
#177 |
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So you're saying basically... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:27 PM |
#181 |
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Who is saying women "should have zero responsibility for their choices in the sexual act" except |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:31 PM |
#186 |
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no, you're sorely and sadly and ridiculously misguided. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:32 PM |
#188 |
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What is misguided? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:35 PM |
#191 |
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"Some" not "The" financial responsibility for "their child". |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:36 PM |
#193 |
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I get it now. A woman fucked you over and you hate them all now. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:38 PM |
#194 |
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LOL Oh how wrong you are.... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:43 PM |
#198 |
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Men don't get pregnant, women do = "blatant hypocrisy"? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:45 PM |
#200 |
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Again, you're conflating pregnancy... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:48 PM |
#202 |
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You conflate "equal" with "fair". We, including you, have been saying "equal" |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:51 PM |
#205 |
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Its neither fair nor equal. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:52 PM |
#208 |
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Who is claiming anything about "equal rights" except you? We acknowledge it isn't |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:54 PM |
#210 |
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Apparently you missed the comment... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:56 PM |
#214 |
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Re-read the flipping OP that you are in. The question was whether men should have a say in abortion. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 07:13 PM |
#241 |
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The reply to me here told me EVERYTHING I need to know, dude. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-26-11 07:40 AM |
#243 |
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Furthermore, as we have both stated |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:41 PM |
#197 |
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It is not objective fact... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:45 PM |
#201 |
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What? The law prohibits men from getting pregnant? Huh. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:48 PM |
#203 |
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And men never lie about being fixed, or use condoms that "break"? I know women |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:26 PM |
#180 |
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Sure they do. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:29 PM |
#183 |
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Your dream world of equality only works in a world where men can be impregnated. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:12 PM |
#164 |
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So then... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:15 PM |
#167 |
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Until men can get pregnant, it won't be "equal". Simple physiology. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:18 PM |
#171 |
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No shit? Really? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:22 PM |
#176 |
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A pregnancy carried to term does not magically equate to financial support by the father. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:21 PM |
#175 |
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Here in the United States |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:25 PM |
#179 |
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lol. As if. And then there's the real world. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:30 PM |
#185 |
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Sounds like your problem is really... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:41 PM |
#196 |
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My anecdotes are just as good as any of yours. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:43 PM |
#199 |
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Yeah so? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:50 PM |
#204 |
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There is no contradiction. |
Zoeisright |
Dec-13-10 03:49 PM |
#110 |
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Cheers! |
Kceres |
May-22-09 02:53 PM |
#15 |
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Right. Isn't it interesting that it is men: the Pope, priests |
question everything |
May-22-09 11:31 PM |
#28 |
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He had his choice |
Warpy |
May-22-09 03:58 PM |
#17 |
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What if they had agreed to no children and that she would be responsible for contraception? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
May-22-09 08:31 PM |
#21 |
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It's still the only time he gets to exercise his own choice |
Warpy |
May-22-09 08:35 PM |
#22 |
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You missed the entire point...there are limitations on some choices when it involves children |
ProgressiveProfessor |
May-22-09 08:38 PM |
#23 |
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No, you're missing the point. |
Warpy |
May-22-09 08:43 PM |
#24 |
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Sometimes condoms fail. If he has sex, he takes the risk of pregnancy |
uppityperson |
May-22-09 11:19 PM |
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Dec-19-09 03:08 PM |
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Is that why |
Azalea |
Jul-11-09 03:38 PM |
#44 |
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Their agreement has no effect on other people's rights - particularly the child |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 10:52 PM |
#37 |
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Consent to have sex does not = consent to parenting or childbirth |
ehrnst |
Jan-03-11 02:47 PM |
#119 |
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Yes. He deposited sperm that made her pregnant. Yes, it is her body, her life at stake |
uppityperson |
May-22-09 11:15 PM |
#25 |
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If a man doesn't want to have a child, but wants to have sex, it is incumbent |
Book Lover |
May-30-09 03:45 PM |
#30 |
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But no birth control is 100% effective, so celibacy is the only for sure option. |
ehrnst |
Jan-03-11 02:48 PM |
#120 |
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And THAT'S why there is choice! |
Lursa CB |
May-08-11 11:28 PM |
#132 |
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The answer to that is very simple |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 10:50 PM |
#36 |
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yes because being pro-choice means you believe women should not be coherced into terminating |
Iris |
Jul-26-09 07:12 PM |
#46 |
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her body, her decision |
Lursa CB |
May-08-11 10:02 PM |
#131 |
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Of course men should have a say. |
RaleighNCDUer |
May-22-09 01:34 PM |
#4 |
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That's as close to the perfect summary as can be achieved |
Euromutt |
Oct-30-09 07:21 AM |
#81 |
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if they are willing to carry the fetus to term in their bodies, then yes. n/t |
eShirl |
May-22-09 01:36 PM |
#6 |
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Exactly. Any man who is pregnant should be able to decide whether or not |
Sal Minella |
May-22-09 03:03 PM |
#16 |
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No. A man who impregnates a woman who does not want to be pregnant |
qb |
May-22-09 01:40 PM |
#7 |
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IF asked/consulted - "I'll support you 110% in whatever you decide to do" |
pkdu |
May-22-09 01:41 PM |
#8 |
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Oh, they can say what they want to and generally insist |
Warpy |
May-22-09 01:43 PM |
#9 |
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The woman may consult, but the decision should be hers alone. |
Libertyfirst |
May-22-09 04:39 PM |
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May-25-09 05:36 AM |
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When men are the ones who have to risk their lives to carry the child, yes. |
Lyric |
May-31-09 01:24 PM |
#31 |
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what's "a say"? |
iverglas |
Jun-02-09 04:42 PM |
#32 |
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I take exception to some of what you say here |
rd_kent |
Jun-09-09 04:44 PM |
#33 |
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do you, now? |
iverglas |
Jun-12-09 02:48 PM |
#34 |
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"why is the sperm donor then held responsible for the support of the child?" |
jberryhill |
Jun-13-09 02:27 PM |
#38 |
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Only if he is the woman's medical provider and that would be... |
Hepburn |
Jun-12-09 09:46 PM |
#35 |
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Men should have a say about support, since that is one of the determining factors for abortions. |
joshcryer |
Jun-15-09 01:13 AM |
#42 |
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Think of it this way - if a man decides he will not support a child, he is essentially makeing the |
Iris |
Jul-26-09 07:14 PM |
#47 |
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No |
Glory89fan |
Jul-25-09 10:06 PM |
#45 |
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Only if the woman asks for |
Control-Z |
Jul-26-09 09:48 PM |
#48 |
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Absolutely NOT! |
kaylynwright |
Jul-27-09 01:11 PM |
#49 |
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As if pregnancy was a detrimant to ones health |
Babykayx |
Aug-11-09 12:22 AM |
#50 |
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A woman in perfect health going into labor and delivery can have any number of |
Lars39 |
Aug-11-09 02:05 PM |
#51 |
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Not to mention health issues while pregnant. |
uppityperson |
Aug-11-09 02:09 PM |
#53 |
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Maternal death rates. "men should have a say", do you mean morally or legally? |
uppityperson |
Aug-11-09 02:06 PM |
#52 |
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Men should have a say morally |
Babykayx |
Aug-12-09 07:54 AM |
#57 |
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got it. thank you for clarifying |
uppityperson |
Aug-12-09 12:53 PM |
#59 |
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haha |
iverglas |
Aug-11-09 02:12 PM |
#54 |
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I know what this part means (and thank you for taking the time you have) |
uppityperson |
Aug-11-09 05:32 PM |
#55 |
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Your taking what I said the wrong way |
Babykayx |
Aug-12-09 07:51 AM |
#56 |
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this is what we call |
iverglas |
Aug-12-09 10:03 AM |
#58 |
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use square brackets to make things bold/etc.... here.... |
uppityperson |
Aug-12-09 01:03 PM |
#60 |
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Well, it certainly is now. Heard of H1N1? |
Iris |
Aug-29-09 07:31 PM |
#67 |
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Yemeni girl, 12, dies in painful childbirth |
Iris |
Sep-14-09 11:38 AM |
#75 |
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Absolutely not |
lovecanada56035 |
Aug-12-09 08:28 PM |
#61 |
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"baby" |
iverglas |
Aug-13-09 12:53 AM |
#62 |
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You've met my new best buddy! |
uppityperson |
Aug-13-09 12:58 AM |
#63 |
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Men have a say in abortion |
Piwi2009 |
Aug-27-09 09:35 PM |
#64 |
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Sep-01-09 10:55 AM |
#68 |
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Absolutely not |
rj5690 |
Aug-28-09 02:51 AM |
#66 |
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Sep-07-09 02:03 AM |
#69 |
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what do you like on your pizza? n/t |
Scout |
Sep-07-09 08:14 AM |
#70 |
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I believe a man should have a choice the same as the woman |
marshall |
Sep-12-09 10:51 AM |
#71 |
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that window of opportunity exists before he deposits sperm |
Scout |
Sep-12-09 05:13 PM |
#72 |
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I think the best time for a man to "abort" his responsibility is during the pregnancy |
marshall |
Sep-12-09 10:26 PM |
#73 |
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nope |
Scout |
Sep-14-09 11:58 AM |
#77 |
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So even if maximum precaution is taken |
rd_kent |
Sep-13-09 08:44 AM |
#74 |
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yup, that's the way it is |
Scout |
Sep-14-09 11:57 AM |
#76 |
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So you're pro-choice as long as the woman does what the man wants? n/t |
Scout |
Sep-14-09 11:59 AM |
#78 |
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It's a sad thing - But no, men shouldn't have a say. |
badacid |
Oct-13-09 12:41 PM |
#79 |
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That window of opportunity lies in his decision to have unprotected sex. |
Heidi |
Nov-03-09 11:41 AM |
#89 |
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that is up to the woman |
Amaya |
Oct-30-09 03:53 PM |
#82 |
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I think women can be generally trusted to involve the man if it's appropriate. |
PeaceNikki |
Oct-30-09 05:27 PM |
#83 |
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If you believe that... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 12:08 PM |
#148 |
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wow. So, you think women, in general, canNOT be trusted? |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:09 PM |
#161 |
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Rather like teens informing their parents if it's appropriate. I agree. Mandating |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 12:20 PM |
#151 |
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I realize that there's a genuine opposition here to giving a man |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-03-09 07:36 AM |
#84 |
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Oh bullshit. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-03-09 08:43 AM |
#85 |
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Perhaps you'd care to elaborate |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-03-09 03:38 PM |
#93 |
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Your hypotheticals are bullshit. Every word you said is bullshit. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-03-09 03:59 PM |
#95 |
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Ah, thanks, I figured you out |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-03-09 04:41 PM |
#96 |
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I contend that if you have sex and a pregnancy results, it's 100% up to the woman to |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-03-09 05:12 PM |
#98 |
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When it's in MY body, it's what _I_ say it is: fetus or baby. Once it's born, it MAY be your child. |
Heidi |
Nov-03-09 11:14 AM |
#86 |
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He should have picked a better hypothetical lover. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-03-09 11:16 AM |
#87 |
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Are you telling me that men DO have ways to prevent abortions? |
Heidi |
Nov-03-09 11:27 AM |
#88 |
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Thanks for launching into a screed |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-03-09 03:31 PM |
#91 |
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Should approval of both partners be mandated before buying contraception? |
uppityperson |
Nov-03-09 02:51 PM |
#90 |
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There's a difference with most forms of BC |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-03-09 03:36 PM |
#92 |
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Not necessarily. Diaphram, foam, gel, even condoms have been used withouth the other one knowing |
uppityperson |
Nov-03-09 03:47 PM |
#94 |
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Its clearly mandated when the woman chooses to keep the child |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-03-09 04:47 PM |
#97 |
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"the fact that the woman he's having sexual relations with has snuffed the life of his child" |
uppityperson |
Nov-04-09 02:38 AM |
#99 |
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I'm talking about a situation where a man in a committed relationship |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-04-09 07:39 AM |
#100 |
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It works both ways |
HockeyMom |
Dec-14-10 06:31 PM |
#116 |
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Dec-06-09 08:44 PM |
#101 |
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I believe it is a woman's chioce what to do. SHe can decide who is important in her life |
beyurslf |
Dec-07-09 11:22 AM |
#103 |
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Only if the woman chooses to involve the man in the decision. (nt) |
ehrnst |
Dec-17-09 08:17 AM |
#104 |
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If she chooses to have a child contrary to what the man wants and she wants child support |
rd_kent |
Dec-20-09 02:52 PM |
#107 |
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Child support is not pregnancy. They are not interchangable as rights or obligations. (nt) |
ehrnst |
Jan-03-11 02:27 PM |
#118 |
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"child support" is to support the child. It has nothing to do with "she wants" but |
uppityperson |
Jan-05-11 12:25 PM |
#121 |
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Don't expect a response. |
PeaceNikki |
Jan-05-11 04:21 PM |
#122 |
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Huh, thanks. |
uppityperson |
Jan-06-11 12:47 AM |
#123 |
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Dec-12-10 05:01 PM |
#108 |
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No. |
Zoeisright |
Dec-13-10 03:48 PM |
#109 |
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Agreed. |
cleanhippie |
Dec-13-10 04:02 PM |
#111 |
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Fail. Then he should have not contributed his sperm. |
uppityperson |
Dec-13-10 04:14 PM |
#112 |
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Your fail. |
cleanhippie |
Dec-13-10 04:21 PM |
#113 |
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You're the one confusing medical rights with child support. |
Lars39 |
Dec-13-10 04:38 PM |
#114 |
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Am I? |
cleanhippie |
Dec-13-10 11:38 PM |
#115 |
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Only if the woman who is pregnant involves him voluntarily. (nt) |
ehrnst |
Jan-03-11 02:26 PM |
#117 |
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I feel the overall decision rests with the woman |
ObsessiveAlchemist |
Jan-21-11 06:42 PM |
#124 |
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Legally "should" or morally/ethically "should"? Welcome to Du |
uppityperson |
Jan-21-11 09:27 PM |
#125 |
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Um. So are you suggesting |
musette_sf |
Jan-22-11 06:24 PM |
#126 |
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Men can offer their opinion and make an argument, but the final choice needs to be up to the woman. |
ZombieHorde |
Jan-23-11 11:42 PM |
#127 |
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There's no "a" say when you're talking about abortion. There is only "the" say. |
wickerwoman |
Feb-17-11 01:07 PM |
#128 |
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the guy who got her pregnant should be involved but beyond banning it |
Green_Lantern |
Mar-03-11 03:47 PM |
#129 |
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This is an easy question for me - no |
Politicub |
Mar-04-11 08:10 AM |
#130 |
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An advisory position |
Devin M |
Oct-23-11 02:33 PM |
#133 |
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ONLY if his advice is sought out by the woman ... |
Scout |
Oct-24-11 01:39 PM |
#134 |
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Intesteing topic |
clockworkgirl21 |
Oct-29-11 03:39 AM |
#135 |
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Because women put their health and lives at risk to carry and deliver children |
PeaceNikki |
Oct-29-11 10:22 AM |
#136 |
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You mean everything isn't equal? Everything isn't "fair"? Indeed. |
uppityperson |
Oct-29-11 01:04 PM |
#137 |
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I think you meant to respond to the n00b |
PeaceNikki |
Oct-29-11 04:53 PM |
#139 |
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hiya, indeed. |
uppityperson |
Oct-29-11 09:31 PM |
#140 |
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I never stated that a man should be able to stop a woman from aborting. |
clockworkgirl21 |
Nov-21-11 01:01 PM |
#141 |
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"just because of a choice a woman made" |
Scout |
Nov-21-11 01:12 PM |
#142 |
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A man shouldn't be "stuck" with paying child support because the woman chose to not abort? |
uppityperson |
Nov-21-11 05:56 PM |
#143 |
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Did said woman RAPE the man?!?! |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-22-11 12:31 PM |
#144 |
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Did said man RAPE the woman? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 12:13 PM |
#149 |
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Did you know every method of contraception has failures? How does that factor in with you? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 12:19 PM |
#150 |
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Same way. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 12:31 PM |
#154 |
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Actual equality would dictate he become pregnant. Since that doesn't happen, yes, she |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 12:48 PM |
#156 |
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No, that isn't actual equality |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:07 PM |
#160 |
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Making things the same for both doesn't = equality? Huh. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:15 PM |
#166 |
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I recognize women have the greater risk. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:17 PM |
#170 |
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Why? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:20 PM |
#173 |
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I have explained why repeatedly. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:30 PM |
#184 |
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If he took "all precautions", did his vasectomy fail? Why should he be partially financially respons |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 02:22 PM |
#218 |
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I agree 100% |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:27 PM |
#221 |
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Should a man have a say about abortion? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 02:35 PM |
#224 |
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You keep focusing on the assumption the man will avoid responsibility. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:38 PM |
#226 |
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Should a man be able to deny a woman an abortion because he wants a child? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 02:42 PM |
#229 |
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Should he be? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:47 PM |
#231 |
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Your dream world of equality only works in a world where men can be impregnated. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:11 PM |
#162 |
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No it doesnt. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:14 PM |
#165 |
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And you're acting as though equality of choice is equality of risk. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:17 PM |
#169 |
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but it's not faaaaiiirrrrr!!!111. Good grief, next thing you know he'll complain he's being "forced" |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:19 PM |
#172 |
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I agree 100%. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:31 PM |
#187 |
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You keep acting as though a man's fucking MONEY is their body. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:36 PM |
#192 |
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You don't think losing as much as 25% of your post tax income is oppressive? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:51 PM |
#206 |
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You think a man should have no responsibility towards a child he helped make, simply |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:52 PM |
#207 |
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Why not? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:53 PM |
#209 |
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you are 6, your 10 yr old brother gets to stay up later. that isn't fair either. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:55 PM |
#213 |
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For fuck's sake, no that is not what I'm saying. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:57 PM |
#215 |
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No man should be responsible for a child he helped make unless he wants to. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:59 PM |
#217 |
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If things were to be equal, yes that is correct. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:23 PM |
#219 |
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Life isn't about making everything equal or "fair". |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 02:33 PM |
#222 |
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I never said it was. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:34 PM |
#223 |
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Now you are back to equating pregnancy/childbirth issue to his financial support of a child. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 02:38 PM |
#225 |
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So then... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:40 PM |
#228 |
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I like purple |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 02:44 PM |
#230 |
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So when each of the parties |
musette_sf |
Nov-25-11 05:58 PM |
#240 |
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The woman takes on ALL of the risk |
musette_sf |
Oct-29-11 03:16 PM |
#138 |
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Of course he should |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 11:59 AM |
#145 |
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lol, his financal support is NOT "his body", but that's cute. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:25 PM |
#178 |
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Name removed |
Nov-25-11 01:32 PM |
#189 |
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Does she control where he lives, where he works, what he eats, when he sleeps, how fast he |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:34 PM |
#190 |
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And it's disgusting that he keeps acting as though it is. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:40 PM |
#195 |
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In a way, yes she does. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:54 PM |
#212 |
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Oh, I understand you. You think a man should have no responsibility towards a child he helped make |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:57 PM |
#216 |
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In the context of the question from the OP.... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:26 PM |
#220 |
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Let's pretend the man does have a say. Should he be able to make her abort so he doesn't |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 02:40 PM |
#227 |
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He should not be permitted to force an abortion |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:48 PM |
#232 |
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Thank you for agreeing he should not have a say, not force abortion or non. eom |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 03:06 PM |
#233 |
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I never said he should not have a say. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 03:25 PM |
#234 |
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You said he shouldn't force. What sort of say should he have regarding abortion or not? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 03:28 PM |
#235 |
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One more time... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 04:02 PM |
#236 |
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One more time... |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 04:13 PM |
#237 |
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He should have the right to... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 04:26 PM |
#238 |
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Her decision is not "informed" without the male giving his opinion? Would you like that |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 04:38 PM |
#239 |
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How does the woman control his body? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:28 PM |
#182 |
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some men are just pissed because, nowadays, they can't get away |
Scout |
Nov-25-11 01:54 PM |
#211 |
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Exactly. Well said. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 07:15 PM |
#242 |
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Heh. DNA testing has been a double edged sword |
ZenaD |
Nov-28-11 09:34 PM |
#245 |
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An opinion, yes. Veto power, no. |
ZenaD |
Nov-28-11 09:31 PM |
#244 |
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