| 81. That's as close to the perfect summary as can be achieved |
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I was casting about for analogies along the lines of the woman having the "casting vote," but I like your summary much better.
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| -Should men have a say about abortion? |
question everything |
May-22-09 01:23 PM |
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Only if the effected woman wishes to bring one in on her decision. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-09 01:27 PM |
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Good answer. n/t |
lamp_shade |
May-22-09 01:30 PM |
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The only one I could think of that made any sense. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-09 01:35 PM |
#5 |
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This is true in our "western" society |
question everything |
May-22-09 01:48 PM |
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Dec-19-09 03:06 PM |
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It's her body and her choice. No man should have veto power over |
kestrel91316 |
May-22-09 01:33 PM |
#3 |
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Should a man be compelled to pay child support for a child |
Blue Meany |
May-22-09 01:52 PM |
#11 |
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you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong |
Scout |
May-22-09 02:04 PM |
#12 |
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The fact that the woman's health is at stake obviously gives |
Blue Meany |
May-22-09 02:21 PM |
#13 |
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nope. he can neither compell her to abort nor to carry to term. |
Scout |
May-22-09 02:38 PM |
#14 |
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You don't seem to see the contradiction in your position |
Blue Meany |
May-22-09 04:08 PM |
#18 |
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From a legal perspective, the issue is the rights of the child |
ProgressiveProfessor |
May-22-09 08:28 PM |
#20 |
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What if she gives the child to the father. Should she be responsible for child support? |
uppityperson |
May-22-09 11:17 PM |
#26 |
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Under the law, yes she is |
jberryhill |
Jun-13-09 02:29 PM |
#39 |
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I understand how child support works, wanted to see if that poster did |
uppityperson |
Jun-13-09 04:27 PM |
#41 |
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Your basic fallacy is this idea that child support is something women get from men |
jberryhill |
Jun-13-09 02:32 PM |
#40 |
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Men shouldn't have to |
Azalea |
Jul-11-09 03:34 PM |
#43 |
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This is a question for the antichoicers actually |
Piwi2009 |
Aug-27-09 09:42 PM |
#65 |
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There's no contradiction |
Euromutt |
Oct-30-09 07:12 AM |
#80 |
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Both men and women have choices in pregnancy. A man's choice in the matter |
beyurslf |
Dec-07-09 11:19 AM |
#102 |
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That's rather sexist... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 12:03 PM |
#146 |
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"women are that mentally incompetent, they should not have the choice of an abortion"? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 12:07 PM |
#147 |
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Try reading the entire sentence in context |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 12:25 PM |
#152 |
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"A woman has a choice beyond that because it is her body and her health." |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 12:30 PM |
#153 |
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Yes it is her body and her health |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 12:35 PM |
#155 |
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"forcing" child support is = to "forcing" pregnancy? No. It isn't. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 12:51 PM |
#157 |
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You're right - it isnt equal... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:01 PM |
#158 |
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"true equality would mean that" everything about it was equal. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:02 PM |
#159 |
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You're wanting equality of outcome |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:12 PM |
#163 |
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It isn't equal. Until men can get pregnant, it won't be equal. No, the woman doesn't have the sole |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:17 PM |
#168 |
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She doesn't have the sole right to get pregnant? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:20 PM |
#174 |
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I see. Here's a thought: maybe the men putting their penii into women like that should think about |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:23 PM |
#177 |
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So you're saying basically... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:27 PM |
#181 |
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Who is saying women "should have zero responsibility for their choices in the sexual act" except |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:31 PM |
#186 |
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no, you're sorely and sadly and ridiculously misguided. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:32 PM |
#188 |
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What is misguided? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:35 PM |
#191 |
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"Some" not "The" financial responsibility for "their child". |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:36 PM |
#193 |
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I get it now. A woman fucked you over and you hate them all now. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:38 PM |
#194 |
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LOL Oh how wrong you are.... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:43 PM |
#198 |
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Men don't get pregnant, women do = "blatant hypocrisy"? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:45 PM |
#200 |
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Again, you're conflating pregnancy... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:48 PM |
#202 |
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You conflate "equal" with "fair". We, including you, have been saying "equal" |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:51 PM |
#205 |
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Its neither fair nor equal. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:52 PM |
#208 |
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Who is claiming anything about "equal rights" except you? We acknowledge it isn't |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:54 PM |
#210 |
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Apparently you missed the comment... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:56 PM |
#214 |
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Re-read the flipping OP that you are in. The question was whether men should have a say in abortion. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 07:13 PM |
#241 |
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The reply to me here told me EVERYTHING I need to know, dude. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-26-11 07:40 AM |
#243 |
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Furthermore, as we have both stated |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:41 PM |
#197 |
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It is not objective fact... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:45 PM |
#201 |
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What? The law prohibits men from getting pregnant? Huh. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:48 PM |
#203 |
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And men never lie about being fixed, or use condoms that "break"? I know women |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:26 PM |
#180 |
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Sure they do. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:29 PM |
#183 |
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Your dream world of equality only works in a world where men can be impregnated. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:12 PM |
#164 |
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So then... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:15 PM |
#167 |
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Until men can get pregnant, it won't be "equal". Simple physiology. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:18 PM |
#171 |
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No shit? Really? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:22 PM |
#176 |
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A pregnancy carried to term does not magically equate to financial support by the father. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:21 PM |
#175 |
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Here in the United States |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:25 PM |
#179 |
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lol. As if. And then there's the real world. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:30 PM |
#185 |
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Sounds like your problem is really... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:41 PM |
#196 |
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My anecdotes are just as good as any of yours. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:43 PM |
#199 |
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Yeah so? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:50 PM |
#204 |
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There is no contradiction. |
Zoeisright |
Dec-13-10 03:49 PM |
#110 |
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Cheers! |
Kceres |
May-22-09 02:53 PM |
#15 |
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Right. Isn't it interesting that it is men: the Pope, priests |
question everything |
May-22-09 11:31 PM |
#28 |
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He had his choice |
Warpy |
May-22-09 03:58 PM |
#17 |
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What if they had agreed to no children and that she would be responsible for contraception? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
May-22-09 08:31 PM |
#21 |
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It's still the only time he gets to exercise his own choice |
Warpy |
May-22-09 08:35 PM |
#22 |
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You missed the entire point...there are limitations on some choices when it involves children |
ProgressiveProfessor |
May-22-09 08:38 PM |
#23 |
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No, you're missing the point. |
Warpy |
May-22-09 08:43 PM |
#24 |
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Sometimes condoms fail. If he has sex, he takes the risk of pregnancy |
uppityperson |
May-22-09 11:19 PM |
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Dec-19-09 03:08 PM |
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Is that why |
Azalea |
Jul-11-09 03:38 PM |
#44 |
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Their agreement has no effect on other people's rights - particularly the child |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 10:52 PM |
#37 |
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Consent to have sex does not = consent to parenting or childbirth |
ehrnst |
Jan-03-11 02:47 PM |
#119 |
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Yes. He deposited sperm that made her pregnant. Yes, it is her body, her life at stake |
uppityperson |
May-22-09 11:15 PM |
#25 |
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If a man doesn't want to have a child, but wants to have sex, it is incumbent |
Book Lover |
May-30-09 03:45 PM |
#30 |
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But no birth control is 100% effective, so celibacy is the only for sure option. |
ehrnst |
Jan-03-11 02:48 PM |
#120 |
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And THAT'S why there is choice! |
Lursa CB |
May-08-11 11:28 PM |
#132 |
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The answer to that is very simple |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 10:50 PM |
#36 |
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yes because being pro-choice means you believe women should not be coherced into terminating |
Iris |
Jul-26-09 07:12 PM |
#46 |
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her body, her decision |
Lursa CB |
May-08-11 10:02 PM |
#131 |
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Of course men should have a say. |
RaleighNCDUer |
May-22-09 01:34 PM |
#4 |
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That's as close to the perfect summary as can be achieved |
Euromutt |
Oct-30-09 07:21 AM |
#81 |
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if they are willing to carry the fetus to term in their bodies, then yes. n/t |
eShirl |
May-22-09 01:36 PM |
#6 |
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Exactly. Any man who is pregnant should be able to decide whether or not |
Sal Minella |
May-22-09 03:03 PM |
#16 |
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No. A man who impregnates a woman who does not want to be pregnant |
qb |
May-22-09 01:40 PM |
#7 |
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IF asked/consulted - "I'll support you 110% in whatever you decide to do" |
pkdu |
May-22-09 01:41 PM |
#8 |
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Oh, they can say what they want to and generally insist |
Warpy |
May-22-09 01:43 PM |
#9 |
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The woman may consult, but the decision should be hers alone. |
Libertyfirst |
May-22-09 04:39 PM |
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May-25-09 05:36 AM |
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When men are the ones who have to risk their lives to carry the child, yes. |
Lyric |
May-31-09 01:24 PM |
#31 |
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what's "a say"? |
iverglas |
Jun-02-09 04:42 PM |
#32 |
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I take exception to some of what you say here |
rd_kent |
Jun-09-09 04:44 PM |
#33 |
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do you, now? |
iverglas |
Jun-12-09 02:48 PM |
#34 |
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"why is the sperm donor then held responsible for the support of the child?" |
jberryhill |
Jun-13-09 02:27 PM |
#38 |
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Only if he is the woman's medical provider and that would be... |
Hepburn |
Jun-12-09 09:46 PM |
#35 |
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Men should have a say about support, since that is one of the determining factors for abortions. |
joshcryer |
Jun-15-09 01:13 AM |
#42 |
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Think of it this way - if a man decides he will not support a child, he is essentially makeing the |
Iris |
Jul-26-09 07:14 PM |
#47 |
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No |
Glory89fan |
Jul-25-09 10:06 PM |
#45 |
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Only if the woman asks for |
Control-Z |
Jul-26-09 09:48 PM |
#48 |
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Absolutely NOT! |
kaylynwright |
Jul-27-09 01:11 PM |
#49 |
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As if pregnancy was a detrimant to ones health |
Babykayx |
Aug-11-09 12:22 AM |
#50 |
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A woman in perfect health going into labor and delivery can have any number of |
Lars39 |
Aug-11-09 02:05 PM |
#51 |
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Not to mention health issues while pregnant. |
uppityperson |
Aug-11-09 02:09 PM |
#53 |
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Maternal death rates. "men should have a say", do you mean morally or legally? |
uppityperson |
Aug-11-09 02:06 PM |
#52 |
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Men should have a say morally |
Babykayx |
Aug-12-09 07:54 AM |
#57 |
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got it. thank you for clarifying |
uppityperson |
Aug-12-09 12:53 PM |
#59 |
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haha |
iverglas |
Aug-11-09 02:12 PM |
#54 |
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I know what this part means (and thank you for taking the time you have) |
uppityperson |
Aug-11-09 05:32 PM |
#55 |
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Your taking what I said the wrong way |
Babykayx |
Aug-12-09 07:51 AM |
#56 |
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this is what we call |
iverglas |
Aug-12-09 10:03 AM |
#58 |
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use square brackets to make things bold/etc.... here.... |
uppityperson |
Aug-12-09 01:03 PM |
#60 |
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Well, it certainly is now. Heard of H1N1? |
Iris |
Aug-29-09 07:31 PM |
#67 |
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Yemeni girl, 12, dies in painful childbirth |
Iris |
Sep-14-09 11:38 AM |
#75 |
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Absolutely not |
lovecanada56035 |
Aug-12-09 08:28 PM |
#61 |
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"baby" |
iverglas |
Aug-13-09 12:53 AM |
#62 |
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You've met my new best buddy! |
uppityperson |
Aug-13-09 12:58 AM |
#63 |
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Men have a say in abortion |
Piwi2009 |
Aug-27-09 09:35 PM |
#64 |
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Sep-01-09 10:55 AM |
#68 |
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Absolutely not |
rj5690 |
Aug-28-09 02:51 AM |
#66 |
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Sep-07-09 02:03 AM |
#69 |
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what do you like on your pizza? n/t |
Scout |
Sep-07-09 08:14 AM |
#70 |
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I believe a man should have a choice the same as the woman |
marshall |
Sep-12-09 10:51 AM |
#71 |
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that window of opportunity exists before he deposits sperm |
Scout |
Sep-12-09 05:13 PM |
#72 |
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I think the best time for a man to "abort" his responsibility is during the pregnancy |
marshall |
Sep-12-09 10:26 PM |
#73 |
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nope |
Scout |
Sep-14-09 11:58 AM |
#77 |
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So even if maximum precaution is taken |
rd_kent |
Sep-13-09 08:44 AM |
#74 |
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yup, that's the way it is |
Scout |
Sep-14-09 11:57 AM |
#76 |
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So you're pro-choice as long as the woman does what the man wants? n/t |
Scout |
Sep-14-09 11:59 AM |
#78 |
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It's a sad thing - But no, men shouldn't have a say. |
badacid |
Oct-13-09 12:41 PM |
#79 |
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That window of opportunity lies in his decision to have unprotected sex. |
Heidi |
Nov-03-09 11:41 AM |
#89 |
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that is up to the woman |
Amaya |
Oct-30-09 03:53 PM |
#82 |
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I think women can be generally trusted to involve the man if it's appropriate. |
PeaceNikki |
Oct-30-09 05:27 PM |
#83 |
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If you believe that... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 12:08 PM |
#148 |
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wow. So, you think women, in general, canNOT be trusted? |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:09 PM |
#161 |
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Rather like teens informing their parents if it's appropriate. I agree. Mandating |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 12:20 PM |
#151 |
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I realize that there's a genuine opposition here to giving a man |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-03-09 07:36 AM |
#84 |
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Oh bullshit. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-03-09 08:43 AM |
#85 |
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Perhaps you'd care to elaborate |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-03-09 03:38 PM |
#93 |
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Your hypotheticals are bullshit. Every word you said is bullshit. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-03-09 03:59 PM |
#95 |
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Ah, thanks, I figured you out |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-03-09 04:41 PM |
#96 |
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I contend that if you have sex and a pregnancy results, it's 100% up to the woman to |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-03-09 05:12 PM |
#98 |
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When it's in MY body, it's what _I_ say it is: fetus or baby. Once it's born, it MAY be your child. |
Heidi |
Nov-03-09 11:14 AM |
#86 |
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He should have picked a better hypothetical lover. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-03-09 11:16 AM |
#87 |
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Are you telling me that men DO have ways to prevent abortions? |
Heidi |
Nov-03-09 11:27 AM |
#88 |
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Thanks for launching into a screed |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-03-09 03:31 PM |
#91 |
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Should approval of both partners be mandated before buying contraception? |
uppityperson |
Nov-03-09 02:51 PM |
#90 |
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There's a difference with most forms of BC |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-03-09 03:36 PM |
#92 |
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Not necessarily. Diaphram, foam, gel, even condoms have been used withouth the other one knowing |
uppityperson |
Nov-03-09 03:47 PM |
#94 |
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Its clearly mandated when the woman chooses to keep the child |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-03-09 04:47 PM |
#97 |
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"the fact that the woman he's having sexual relations with has snuffed the life of his child" |
uppityperson |
Nov-04-09 02:38 AM |
#99 |
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I'm talking about a situation where a man in a committed relationship |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-04-09 07:39 AM |
#100 |
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It works both ways |
HockeyMom |
Dec-14-10 06:31 PM |
#116 |
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Dec-06-09 08:44 PM |
#101 |
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I believe it is a woman's chioce what to do. SHe can decide who is important in her life |
beyurslf |
Dec-07-09 11:22 AM |
#103 |
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Only if the woman chooses to involve the man in the decision. (nt) |
ehrnst |
Dec-17-09 08:17 AM |
#104 |
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If she chooses to have a child contrary to what the man wants and she wants child support |
rd_kent |
Dec-20-09 02:52 PM |
#107 |
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Child support is not pregnancy. They are not interchangable as rights or obligations. (nt) |
ehrnst |
Jan-03-11 02:27 PM |
#118 |
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"child support" is to support the child. It has nothing to do with "she wants" but |
uppityperson |
Jan-05-11 12:25 PM |
#121 |
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Don't expect a response. |
PeaceNikki |
Jan-05-11 04:21 PM |
#122 |
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Huh, thanks. |
uppityperson |
Jan-06-11 12:47 AM |
#123 |
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Dec-12-10 05:01 PM |
#108 |
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No. |
Zoeisright |
Dec-13-10 03:48 PM |
#109 |
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Agreed. |
cleanhippie |
Dec-13-10 04:02 PM |
#111 |
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Fail. Then he should have not contributed his sperm. |
uppityperson |
Dec-13-10 04:14 PM |
#112 |
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Your fail. |
cleanhippie |
Dec-13-10 04:21 PM |
#113 |
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You're the one confusing medical rights with child support. |
Lars39 |
Dec-13-10 04:38 PM |
#114 |
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Am I? |
cleanhippie |
Dec-13-10 11:38 PM |
#115 |
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Only if the woman who is pregnant involves him voluntarily. (nt) |
ehrnst |
Jan-03-11 02:26 PM |
#117 |
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I feel the overall decision rests with the woman |
ObsessiveAlchemist |
Jan-21-11 06:42 PM |
#124 |
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Legally "should" or morally/ethically "should"? Welcome to Du |
uppityperson |
Jan-21-11 09:27 PM |
#125 |
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Um. So are you suggesting |
musette_sf |
Jan-22-11 06:24 PM |
#126 |
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Men can offer their opinion and make an argument, but the final choice needs to be up to the woman. |
ZombieHorde |
Jan-23-11 11:42 PM |
#127 |
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There's no "a" say when you're talking about abortion. There is only "the" say. |
wickerwoman |
Feb-17-11 01:07 PM |
#128 |
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the guy who got her pregnant should be involved but beyond banning it |
Green_Lantern |
Mar-03-11 03:47 PM |
#129 |
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This is an easy question for me - no |
Politicub |
Mar-04-11 08:10 AM |
#130 |
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An advisory position |
Devin M |
Oct-23-11 02:33 PM |
#133 |
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ONLY if his advice is sought out by the woman ... |
Scout |
Oct-24-11 01:39 PM |
#134 |
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Intesteing topic |
clockworkgirl21 |
Oct-29-11 03:39 AM |
#135 |
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Because women put their health and lives at risk to carry and deliver children |
PeaceNikki |
Oct-29-11 10:22 AM |
#136 |
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You mean everything isn't equal? Everything isn't "fair"? Indeed. |
uppityperson |
Oct-29-11 01:04 PM |
#137 |
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I think you meant to respond to the n00b |
PeaceNikki |
Oct-29-11 04:53 PM |
#139 |
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hiya, indeed. |
uppityperson |
Oct-29-11 09:31 PM |
#140 |
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I never stated that a man should be able to stop a woman from aborting. |
clockworkgirl21 |
Nov-21-11 01:01 PM |
#141 |
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"just because of a choice a woman made" |
Scout |
Nov-21-11 01:12 PM |
#142 |
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A man shouldn't be "stuck" with paying child support because the woman chose to not abort? |
uppityperson |
Nov-21-11 05:56 PM |
#143 |
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Did said woman RAPE the man?!?! |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-22-11 12:31 PM |
#144 |
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Did said man RAPE the woman? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 12:13 PM |
#149 |
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Did you know every method of contraception has failures? How does that factor in with you? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 12:19 PM |
#150 |
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Same way. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 12:31 PM |
#154 |
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Actual equality would dictate he become pregnant. Since that doesn't happen, yes, she |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 12:48 PM |
#156 |
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No, that isn't actual equality |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:07 PM |
#160 |
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Making things the same for both doesn't = equality? Huh. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:15 PM |
#166 |
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I recognize women have the greater risk. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:17 PM |
#170 |
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Why? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:20 PM |
#173 |
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I have explained why repeatedly. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:30 PM |
#184 |
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If he took "all precautions", did his vasectomy fail? Why should he be partially financially respons |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 02:22 PM |
#218 |
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I agree 100% |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:27 PM |
#221 |
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Should a man have a say about abortion? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 02:35 PM |
#224 |
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You keep focusing on the assumption the man will avoid responsibility. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:38 PM |
#226 |
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Should a man be able to deny a woman an abortion because he wants a child? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 02:42 PM |
#229 |
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Should he be? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:47 PM |
#231 |
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Your dream world of equality only works in a world where men can be impregnated. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:11 PM |
#162 |
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No it doesnt. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:14 PM |
#165 |
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And you're acting as though equality of choice is equality of risk. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:17 PM |
#169 |
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but it's not faaaaiiirrrrr!!!111. Good grief, next thing you know he'll complain he's being "forced" |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:19 PM |
#172 |
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I agree 100%. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:31 PM |
#187 |
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You keep acting as though a man's fucking MONEY is their body. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:36 PM |
#192 |
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You don't think losing as much as 25% of your post tax income is oppressive? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:51 PM |
#206 |
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You think a man should have no responsibility towards a child he helped make, simply |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:52 PM |
#207 |
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Why not? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:53 PM |
#209 |
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you are 6, your 10 yr old brother gets to stay up later. that isn't fair either. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:55 PM |
#213 |
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For fuck's sake, no that is not what I'm saying. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:57 PM |
#215 |
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No man should be responsible for a child he helped make unless he wants to. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:59 PM |
#217 |
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If things were to be equal, yes that is correct. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:23 PM |
#219 |
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Life isn't about making everything equal or "fair". |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 02:33 PM |
#222 |
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I never said it was. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:34 PM |
#223 |
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Now you are back to equating pregnancy/childbirth issue to his financial support of a child. |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 02:38 PM |
#225 |
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So then... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:40 PM |
#228 |
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I like purple |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 02:44 PM |
#230 |
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So when each of the parties |
musette_sf |
Nov-25-11 05:58 PM |
#240 |
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The woman takes on ALL of the risk |
musette_sf |
Oct-29-11 03:16 PM |
#138 |
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Of course he should |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 11:59 AM |
#145 |
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lol, his financal support is NOT "his body", but that's cute. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:25 PM |
#178 |
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Nov-25-11 01:32 PM |
#189 |
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Does she control where he lives, where he works, what he eats, when he sleeps, how fast he |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:34 PM |
#190 |
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And it's disgusting that he keeps acting as though it is. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 01:40 PM |
#195 |
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In a way, yes she does. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 01:54 PM |
#212 |
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Oh, I understand you. You think a man should have no responsibility towards a child he helped make |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:57 PM |
#216 |
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In the context of the question from the OP.... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:26 PM |
#220 |
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Let's pretend the man does have a say. Should he be able to make her abort so he doesn't |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 02:40 PM |
#227 |
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He should not be permitted to force an abortion |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 02:48 PM |
#232 |
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Thank you for agreeing he should not have a say, not force abortion or non. eom |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 03:06 PM |
#233 |
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I never said he should not have a say. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 03:25 PM |
#234 |
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You said he shouldn't force. What sort of say should he have regarding abortion or not? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 03:28 PM |
#235 |
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One more time... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 04:02 PM |
#236 |
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One more time... |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 04:13 PM |
#237 |
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He should have the right to... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 04:26 PM |
#238 |
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Her decision is not "informed" without the male giving his opinion? Would you like that |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 04:38 PM |
#239 |
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How does the woman control his body? |
uppityperson |
Nov-25-11 01:28 PM |
#182 |
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some men are just pissed because, nowadays, they can't get away |
Scout |
Nov-25-11 01:54 PM |
#211 |
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Exactly. Well said. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-25-11 07:15 PM |
#242 |
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Heh. DNA testing has been a double edged sword |
ZenaD |
Nov-28-11 09:34 PM |
#245 |
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An opinion, yes. Veto power, no. |
ZenaD |
Nov-28-11 09:31 PM |
#244 |
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