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deignan Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #57
58. Rape Provision
Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 09:52 AM by deignan
The rape provision proposed is that the victim may decide to abort within 4-5 weeks. Naturally, the victim must have the capability to decide and to exercise her decision within that time frame. (otherwise there would be some sort of compensation).

The logic in proviso relies on the fact that the rape victim must report the rape. So I am unclear as to why a rape victim would not have full rights under this provision as compared to anyone else. In fact, she has the option to earn $100/day to carry to term which is not available to others.

The 4-5 week time frame will be explained at the end of the poll in the context of the proposed (or not) principled reform. As noted before, it is one of the few landmarks by which a coherent principled position may be formulated. Here I have in mind a particular principled position that you might even guess from the proposition. It is one that can win.


Remember, this is a proposition to test the feasibility of a principle. Any answer you have is right as long as it is coherent with your deliberative feelings and thought. This is not a policy proposal per se.

Thanks for participating.
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  -A Hypothetical Choice deignan  Jan-13-05 06:56 AM   #0 
  - Choice up to 4-5 weeks?  Feathered Fish   Jan-13-05 07:10 AM   #1 
  - The crux of the issue  deignan   Jan-13-05 07:16 AM   #2 
  - you considered everything but anatomy  Warpy   Jan-16-05 05:19 PM   #130 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-16-05 05:27 PM   #132 
  - Agree on questioning the time limit  lukasahero   Jan-13-05 07:37 AM   #3 
  - A good point  deignan   Jan-13-05 07:44 AM   #4 
  - The Democratic majority would extend this to 10-12 wks. eom  ihaveaquestion   Jan-13-05 08:41 AM   #7 
  - Undoubtedly  deignan   Jan-13-05 09:09 AM   #8 
     - I don't think you can "articulate a principled position"  lukasahero   Jan-13-05 10:12 AM   #12 
        - OK  deignan   Jan-13-05 10:21 AM   #15 
           - I originally voted A  lukasahero   Jan-13-05 12:53 PM   #34 
              - Not really a position  deignan   Jan-13-05 01:00 PM   #37 
  - A lot of women don't even know at 4-5 weeks  grace0418   Jan-15-05 09:55 AM   #121 
  - is this a trick question?  spooked911   Jan-13-05 08:23 AM   #5 
  - No Trick  deignan   Jan-13-05 08:28 AM   #6 
  - B  lwfern   Jan-13-05 09:17 AM   #9 
  - Consider the possibilities -- no commitment here  deignan   Jan-13-05 09:41 AM   #10 
  - You're asking me to ignore the practical ramifications?  lwfern   Jan-13-05 09:54 AM   #11 
  - That's right  deignan   Jan-13-05 10:15 AM   #13 
  - It's not an exploration of POSSIBILITY  lwfern   Jan-13-05 10:21 AM   #14 
     - Trust me -- here's the point (we are on record)  deignan   Jan-13-05 10:32 AM   #16 
        - Well, I read that several times  lwfern   Jan-13-05 11:01 AM   #18 
           - Sure  deignan   Jan-13-05 11:36 AM   #20 
           - unfortunate analogy  lwfern   Jan-13-05 12:18 PM   #24 
              - Analogy  deignan   Jan-13-05 12:29 PM   #25 
                 - my feeling is not consistent with my vote  lwfern   Jan-13-05 12:37 PM   #26 
                    - B=not A?  deignan   Jan-13-05 12:43 PM   #29 
                    - join the club ;)  iverglas   Jan-13-05 12:57 PM   #35 
           - Actually, some of us do support abortion.  OrwellwasRight   Jan-17-05 12:55 PM   #145 
              - alright, that's fair enough - good point  lwfern   Jan-17-05 07:11 PM   #161 
                 - Likewise, I am not arguing against birth control.  OrwellwasRight   Jan-17-05 07:29 PM   #162 
  - I agree - there are too many assumptions  bloom   Jan-13-05 02:26 PM   #39 
     - Choice  deignan   Jan-13-05 04:54 PM   #49 
  - another issue with this post  lwfern   Jan-13-05 01:43 PM   #38 
     - Why not?  deignan   Jan-13-05 04:53 PM   #48 
  - My thoughts exactly...  SarahBelle   Jan-13-05 10:47 AM   #17 
     - Thank You  deignan   Jan-13-05 12:41 PM   #28 
  - nonsense  iverglas   Jan-13-05 11:27 AM   #19 
  - Please vote  deignan   Jan-13-05 11:38 AM   #21 
     - nope  iverglas   Jan-13-05 11:52 AM   #22 
        - Yes, Absolutely -- that is given as a certainty  deignan   Jan-13-05 12:06 PM   #23 
           - "In our continuing look at logical fallacies everywhere ..."  iverglas   Jan-13-05 12:40 PM   #27 
              - Okay.  Jackie97   Jan-13-05 12:50 PM   #32 
              - Factored in the analysis  deignan   Jan-13-05 12:57 PM   #36 
              - Logic and probabilities  deignan   Jan-13-05 12:52 PM   #33 
  - I did vote...  Jackie97   Jan-13-05 12:44 PM   #30 
  - That's OK  deignan   Jan-13-05 12:49 PM   #31 
  - "liberals “feel” while conservatives “think"  bloom   Jan-13-05 02:35 PM   #40 
  - This puts it in context also  lwfern   Jan-13-05 02:54 PM   #41 
  - Not a Kerry Fan  deignan   Jan-13-05 03:37 PM   #42 
     - Are you a democrat?  lwfern   Jan-13-05 04:09 PM   #44 
        - Good Question  deignan   Jan-13-05 04:45 PM   #46 
           - you'll fit in better here  lwfern   Jan-13-05 05:15 PM   #50 
              - Thanks  deignan   Jan-13-05 05:45 PM   #53 
  - It's a distribution  deignan   Jan-13-05 03:39 PM   #43 
  - and he's got it entirely ass backwards  iverglas   Jan-13-05 04:10 PM   #45 
     - Data  deignan   Jan-13-05 04:46 PM   #47 
        - and that's as may be  iverglas   Jan-13-05 05:30 PM   #51 
           - great point about accepting what people say without question  lwfern   Jan-13-05 05:43 PM   #52 
           - INTJ  deignan   Jan-13-05 06:11 PM   #54 
           - Neat Test  deignan   Jan-13-05 06:25 PM   #55 
  - What's So Tough? I'll Play This Stupid Game  REP   Jan-14-05 04:43 AM   #56 
  - Etc.  deignan   Jan-14-05 10:01 AM   #60 
     - Psychotic Breaks Better than Abortion?  REP   Jan-15-05 12:16 AM   #120 
        - Birth Control Effectiveness  deignan   Jan-15-05 03:21 PM   #122 
  - Couldn't possibly force rape victims  DaedelusNemo   Jan-14-05 07:05 AM   #57 
  - Rape Provision  deignan   Jan-14-05 09:50 AM   #58 
     - she has the option to earn $100/day  lwfern   Jan-14-05 09:55 AM   #59 
        - Important to some  deignan   Jan-14-05 10:05 AM   #61 
           - I obviously have not met these women  lwfern   Jan-14-05 10:10 AM   #62 
              - Big Picture of Poll Reminder  deignan   Jan-14-05 10:19 AM   #63 
              - hmmmm ... those women ...  iverglas   Jan-14-05 10:39 AM   #64 
                 - Ha Ha  deignan   Jan-14-05 11:12 AM   #65 
                    - The point  iverglas   Jan-14-05 11:29 AM   #66 
                    - Is this your point?  deignan   Jan-14-05 11:44 AM   #67 
                       - Newsflash  lwfern   Jan-14-05 12:01 PM   #69 
                       - Being Human  deignan   Jan-14-05 12:07 PM   #70 
                          - Compassionate Conservatism  lwfern   Jan-14-05 12:22 PM   #72 
                             - Don't see your point  deignan   Jan-14-05 12:30 PM   #75 
                                - yours is a funny one  iverglas   Jan-14-05 12:36 PM   #78 
                                - Thanks  deignan   Jan-14-05 12:42 PM   #80 
                                - My point is there's nothing compassionate or caring in you  lwfern   Jan-14-05 12:53 PM   #82 
                                - Should?  deignan   Jan-14-05 01:04 PM   #85 
                                - The point  Jackie97   Jan-17-05 08:42 PM   #163 
                       - Personally  lukasahero   Jan-14-05 12:08 PM   #71 
                       - Thanks  deignan   Jan-14-05 01:06 PM   #87 
                       - aren't you out of breath yet?  iverglas   Jan-14-05 12:26 PM   #74 
                          - Complexity and the Status Quo  deignan   Jan-14-05 12:55 PM   #83 
                             - laughable  iverglas   Jan-14-05 01:11 PM   #89 
                                - Here is your point -- it is a good one  deignan   Jan-14-05 01:53 PM   #95 
                    - "relieving the practicality of the situation"  lwfern   Jan-14-05 12:00 PM   #68 
                       - The Question  deignan   Jan-14-05 12:24 PM   #73 
                          - "That was my question"  iverglas   Jan-14-05 12:32 PM   #76 
                          - Thanks  deignan   Jan-14-05 12:43 PM   #81 
                             - not an answer  iverglas   Jan-14-05 01:01 PM   #84 
                                - Answer  deignan   Jan-14-05 01:10 PM   #88 
                          - Do you have any idea how condescending you sound?  lukasahero   Jan-14-05 12:35 PM   #77 
                             - Feasibility  deignan   Jan-14-05 12:40 PM   #79 
                                - bilking the client  lwfern   Jan-14-05 01:04 PM   #86 
                                   - Travel  deignan   Jan-14-05 01:12 PM   #90 
                                      - Nope  iverglas   Jan-14-05 01:16 PM   #91 
                                      - OK  deignan   Jan-14-05 01:18 PM   #92 
                                      - no, it's not like that at all.  lwfern   Jan-14-05 01:25 PM   #93 
                                         - The Genius of Your Post  deignan   Jan-14-05 01:38 PM   #94 
                                            - you just keep saying it ...  iverglas   Jan-14-05 01:55 PM   #96 
                                               - Feasibility  deignan   Jan-14-05 02:04 PM   #97 
                                                  - good lord  iverglas   Jan-14-05 02:22 PM   #98 
                                                     - Feasibility Errata  deignan   Jan-14-05 02:41 PM   #99 
                                                     - I give up  iverglas   Jan-14-05 05:14 PM   #102 
                                                     - Study  deignan   Jan-14-05 05:40 PM   #105 
                                                     - I'm still waiting, you know  iverglas   Jan-17-05 02:57 PM   #148 
                                                     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-05 05:46 PM   #157 
                                                     - time for dinner  iverglas   Jan-17-05 06:20 PM   #159 
  - ewww  liontamer   Jan-14-05 04:24 PM   #100 
  - yep, we won't have rights, but we'll win the election! Yay!  lwfern   Jan-14-05 04:39 PM   #101 
     - Poll  deignan   Jan-14-05 05:15 PM   #103 
        - don't take it as a compliment  lwfern   Jan-14-05 05:30 PM   #104 
           - Of Course  deignan   Jan-14-05 05:50 PM   #106 
              - "of course"?  lwfern   Jan-14-05 06:05 PM   #107 
                 - excellent point  iverglas   Jan-14-05 06:14 PM   #108 
                 - Values Speculation  deignan   Jan-14-05 06:20 PM   #110 
                    - I will answer that as a teacher  lwfern   Jan-14-05 06:36 PM   #112 
                       - Just your opinion  deignan   Jan-14-05 06:38 PM   #113 
                          - That was someone else.  lwfern   Jan-14-05 06:40 PM   #114 
                             - Right you are  deignan   Jan-14-05 06:48 PM   #116 
                                - indeed it was  iverglas   Jan-16-05 04:46 PM   #129 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-16-05 06:04 PM   #133 
                                      - "OK"?  iverglas   Jan-16-05 06:29 PM   #134 
                                         - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-16-05 08:57 PM   #136 
                                            - gee, did I say "patronizing"?  iverglas   Jan-17-05 10:18 AM   #138 
                                               - whatever you do, don't tell him...  NorthernSpy   Jan-17-05 10:48 AM   #139 
                                               - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-05 12:30 PM   #143 
                                               - judging involves abbreviated perception  NorthernSpy   Jan-17-05 05:10 PM   #155 
                                               - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-05 05:59 PM   #158 
                                               - action is implicit in the Judging temperament  NorthernSpy   Jan-17-05 06:36 PM   #160 
                                               - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-05 11:58 AM   #140 
                                                  - yikes!  NorthernSpy   Jan-17-05 12:05 PM   #141 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-05 12:12 PM   #142 
                                                  - oh dearie me  iverglas   Jan-17-05 01:13 PM   #146 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-05 03:21 PM   #149 
                                                  - odd indeed  iverglas   Jan-17-05 03:35 PM   #150 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-05 04:05 PM   #151 
                                                  - aren't you finished yet?  iverglas   Jan-17-05 04:45 PM   #153 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-05 05:40 PM   #156 
                                                  - I assume computer users are male also  lwfern   Jan-17-05 04:18 PM   #152 
                                                  - almost right  iverglas   Jan-17-05 04:57 PM   #154 
                 - Of course not publishable  deignan   Jan-14-05 06:18 PM   #109 
                    - If you publish this  lwfern   Jan-14-05 06:28 PM   #111 
                       - Great  deignan   Jan-14-05 06:41 PM   #115 
                          - I don't think it would help you if I took the test  lwfern   Jan-14-05 06:48 PM   #117 
                             - Affiliation  deignan   Jan-14-05 06:54 PM   #118 
                                - I think I can answer that  lwfern   Jan-14-05 07:10 PM   #119 
                                   - I'm still a liberal  WildClarySage   Jan-15-05 04:05 PM   #123 
                                   - that's what I was getting at earlier  iverglas   Jan-16-05 05:22 PM   #131 
  - are these mutually exclusive?  yurbud   Jan-15-05 04:05 PM   #124 
  - Yes  deignan   Jan-15-05 04:12 PM   #125 
     - I misread the question  yurbud   Jan-15-05 06:14 PM   #128 
  - Forced Choice  Catbird   Jan-15-05 04:22 PM   #126 
  - Status Quo = Not A  deignan   Jan-15-05 04:31 PM   #127 
  - Questions for you.  SarahBelle   Jan-16-05 08:27 PM   #135 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-16-05 09:22 PM   #137 
  - Given the republican party's tendency to take a mile when offered an inch  WildClarySage   Jan-17-05 12:40 PM   #144 
  - I have read all the posts and I am not sure what your principles are  OrwellwasRight   Jan-17-05 01:46 PM   #147 
  - Even with all of that,*HE*  Heddi   Jan-18-05 01:52 PM   #164 
  - Who Decides "Medical Necessity"?  iamjoy   Mar-01-05 08:52 PM   #165 
  - Here Is Another One...  iamjoy   Mar-01-05 08:53 PM   #166 
 

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