sweetbutterfly
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Thu Jan-20-05 08:15 PM
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"If an adult woman has an abortion for which she pays out of her pocket, nobody else needs to worry about it." So money is the coin of the realm? If a woman is on welfare and has an abortion, then society has a say? Isn't that discrimination in the worse sense...based upon someone's individual wealth, or lack thereof? What does this possibly have to do with parental consent laws?
"Yeah, and so are life and liberty. And children have the right to those, too. They're "inalienable", and they're also generally regarded as "inherent" in the human person. They don't get issued with driver's licences at the age of 16." Certain rights don't apply at the age of 16...since when do we take away a person's most basic right...the right to have a family and raise that family how he or she sees fit, within certain bounds? Does a 12 year old child have the right to choose prostitution over her parents' objection? Does a 10 year old have the "right" to decide quit school? Can a 13 year determine that he can drive a car? Why should the government or his parents have the "right" to tell him otherwise? What makes abortion a holy sacrament that should be treated any differently than any of the other "rights" that children do not have?
"Since quite a number of parents can very reasonably be expected to attempt to prevent their children from exercising their rights in this respect, in their own interests and *not* in the children's interests, it is very reasonable to take steps to prevent that from happening."
Why do you make such an assumption? Are only 13 year olds "enlight ened" enough to know that an abortion is right for them? D40 that prohibits a right thinking person from seeing the wisdom of a pregnancy termination? Seems to me that most of the pro-choice activists are well beyond the age of 13 and think pregnancy termination is a good thing. Why would only the parents of those pregnant 13 year olds think differently? Your argument here is not supported by any statistical or factual data. Please point me to it.
And why do you assume that a Planned Parenthood representive, who knows the 13 year old for all of an hour has the child's best interest at heart, more so than the child's parents?
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| -Parental Notification Mess: Teen Boyfriend charged in back-alley abortion |
Fire |
Jan-09-05 09:08 PM |
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The only people to be charged should be the |
Warpy |
Jan-09-05 09:32 PM |
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I'm sorry, but they should both |
liberalhistorian |
Jan-09-05 09:41 PM |
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"That is murder, plain and simple" |
iverglas |
Jan-10-05 07:40 AM |
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Prove it's murder. |
Jackie97 |
Jan-10-05 01:57 PM |
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Actually PLs stood in the way of getting an early legal abortion |
ehrnst |
Mar-22-05 12:48 PM |
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Fire, when posting please remember DU copyright rules. |
Moderator |
Jan-09-05 10:31 PM |
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oh I didn't know that. |
Fire |
Jan-09-05 11:11 PM |
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who's the real villain? |
iverglas |
Jan-10-05 08:15 AM |
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thank you |
Scout |
Jan-10-05 11:43 AM |
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Wow. |
seaj11 |
Jan-13-05 09:35 PM |
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Exactly. |
Jackie97 |
Jan-10-05 01:53 PM |
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thinking out loud |
sweetbutterfly |
Jan-18-05 07:20 PM |
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thinking? |
iverglas |
Jan-18-05 07:49 PM |
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yes...thinking |
sweetbutterfly |
Jan-18-05 08:15 PM |
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what about her? |
sweetbutterfly |
Jan-18-05 10:05 PM |
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ah, there we go |
iverglas |
Jan-18-05 10:11 PM |
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Off the subject, can you now see what I'm talking about? |
Jackie97 |
Jan-19-05 05:41 PM |
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mmm, no |
iverglas |
Jan-19-05 05:58 PM |
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No I don't |
sweetbutterfly |
Jan-19-05 07:02 PM |
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no fair! |
iverglas |
Jan-20-05 08:15 AM |
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Questions |
sweetbutterfly |
Jan-21-05 06:53 AM |
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Ha! |
iverglas |
Jan-21-05 07:31 AM |
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oh, and one more |
iverglas |
Jan-21-05 07:34 AM |
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safe haven laws |
highlonesome |
Jan-19-05 06:29 AM |
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ah, yes |
iverglas |
Jan-19-05 08:59 AM |
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abandon their children to strangers |
sweetbutterfly |
Jan-19-05 09:02 PM |
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choice |
highlonesome |
Jan-19-05 11:47 PM |
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wah wah |
iverglas |
Jan-20-05 07:55 AM |
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I'm not talking about money |
highlonesome |
Jan-20-05 06:36 PM |
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oh really? |
iverglas |
Jan-20-05 07:11 PM |
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not buying it |
sweetbutterfly |
Jan-20-05 08:15 PM |
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sweetbutterfly speaks! |
iverglas |
Jan-20-05 08:57 PM |
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iverglas |
sweetbutterfly |
Jan-20-05 10:31 PM |
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"personally attack"?!? |
iverglas |
Jan-20-05 11:07 PM |
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if.... |
highlonesome |
Jan-20-05 11:26 PM |
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If Ad Hominems Won Debates... |
REP |
Jan-20-05 11:59 PM |
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Ha! |
sweetbutterfly |
Jan-21-05 07:04 AM |
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fortunately |
iverglas |
Jan-21-05 07:14 AM |
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true |
sweetbutterfly |
Jan-21-05 08:01 AM |
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indeed |
iverglas |
Jan-21-05 08:26 AM |
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You Shouldn't Talk About Your Ego That Way |
REP |
Jan-22-05 02:48 AM |
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ew, cut to the quick again |
iverglas |
Jan-21-05 12:21 AM |
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still ad hominem |
sweetbutterfly |
Jan-21-05 06:55 AM |
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if you feel a post is breaking the rules.... |
Scout |
Jan-21-05 06:35 AM |
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good one! :D |
NorthernSpy |
Jan-21-05 08:14 AM |
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Boohoo. |
Jackie97 |
Jan-20-05 09:41 AM |
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okay |
iverglas |
Jan-20-05 07:44 AM |
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Hey -- since we're all talking to ourselves... |
NorthernSpy |
Jan-20-05 08:39 AM |
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Oh, give me a break! |
Jackie97 |
Jan-20-05 09:38 AM |
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I believe I just said.... |
Jackie97 |
Jan-18-05 09:17 PM |
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Update: MI PL wants to criminalize anything that looks like |
ehrnst |
Mar-22-05 01:03 PM |
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my goodness |
iverglas |
Mar-22-05 04:36 PM |
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My God that's hideous |
_TJ_ |
Mar-23-05 10:08 AM |
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Motive behind Parental Notification Laws |
HockeyMom |
Mar-29-05 09:09 AM |
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Hah! Don't ya just hate it... |
_TJ_ |
Mar-29-05 04:15 PM |
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Baseball bat abortions |
funflower |
Apr-14-05 03:50 AM |
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