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Fri Jan-14-05 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #57 |
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Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 09:52 AM by deignan
The rape provision proposed is that the victim may decide to abort within 4-5 weeks. Naturally, the victim must have the capability to decide and to exercise her decision within that time frame. (otherwise there would be some sort of compensation).
The logic in proviso relies on the fact that the rape victim must report the rape. So I am unclear as to why a rape victim would not have full rights under this provision as compared to anyone else. In fact, she has the option to earn $100/day to carry to term which is not available to others.
The 4-5 week time frame will be explained at the end of the poll in the context of the proposed (or not) principled reform. As noted before, it is one of the few landmarks by which a coherent principled position may be formulated. Here I have in mind a particular principled position that you might even guess from the proposition. It is one that can win.
Remember, this is a proposition to test the feasibility of a principle. Any answer you have is right as long as it is coherent with your deliberative feelings and thought. This is not a policy proposal per se.
Thanks for participating.
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| -A Hypothetical Choice |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 06:56 AM |
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Choice up to 4-5 weeks? |
Feathered Fish |
Jan-13-05 07:10 AM |
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The crux of the issue |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 07:16 AM |
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you considered everything but anatomy |
Warpy |
Jan-16-05 05:19 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-16-05 05:27 PM |
#132 |
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Agree on questioning the time limit |
lukasahero |
Jan-13-05 07:37 AM |
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A good point |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 07:44 AM |
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The Democratic majority would extend this to 10-12 wks. eom |
ihaveaquestion |
Jan-13-05 08:41 AM |
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Undoubtedly |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 09:09 AM |
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I don't think you can "articulate a principled position" |
lukasahero |
Jan-13-05 10:12 AM |
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OK |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 10:21 AM |
#15 |
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I originally voted A |
lukasahero |
Jan-13-05 12:53 PM |
#34 |
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Not really a position |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 01:00 PM |
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A lot of women don't even know at 4-5 weeks |
grace0418 |
Jan-15-05 09:55 AM |
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is this a trick question? |
spooked911 |
Jan-13-05 08:23 AM |
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No Trick |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 08:28 AM |
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B |
lwfern |
Jan-13-05 09:17 AM |
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Consider the possibilities -- no commitment here |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 09:41 AM |
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You're asking me to ignore the practical ramifications? |
lwfern |
Jan-13-05 09:54 AM |
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That's right |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 10:15 AM |
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It's not an exploration of POSSIBILITY |
lwfern |
Jan-13-05 10:21 AM |
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Trust me -- here's the point (we are on record) |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 10:32 AM |
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Well, I read that several times |
lwfern |
Jan-13-05 11:01 AM |
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Sure |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 11:36 AM |
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unfortunate analogy |
lwfern |
Jan-13-05 12:18 PM |
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Analogy |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 12:29 PM |
#25 |
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my feeling is not consistent with my vote |
lwfern |
Jan-13-05 12:37 PM |
#26 |
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B=not A? |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 12:43 PM |
#29 |
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join the club ;) |
iverglas |
Jan-13-05 12:57 PM |
#35 |
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Actually, some of us do support abortion. |
OrwellwasRight |
Jan-17-05 12:55 PM |
#145 |
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alright, that's fair enough - good point |
lwfern |
Jan-17-05 07:11 PM |
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Likewise, I am not arguing against birth control. |
OrwellwasRight |
Jan-17-05 07:29 PM |
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I agree - there are too many assumptions |
bloom |
Jan-13-05 02:26 PM |
#39 |
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Choice |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 04:54 PM |
#49 |
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another issue with this post |
lwfern |
Jan-13-05 01:43 PM |
#38 |
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Why not? |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 04:53 PM |
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My thoughts exactly... |
SarahBelle |
Jan-13-05 10:47 AM |
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Thank You |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 12:41 PM |
#28 |
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nonsense |
iverglas |
Jan-13-05 11:27 AM |
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Please vote |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 11:38 AM |
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nope |
iverglas |
Jan-13-05 11:52 AM |
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Yes, Absolutely -- that is given as a certainty |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 12:06 PM |
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"In our continuing look at logical fallacies everywhere ..." |
iverglas |
Jan-13-05 12:40 PM |
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Okay. |
Jackie97 |
Jan-13-05 12:50 PM |
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Factored in the analysis |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 12:57 PM |
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Logic and probabilities |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 12:52 PM |
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I did vote... |
Jackie97 |
Jan-13-05 12:44 PM |
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That's OK |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 12:49 PM |
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"liberals “feel” while conservatives “think" |
bloom |
Jan-13-05 02:35 PM |
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This puts it in context also |
lwfern |
Jan-13-05 02:54 PM |
#41 |
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Not a Kerry Fan |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 03:37 PM |
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Are you a democrat? |
lwfern |
Jan-13-05 04:09 PM |
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Good Question |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 04:45 PM |
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you'll fit in better here |
lwfern |
Jan-13-05 05:15 PM |
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Thanks |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 05:45 PM |
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It's a distribution |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 03:39 PM |
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and he's got it entirely ass backwards |
iverglas |
Jan-13-05 04:10 PM |
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Data |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 04:46 PM |
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and that's as may be |
iverglas |
Jan-13-05 05:30 PM |
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great point about accepting what people say without question |
lwfern |
Jan-13-05 05:43 PM |
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INTJ |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 06:11 PM |
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Neat Test |
deignan |
Jan-13-05 06:25 PM |
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What's So Tough? I'll Play This Stupid Game |
REP |
Jan-14-05 04:43 AM |
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Etc. |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 10:01 AM |
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Psychotic Breaks Better than Abortion? |
REP |
Jan-15-05 12:16 AM |
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Birth Control Effectiveness |
deignan |
Jan-15-05 03:21 PM |
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Couldn't possibly force rape victims |
DaedelusNemo |
Jan-14-05 07:05 AM |
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Rape Provision |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 09:50 AM |
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she has the option to earn $100/day |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 09:55 AM |
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Important to some |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 10:05 AM |
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I obviously have not met these women |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 10:10 AM |
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Big Picture of Poll Reminder |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 10:19 AM |
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hmmmm ... those women ... |
iverglas |
Jan-14-05 10:39 AM |
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Ha Ha |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 11:12 AM |
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The point |
iverglas |
Jan-14-05 11:29 AM |
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Is this your point? |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 11:44 AM |
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Newsflash |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 12:01 PM |
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Being Human |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 12:07 PM |
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Compassionate Conservatism |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 12:22 PM |
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Don't see your point |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 12:30 PM |
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yours is a funny one |
iverglas |
Jan-14-05 12:36 PM |
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Thanks |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 12:42 PM |
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My point is there's nothing compassionate or caring in you |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 12:53 PM |
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Should? |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 01:04 PM |
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The point |
Jackie97 |
Jan-17-05 08:42 PM |
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Personally |
lukasahero |
Jan-14-05 12:08 PM |
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Thanks |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 01:06 PM |
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aren't you out of breath yet? |
iverglas |
Jan-14-05 12:26 PM |
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Complexity and the Status Quo |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 12:55 PM |
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laughable |
iverglas |
Jan-14-05 01:11 PM |
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Here is your point -- it is a good one |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 01:53 PM |
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"relieving the practicality of the situation" |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 12:00 PM |
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The Question |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 12:24 PM |
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"That was my question" |
iverglas |
Jan-14-05 12:32 PM |
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Thanks |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 12:43 PM |
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not an answer |
iverglas |
Jan-14-05 01:01 PM |
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Answer |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 01:10 PM |
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Do you have any idea how condescending you sound? |
lukasahero |
Jan-14-05 12:35 PM |
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Feasibility |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 12:40 PM |
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bilking the client |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 01:04 PM |
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Travel |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 01:12 PM |
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Nope |
iverglas |
Jan-14-05 01:16 PM |
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OK |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 01:18 PM |
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no, it's not like that at all. |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 01:25 PM |
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The Genius of Your Post |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 01:38 PM |
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you just keep saying it ... |
iverglas |
Jan-14-05 01:55 PM |
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Feasibility |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 02:04 PM |
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good lord |
iverglas |
Jan-14-05 02:22 PM |
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Feasibility Errata |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 02:41 PM |
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I give up |
iverglas |
Jan-14-05 05:14 PM |
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Study |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 05:40 PM |
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I'm still waiting, you know |
iverglas |
Jan-17-05 02:57 PM |
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Jan-17-05 05:46 PM |
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time for dinner |
iverglas |
Jan-17-05 06:20 PM |
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ewww |
liontamer |
Jan-14-05 04:24 PM |
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yep, we won't have rights, but we'll win the election! Yay! |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 04:39 PM |
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Poll |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 05:15 PM |
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don't take it as a compliment |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 05:30 PM |
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Of Course |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 05:50 PM |
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"of course"? |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 06:05 PM |
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excellent point |
iverglas |
Jan-14-05 06:14 PM |
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Values Speculation |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 06:20 PM |
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I will answer that as a teacher |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 06:36 PM |
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Just your opinion |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 06:38 PM |
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That was someone else. |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 06:40 PM |
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Right you are |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 06:48 PM |
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indeed it was |
iverglas |
Jan-16-05 04:46 PM |
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Jan-16-05 06:04 PM |
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"OK"? |
iverglas |
Jan-16-05 06:29 PM |
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Jan-16-05 08:57 PM |
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gee, did I say "patronizing"? |
iverglas |
Jan-17-05 10:18 AM |
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whatever you do, don't tell him... |
NorthernSpy |
Jan-17-05 10:48 AM |
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Jan-17-05 12:30 PM |
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judging involves abbreviated perception |
NorthernSpy |
Jan-17-05 05:10 PM |
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Jan-17-05 05:59 PM |
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action is implicit in the Judging temperament |
NorthernSpy |
Jan-17-05 06:36 PM |
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Jan-17-05 11:58 AM |
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yikes! |
NorthernSpy |
Jan-17-05 12:05 PM |
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Jan-17-05 12:12 PM |
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oh dearie me |
iverglas |
Jan-17-05 01:13 PM |
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Jan-17-05 03:21 PM |
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odd indeed |
iverglas |
Jan-17-05 03:35 PM |
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Jan-17-05 04:05 PM |
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aren't you finished yet? |
iverglas |
Jan-17-05 04:45 PM |
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Jan-17-05 05:40 PM |
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I assume computer users are male also |
lwfern |
Jan-17-05 04:18 PM |
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almost right |
iverglas |
Jan-17-05 04:57 PM |
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Of course not publishable |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 06:18 PM |
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If you publish this |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 06:28 PM |
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Great |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 06:41 PM |
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I don't think it would help you if I took the test |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 06:48 PM |
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Affiliation |
deignan |
Jan-14-05 06:54 PM |
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I think I can answer that |
lwfern |
Jan-14-05 07:10 PM |
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I'm still a liberal |
WildClarySage |
Jan-15-05 04:05 PM |
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that's what I was getting at earlier |
iverglas |
Jan-16-05 05:22 PM |
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are these mutually exclusive? |
yurbud |
Jan-15-05 04:05 PM |
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Yes |
deignan |
Jan-15-05 04:12 PM |
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I misread the question |
yurbud |
Jan-15-05 06:14 PM |
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Forced Choice |
Catbird |
Jan-15-05 04:22 PM |
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Status Quo = Not A |
deignan |
Jan-15-05 04:31 PM |
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Questions for you. |
SarahBelle |
Jan-16-05 08:27 PM |
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Jan-16-05 09:22 PM |
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Given the republican party's tendency to take a mile when offered an inch |
WildClarySage |
Jan-17-05 12:40 PM |
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I have read all the posts and I am not sure what your principles are |
OrwellwasRight |
Jan-17-05 01:46 PM |
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Even with all of that,*HE* |
Heddi |
Jan-18-05 01:52 PM |
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Who Decides "Medical Necessity"? |
iamjoy |
Mar-01-05 08:52 PM |
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Here Is Another One... |
iamjoy |
Mar-01-05 08:53 PM |
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