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13. The fact that the woman's health is at stake obviously gives
her a "say" that the man cannot have, but you did not address my point that the man's life is also affected. Clearly a man should not be able to force a woman to carry a child to term, if her health is threatened. But should he be able to compell her to abort a child (presuming this can be done completely safely) because he does not want a child or does not want ot support it?
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  -Should men have a say about abortion? question everything  May-22-09 01:23 PM   #0 
  - Only if the effected woman wishes to bring one in on her decision.  MNDemNY   May-22-09 01:27 PM   #1 
  - Good answer. n/t  lamp_shade   May-22-09 01:30 PM   #2 
  - The only one I could think of that made any sense.  MNDemNY   May-22-09 01:35 PM   #5 
  - This is true in our "western" society  question everything   May-22-09 01:48 PM   #10 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-09 03:06 PM   #105 
  - It's her body and her choice. No man should have veto power over  kestrel91316   May-22-09 01:33 PM   #3 
  - Should a man be compelled to pay child support for a child  Blue Meany   May-22-09 01:52 PM   #11 
     - you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong  Scout   May-22-09 02:04 PM   #12 
     - The fact that the woman's health is at stake obviously gives  Blue Meany   May-22-09 02:21 PM   #13 
     - nope. he can neither compell her to abort nor to carry to term.  Scout   May-22-09 02:38 PM   #14 
        - You don't seem to see the contradiction in your position  Blue Meany   May-22-09 04:08 PM   #18 
           - From a legal perspective, the issue is the rights of the child  ProgressiveProfessor   May-22-09 08:28 PM   #20 
           - What if she gives the child to the father. Should she be responsible for child support?  uppityperson   May-22-09 11:17 PM   #26 
           - Under the law, yes she is  jberryhill   Jun-13-09 02:29 PM   #39 
              - I understand how child support works, wanted to see if that poster did  uppityperson   Jun-13-09 04:27 PM   #41 
           - Your basic fallacy is this idea that child support is something women get from men  jberryhill   Jun-13-09 02:32 PM   #40 
           - Men shouldn't have to  Azalea   Jul-11-09 03:34 PM   #43 
           - This is a question for the antichoicers actually  Piwi2009   Aug-27-09 09:42 PM   #65 
           - There's no contradiction  Euromutt   Oct-30-09 07:12 AM   #80 
           - Both men and women have choices in pregnancy. A man's choice in the matter  beyurslf   Dec-07-09 11:19 AM   #102 
           - That's rather sexist...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 12:03 PM   #146 
              - "women are that mentally incompetent, they should not have the choice of an abortion"?  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 12:07 PM   #147 
                 - Try reading the entire sentence in context  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 12:25 PM   #152 
                    - "A woman has a choice beyond that because it is her body and her health."  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 12:30 PM   #153 
                       - Yes it is her body and her health  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 12:35 PM   #155 
                          - "forcing" child support is = to "forcing" pregnancy? No. It isn't.  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 12:51 PM   #157 
                             - You're right - it isnt equal...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:01 PM   #158 
                                - "true equality would mean that" everything about it was equal.  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:02 PM   #159 
                                - You're wanting equality of outcome  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:12 PM   #163 
                                   - It isn't equal. Until men can get pregnant, it won't be equal. No, the woman doesn't have the sole  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:17 PM   #168 
                                      - She doesn't have the sole right to get pregnant?  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:20 PM   #174 
                                         - I see. Here's a thought: maybe the men putting their penii into women like that should think about  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 01:23 PM   #177 
                                         - So you're saying basically...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:27 PM   #181 
                                         - Who is saying women "should have zero responsibility for their choices in the sexual act" except  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:31 PM   #186 
                                         - no, you're sorely and sadly and ridiculously misguided.  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 01:32 PM   #188 
                                         - What is misguided?  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:35 PM   #191 
                                         - "Some" not "The" financial responsibility for "their child".  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:36 PM   #193 
                                         - I get it now. A woman fucked you over and you hate them all now.  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 01:38 PM   #194 
                                         - LOL Oh how wrong you are....  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:43 PM   #198 
                                         - Men don't get pregnant, women do = "blatant hypocrisy"?  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:45 PM   #200 
                                         - Again, you're conflating pregnancy...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:48 PM   #202 
                                         - You conflate "equal" with "fair". We, including you, have been saying "equal"  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:51 PM   #205 
                                         - Its neither fair nor equal.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:52 PM   #208 
                                         - Who is claiming anything about "equal rights" except you? We acknowledge it isn't  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:54 PM   #210 
                                         - Apparently you missed the comment...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:56 PM   #214 
                                         - Re-read the flipping OP that you are in. The question was whether men should have a say in abortion.  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 07:13 PM   #241 
                                         - The reply to me here told me EVERYTHING I need to know, dude.  PeaceNikki   Nov-26-11 07:40 AM   #243 
                                         - Furthermore, as we have both stated  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:41 PM   #197 
                                         - It is not objective fact...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:45 PM   #201 
                                         - What? The law prohibits men from getting pregnant? Huh.  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:48 PM   #203 
                                         - And men never lie about being fixed, or use condoms that "break"? I know women  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:26 PM   #180 
                                         - Sure they do.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:29 PM   #183 
                                - Your dream world of equality only works in a world where men can be impregnated.  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 01:12 PM   #164 
                                   - So then...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:15 PM   #167 
                                      - Until men can get pregnant, it won't be "equal". Simple physiology.  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:18 PM   #171 
                                      - No shit? Really?  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:22 PM   #176 
                                      - A pregnancy carried to term does not magically equate to financial support by the father.  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 01:21 PM   #175 
                                         - Here in the United States  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:25 PM   #179 
                                            - lol. As if. And then there's the real world.  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 01:30 PM   #185 
                                            - Sounds like your problem is really...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:41 PM   #196 
                                            - My anecdotes are just as good as any of yours.  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 01:43 PM   #199 
                                            - Yeah so?  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:50 PM   #204 
           - There is no contradiction.  Zoeisright   Dec-13-10 03:49 PM   #110 
     - Cheers!  Kceres   May-22-09 02:53 PM   #15 
        - Right. Isn't it interesting that it is men: the Pope, priests  question everything   May-22-09 11:31 PM   #28 
     - He had his choice  Warpy   May-22-09 03:58 PM   #17 
     - What if they had agreed to no children and that she would be responsible for contraception?  ProgressiveProfessor   May-22-09 08:31 PM   #21 
     - It's still the only time he gets to exercise his own choice  Warpy   May-22-09 08:35 PM   #22 
     - You missed the entire point...there are limitations on some choices when it involves children  ProgressiveProfessor   May-22-09 08:38 PM   #23 
     - No, you're missing the point.  Warpy   May-22-09 08:43 PM   #24 
     - Sometimes condoms fail. If he has sex, he takes the risk of pregnancy  uppityperson   May-22-09 11:19 PM   #27 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-09 03:08 PM   #106 
     - Is that why  Azalea   Jul-11-09 03:38 PM   #44 
     - Their agreement has no effect on other people's rights - particularly the child  jberryhill   Jun-12-09 10:52 PM   #37 
     - Consent to have sex does not = consent to parenting or childbirth  ehrnst   Jan-03-11 02:47 PM   #119 
     - Yes. He deposited sperm that made her pregnant. Yes, it is her body, her life at stake  uppityperson   May-22-09 11:15 PM   #25 
     - If a man doesn't want to have a child, but wants to have sex, it is incumbent  Book Lover   May-30-09 03:45 PM   #30 
     - But no birth control is 100% effective, so celibacy is the only for sure option.  ehrnst   Jan-03-11 02:48 PM   #120 
        - And THAT'S why there is choice!  Lursa CB   May-08-11 11:28 PM   #132 
     - The answer to that is very simple  jberryhill   Jun-12-09 10:50 PM   #36 
     - yes because being pro-choice means you believe women should not be coherced into terminating  Iris   Jul-26-09 07:12 PM   #46 
     - her body, her decision  Lursa CB   May-08-11 10:02 PM   #131 
  - Of course men should have a say.  RaleighNCDUer   May-22-09 01:34 PM   #4 
  - That's as close to the perfect summary as can be achieved  Euromutt   Oct-30-09 07:21 AM   #81 
  - if they are willing to carry the fetus to term in their bodies, then yes. n/t  eShirl   May-22-09 01:36 PM   #6 
  - Exactly. Any man who is pregnant should be able to decide whether or not  Sal Minella   May-22-09 03:03 PM   #16 
  - No. A man who impregnates a woman who does not want to be pregnant  qb   May-22-09 01:40 PM   #7 
  - IF asked/consulted - "I'll support you 110% in whatever you decide to do"  pkdu   May-22-09 01:41 PM   #8 
  - Oh, they can say what they want to and generally insist  Warpy   May-22-09 01:43 PM   #9 
  - The woman may consult, but the decision should be hers alone.  Libertyfirst   May-22-09 04:39 PM   #19 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-25-09 05:36 AM   #29 
  - When men are the ones who have to risk their lives to carry the child, yes.  Lyric   May-31-09 01:24 PM   #31 
  - what's "a say"?  iverglas   Jun-02-09 04:42 PM   #32 
  - I take exception to some of what you say here  rd_kent   Jun-09-09 04:44 PM   #33 
     - do you, now?  iverglas   Jun-12-09 02:48 PM   #34 
     - "why is the sperm donor then held responsible for the support of the child?"  jberryhill   Jun-13-09 02:27 PM   #38 
  - Only if he is the woman's medical provider and that would be...  Hepburn   Jun-12-09 09:46 PM   #35 
  - Men should have a say about support, since that is one of the determining factors for abortions.  joshcryer   Jun-15-09 01:13 AM   #42 
  - Think of it this way - if a man decides he will not support a child, he is essentially makeing the  Iris   Jul-26-09 07:14 PM   #47 
  - No  Glory89fan   Jul-25-09 10:06 PM   #45 
  - Only if the woman asks for  Control-Z   Jul-26-09 09:48 PM   #48 
  - Absolutely NOT!  kaylynwright   Jul-27-09 01:11 PM   #49 
  - As if pregnancy was a detrimant to ones health  Babykayx   Aug-11-09 12:22 AM   #50 
  - A woman in perfect health going into labor and delivery can have any number of  Lars39   Aug-11-09 02:05 PM   #51 
  - Not to mention health issues while pregnant.  uppityperson   Aug-11-09 02:09 PM   #53 
  - Maternal death rates. "men should have a say", do you mean morally or legally?  uppityperson   Aug-11-09 02:06 PM   #52 
  - Men should have a say morally  Babykayx   Aug-12-09 07:54 AM   #57 
     - got it. thank you for clarifying  uppityperson   Aug-12-09 12:53 PM   #59 
  - haha  iverglas   Aug-11-09 02:12 PM   #54 
  - I know what this part means (and thank you for taking the time you have)  uppityperson   Aug-11-09 05:32 PM   #55 
  - Your taking what I said the wrong way  Babykayx   Aug-12-09 07:51 AM   #56 
     - this is what we call  iverglas   Aug-12-09 10:03 AM   #58 
     - use square brackets to make things bold/etc.... here....  uppityperson   Aug-12-09 01:03 PM   #60 
  - Well, it certainly is now. Heard of H1N1?  Iris   Aug-29-09 07:31 PM   #67 
  - Yemeni girl, 12, dies in painful childbirth  Iris   Sep-14-09 11:38 AM   #75 
  - Absolutely not  lovecanada56035   Aug-12-09 08:28 PM   #61 
  - "baby"  iverglas   Aug-13-09 12:53 AM   #62 
     - You've met my new best buddy!  uppityperson   Aug-13-09 12:58 AM   #63 
  - Men have a say in abortion  Piwi2009   Aug-27-09 09:35 PM   #64 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-01-09 10:55 AM   #68 
  - Absolutely not  rj5690   Aug-28-09 02:51 AM   #66 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-07-09 02:03 AM   #69 
  - what do you like on your pizza? n/t  Scout   Sep-07-09 08:14 AM   #70 
  - I believe a man should have a choice the same as the woman  marshall   Sep-12-09 10:51 AM   #71 
  - that window of opportunity exists before he deposits sperm  Scout   Sep-12-09 05:13 PM   #72 
  - I think the best time for a man to "abort" his responsibility is during the pregnancy  marshall   Sep-12-09 10:26 PM   #73 
  - nope  Scout   Sep-14-09 11:58 AM   #77 
  - So even if maximum precaution is taken  rd_kent   Sep-13-09 08:44 AM   #74 
     - yup, that's the way it is  Scout   Sep-14-09 11:57 AM   #76 
     - So you're pro-choice as long as the woman does what the man wants? n/t  Scout   Sep-14-09 11:59 AM   #78 
        - It's a sad thing - But no, men shouldn't have a say.  badacid   Oct-13-09 12:41 PM   #79 
  - That window of opportunity lies in his decision to have unprotected sex.  Heidi   Nov-03-09 11:41 AM   #89 
  - that is up to the woman  Amaya   Oct-30-09 03:53 PM   #82 
  - I think women can be generally trusted to involve the man if it's appropriate.  PeaceNikki   Oct-30-09 05:27 PM   #83 
  - If you believe that...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 12:08 PM   #148 
  - wow. So, you think women, in general, canNOT be trusted?  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 01:09 PM   #161 
  - Rather like teens informing their parents if it's appropriate. I agree. Mandating  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 12:20 PM   #151 
  - I realize that there's a genuine opposition here to giving a man  customerserviceguy   Nov-03-09 07:36 AM   #84 
  - Oh bullshit.  PeaceNikki   Nov-03-09 08:43 AM   #85 
  - Perhaps you'd care to elaborate  customerserviceguy   Nov-03-09 03:38 PM   #93 
     - Your hypotheticals are bullshit. Every word you said is bullshit.  PeaceNikki   Nov-03-09 03:59 PM   #95 
        - Ah, thanks, I figured you out  customerserviceguy   Nov-03-09 04:41 PM   #96 
           - I contend that if you have sex and a pregnancy results, it's 100% up to the woman to  PeaceNikki   Nov-03-09 05:12 PM   #98 
  - When it's in MY body, it's what _I_ say it is: fetus or baby. Once it's born, it MAY be your child.  Heidi   Nov-03-09 11:14 AM   #86 
  - He should have picked a better hypothetical lover.  PeaceNikki   Nov-03-09 11:16 AM   #87 
  - Are you telling me that men DO have ways to prevent abortions?  Heidi   Nov-03-09 11:27 AM   #88 
  - Thanks for launching into a screed  customerserviceguy   Nov-03-09 03:31 PM   #91 
  - Should approval of both partners be mandated before buying contraception?  uppityperson   Nov-03-09 02:51 PM   #90 
     - There's a difference with most forms of BC  customerserviceguy   Nov-03-09 03:36 PM   #92 
        - Not necessarily. Diaphram, foam, gel, even condoms have been used withouth the other one knowing  uppityperson   Nov-03-09 03:47 PM   #94 
        - Its clearly mandated when the woman chooses to keep the child  customerserviceguy   Nov-03-09 04:47 PM   #97 
           - "the fact that the woman he's having sexual relations with has snuffed the life of his child"  uppityperson   Nov-04-09 02:38 AM   #99 
              - I'm talking about a situation where a man in a committed relationship  customerserviceguy   Nov-04-09 07:39 AM   #100 
        - It works both ways  HockeyMom   Dec-14-10 06:31 PM   #116 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-06-09 08:44 PM   #101 
  - I believe it is a woman's chioce what to do. SHe can decide who is important in her life  beyurslf   Dec-07-09 11:22 AM   #103 
  - Only if the woman chooses to involve the man in the decision. (nt)  ehrnst   Dec-17-09 08:17 AM   #104 
  - If she chooses to have a child contrary to what the man wants and she wants child support  rd_kent   Dec-20-09 02:52 PM   #107 
     - Child support is not pregnancy. They are not interchangable as rights or obligations. (nt)  ehrnst   Jan-03-11 02:27 PM   #118 
     - "child support" is to support the child. It has nothing to do with "she wants" but  uppityperson   Jan-05-11 12:25 PM   #121 
        - Don't expect a response.  PeaceNikki   Jan-05-11 04:21 PM   #122 
           - Huh, thanks.  uppityperson   Jan-06-11 12:47 AM   #123 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-12-10 05:01 PM   #108 
  - No.  Zoeisright   Dec-13-10 03:48 PM   #109 
  - Agreed.  cleanhippie   Dec-13-10 04:02 PM   #111 
     - Fail. Then he should have not contributed his sperm.  uppityperson   Dec-13-10 04:14 PM   #112 
        - Your fail.  cleanhippie   Dec-13-10 04:21 PM   #113 
           - You're the one confusing medical rights with child support.  Lars39   Dec-13-10 04:38 PM   #114 
              - Am I?  cleanhippie   Dec-13-10 11:38 PM   #115 
  - Only if the woman who is pregnant involves him voluntarily. (nt)  ehrnst   Jan-03-11 02:26 PM   #117 
  - I feel the overall decision rests with the woman  ObsessiveAlchemist   Jan-21-11 06:42 PM   #124 
  - Legally "should" or morally/ethically "should"? Welcome to Du  uppityperson   Jan-21-11 09:27 PM   #125 
  - Um. So are you suggesting  musette_sf   Jan-22-11 06:24 PM   #126 
  - Men can offer their opinion and make an argument, but the final choice needs to be up to the woman.  ZombieHorde   Jan-23-11 11:42 PM   #127 
  - There's no "a" say when you're talking about abortion. There is only "the" say.  wickerwoman   Feb-17-11 01:07 PM   #128 
  - the guy who got her pregnant should be involved but beyond banning it  Green_Lantern   Mar-03-11 03:47 PM   #129 
  - This is an easy question for me - no  Politicub   Mar-04-11 08:10 AM   #130 
  - An advisory position  Devin M   Oct-23-11 02:33 PM   #133 
  - ONLY if his advice is sought out by the woman ...  Scout   Oct-24-11 01:39 PM   #134 
  - Intesteing topic  clockworkgirl21   Oct-29-11 03:39 AM   #135 
  - Because women put their health and lives at risk to carry and deliver children  PeaceNikki   Oct-29-11 10:22 AM   #136 
  - You mean everything isn't equal? Everything isn't "fair"? Indeed.  uppityperson   Oct-29-11 01:04 PM   #137 
  - I think you meant to respond to the n00b  PeaceNikki   Oct-29-11 04:53 PM   #139 
     - hiya, indeed.  uppityperson   Oct-29-11 09:31 PM   #140 
  - I never stated that a man should be able to stop a woman from aborting.  clockworkgirl21   Nov-21-11 01:01 PM   #141 
     - "just because of a choice a woman made"  Scout   Nov-21-11 01:12 PM   #142 
     - A man shouldn't be "stuck" with paying child support because the woman chose to not abort?  uppityperson   Nov-21-11 05:56 PM   #143 
     - Did said woman RAPE the man?!?!  PeaceNikki   Nov-22-11 12:31 PM   #144 
        - Did said man RAPE the woman?  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 12:13 PM   #149 
           - Did you know every method of contraception has failures? How does that factor in with you?  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 12:19 PM   #150 
              - Same way.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 12:31 PM   #154 
                 - Actual equality would dictate he become pregnant. Since that doesn't happen, yes, she  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 12:48 PM   #156 
                 - No, that isn't actual equality  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:07 PM   #160 
                    - Making things the same for both doesn't = equality? Huh.  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:15 PM   #166 
                       - I recognize women have the greater risk.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:17 PM   #170 
                          - Why?  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:20 PM   #173 
                             - I have explained why repeatedly.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:30 PM   #184 
                                - If he took "all precautions", did his vasectomy fail? Why should he be partially financially respons  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 02:22 PM   #218 
                                   - I agree 100%  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 02:27 PM   #221 
                                      - Should a man have a say about abortion?  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 02:35 PM   #224 
                                         - You keep focusing on the assumption the man will avoid responsibility.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 02:38 PM   #226 
                                            - Should a man be able to deny a woman an abortion because he wants a child?  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 02:42 PM   #229 
                                               - Should he be?  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 02:47 PM   #231 
                 - Your dream world of equality only works in a world where men can be impregnated.  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 01:11 PM   #162 
                 - No it doesnt.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:14 PM   #165 
                    - And you're acting as though equality of choice is equality of risk.  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 01:17 PM   #169 
                       - but it's not faaaaiiirrrrr!!!111. Good grief, next thing you know he'll complain he's being "forced"  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:19 PM   #172 
                       - I agree 100%.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:31 PM   #187 
                          - You keep acting as though a man's fucking MONEY is their body.  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 01:36 PM   #192 
                             - You don't think losing as much as 25% of your post tax income is oppressive?  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:51 PM   #206 
                                - You think a man should have no responsibility towards a child he helped make, simply  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:52 PM   #207 
                                   - Why not?  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:53 PM   #209 
                                      - you are 6, your 10 yr old brother gets to stay up later. that isn't fair either.  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:55 PM   #213 
                                         - For fuck's sake, no that is not what I'm saying.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:57 PM   #215 
                                            - No man should be responsible for a child he helped make unless he wants to.  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:59 PM   #217 
                                               - If things were to be equal, yes that is correct.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 02:23 PM   #219 
                                               - Life isn't about making everything equal or "fair".  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 02:33 PM   #222 
                                               - I never said it was.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 02:34 PM   #223 
                                               - Now you are back to equating pregnancy/childbirth issue to his financial support of a child.  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 02:38 PM   #225 
                                               - So then...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 02:40 PM   #228 
                                               - I like purple  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 02:44 PM   #230 
                 - So when each of the parties  musette_sf   Nov-25-11 05:58 PM   #240 
  - The woman takes on ALL of the risk  musette_sf   Oct-29-11 03:16 PM   #138 
  - Of course he should  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 11:59 AM   #145 
  - lol, his financal support is NOT "his body", but that's cute.  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 01:25 PM   #178 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-25-11 01:32 PM   #189 
     - Does she control where he lives, where he works, what he eats, when he sleeps, how fast he  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:34 PM   #190 
        - And it's disgusting that he keeps acting as though it is.  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 01:40 PM   #195 
        - In a way, yes she does.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 01:54 PM   #212 
           - Oh, I understand you. You think a man should have no responsibility towards a child he helped make  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:57 PM   #216 
              - In the context of the question from the OP....  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 02:26 PM   #220 
                 - Let's pretend the man does have a say. Should he be able to make her abort so he doesn't  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 02:40 PM   #227 
                    - He should not be permitted to force an abortion  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 02:48 PM   #232 
                       - Thank you for agreeing he should not have a say, not force abortion or non. eom  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 03:06 PM   #233 
                          - I never said he should not have a say.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 03:25 PM   #234 
                             - You said he shouldn't force. What sort of say should he have regarding abortion or not?  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 03:28 PM   #235 
                                - One more time...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 04:02 PM   #236 
                                   - One more time...  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 04:13 PM   #237 
                                      - He should have the right to...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 04:26 PM   #238 
                                         - Her decision is not "informed" without the male giving his opinion? Would you like that  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 04:38 PM   #239 
  - How does the woman control his body?  uppityperson   Nov-25-11 01:28 PM   #182 
  - some men are just pissed because, nowadays, they can't get away  Scout   Nov-25-11 01:54 PM   #211 
  - Exactly. Well said.  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-11 07:15 PM   #242 
  - Heh. DNA testing has been a double edged sword  ZenaD   Nov-28-11 09:34 PM   #245 
  - An opinion, yes. Veto power, no.  ZenaD   Nov-28-11 09:31 PM   #244 
 

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