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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #48
57. fuck off
Now go edit your post and pretend you didn't lie then by falsely quoting Fitzsimmons.

Feel free to edit your own to pretend you didn't call a DU member a liar.

Here's where I got the quote, you little creep:
http://www.ctfamily.org/blog/2007/04/18/breakingsupreme... /

I didn't bother citing it because it is, as I said, ALL OVER THE NET. But if you want to accuse someone of lying, I suggest you go make an appointment with
FIC includes three organizations: Family Institute of Connecticut Action, our 501 (c) 4 lobbying arm, Family Institute of Connecticut Action Committee, our state political action committee, and the Family Institute of Connecticut, our 501 (c) 3 non-profit educational organization.

All of our organizations are committed to encouraging and strengthening the family. We are dedicated to defending faith, family, and common-sense values in a state where all three are under constant barrage.
and all of the other right-wing misogyinst assholes at whose sites you can find the same passage. You might make some new friends.

Well, look what you don't find when you travel some nasty dirty ditches on the internet:
http://www.house.gov/ferguson/press/20031002.shtml
Partial-birth abortions are performed thousands of times annually on healthy babies of healthy mothers. Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, told the New York Times in 1997 that partial-birth abortions are performed as many as 5,000 times annually. "The vast majority of cases, the procedure is performed on a healthy mother with a healthy fetus that is 20 weeks or more along," Fitzsimmons told the New York Times.

I just do wish we had a copy of that New York Times. Maybe now that you've accused me of being a liar, you'll be ready to produce it for us, so there's something where your mouth is besides random rude noise.

Of course, you'd still need to give me some evidence that a Washington lobbyist knew thing one about this subject.

Oh, and then you'd have to deal with the fact that 20 weeks, and 21 weeks, and 22 weeks, IS NOT THE THIRD TRIMESTER, IS NOT "LATE-TERM" BY ANY HONEST CLASSIFICATION, AND IS OUTSIDE THE REACH OF LEGISLATURES IN THE U.S. BECAUSE IT IS ******PRE-HYPOTHETICAL VIABILITY*********, and that after hypothetical viability U.S. states are at present FREE TO LEGISLATE TO PROHIBIT ABORTION AS LONG AS THEY ALLOW EXCEPTIONS FOR WOMEN'S LIVES ********AND HEALTH*********.

Of course I don't really give a shit what you do, but maybe you'd do it naked while whistling Dixie, just for me.



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  -What am I missing? Ind4now  Apr-25-07 07:05 AM   #0 
  - Missing?  dancingAlone   Apr-25-07 07:50 AM   #1 
  - Well thanks for the thought provoking response.  Ind4now   Apr-25-07 07:08 PM   #5 
     - You're not that dim really, are you?  iverglas   Apr-25-07 07:38 PM   #7 
  - It Is Too Restrictive  stirlingsliver   Apr-25-07 09:06 AM   #2 
  - Don't all pregnancies "damage a woman's health"?  joshcryer   Apr-25-07 06:23 PM   #4 
     - hey, you get it!  iverglas   Apr-25-07 07:36 PM   #6 
        - So you pretty much reject viablity from Roe v. Wade...?  joshcryer   Apr-25-07 08:42 PM   #8 
           - yuppers  iverglas   Apr-26-07 09:31 AM   #10 
              - There are lots of things in society that "are unhealthy" yet we have to deal with.  joshcryer   Apr-26-07 11:19 AM   #11 
                 - well, blah blah blah  iverglas   Apr-26-07 11:25 AM   #12 
                 - Smog is unhealthy... UV radiation is unhealthy... microwave radiation is unhealthy...  joshcryer   Apr-26-07 11:34 AM   #13 
                    - ooooo  iverglas   Apr-26-07 01:35 PM   #14 
                       - Heheh...  joshcryer   Apr-26-07 03:18 PM   #15 
                          - my head spins ...  iverglas   Apr-26-07 03:44 PM   #16 
                             - And so it continues...  joshcryer   Apr-26-07 04:15 PM   #17 
                 - And therein lies the myth of 'partial birth abortion'  Midlodemocrat   Apr-28-07 07:06 PM   #30 
                    - As far as I understand iverglas is arguing for 'choice' up until 'birth.'  joshcryer   Apr-28-07 08:13 PM   #32 
                       - You are entitled to your opinion. Like everyone else.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-28-07 08:22 PM   #33 
                       - I have found that the NCAP makes no claims about health.  joshcryer   Apr-28-07 08:33 PM   #34 
                          - You get back to us after your next abortion, 'k?  bliss_eternal   Apr-29-07 03:09 AM   #35 
                          - Wish I could nominate this post  JetCityLiberal   Apr-30-07 03:34 PM   #40 
                          - Thank you for the NCAP info. I see nothing about D&E on healthy etc as you claim  uppityperson   Apr-29-07 03:11 PM   #38 
                             - It's not on the NCAP website, the lobbying group made mention of it...  joshcryer   Apr-30-07 04:26 PM   #41 
                                - So you base this statement..."will perform D&E on healthy mothers and fetuses with a completely norm  uppityperson   Apr-30-07 04:54 PM   #43 
                                - That was the NCAP position 10 years ago.  joshcryer   Apr-30-07 05:08 PM   #46 
                                   - You are basing what NCAP says now on what Fitzsimmons said 10 yrs ago.  uppityperson   Apr-30-07 05:22 PM   #47 
                                      - I've been looking. I cannot find anything.  joshcryer   Apr-30-07 05:33 PM   #51 
                                         - Have you checked with NCAP themselves? Their website talks about early abortions.  uppityperson   Apr-30-07 05:38 PM   #52 
                                            - I don't think their organization supports it 'persay.'  joshcryer   Apr-30-07 05:41 PM   #54 
                                               - What NCAP affiliates "advertize it at that late of stage"?  uppityperson   Apr-30-07 05:47 PM   #55 
                                               - "the health of the pregnancy at that stage"?????  iverglas   Apr-30-07 05:56 PM   #60 
                                - cheeses, do you pay no attention at all?  iverglas   Apr-30-07 04:55 PM   #44 
                                   - You're distorting it! He EXPLICTLY states when the procedure is performed!  joshcryer   Apr-30-07 05:24 PM   #48 
                                      - (American Journal of Medicine.) What?  uppityperson   Apr-30-07 05:28 PM   #50 
                                      - iverglas dissmissively linked me to a thread...  joshcryer   Apr-30-07 05:40 PM   #53 
                                         - I've seen viability dates, know those, the insertion of (AJM) was confusing.  uppityperson   Apr-30-07 05:49 PM   #56 
                                         - and fuck off a little farther  iverglas   Apr-30-07 05:53 PM   #59 
                                            - The JAMA calls it late term, Guttmacher calls it late term abortion.  joshcryer   Apr-30-07 07:03 PM   #65 
                                               - BS. G link doesn't define "late term" timeline,here's 1 that does(24wks)JAMA links are restricted.  uppityperson   Apr-30-07 10:07 PM   #68 
                                               - The point is that it's hotly disputed in the scientific community.  joshcryer   Apr-30-07 11:26 PM   #70 
                                               - Point is there is a big difference between 20 and 24 weeks.  uppityperson   Apr-30-07 11:30 PM   #71 
                                               - 20 weeks is my personal feeling because of the JAMA article.  joshcryer   May-01-07 12:12 AM   #76 
                                               - Did you know you can register for the JAMA archives I linked?  joshcryer   May-01-07 12:27 AM   #77 
                                               - What's the matter...?  bliss_eternal   May-01-07 01:38 AM   #79 
                                               - Maybe so...  joshcryer   May-01-07 01:40 AM   #80 
                                               - Uh huh....  bliss_eternal   May-01-07 01:58 AM   #85 
                                               - If you follow the discussion I think you will find it is on topic and appropriate.  joshcryer   May-01-07 02:00 AM   #86 
                                               - Someone...  bliss_eternal   May-01-07 02:09 AM   #88 
                                               - if only that were the truth  iverglas   May-01-07 08:16 AM   #92 
                                               - I'm tired of arguging 'terms' with you. Register with the JAMA and figure it out for yourself.  joshcryer   May-01-07 06:09 PM   #93 
                                      - fuck off  iverglas   Apr-30-07 05:50 PM   #57 
                                         - iverglas, I posted a link to the NYT article in an above post.  joshcryer   Apr-30-07 06:57 PM   #64 
                                            - so you're accusing me of lying again?  iverglas   May-01-07 08:06 AM   #91 
                                               - These rambles make almost no sense at all...  joshcryer   May-01-07 06:13 PM   #94 
                       - plainly, you don't  iverglas   Apr-29-07 03:06 PM   #37 
                          - Since when was I for the legislation?  joshcryer   Apr-30-07 04:34 PM   #42 
                             - Quote you?  iverglas   Apr-30-07 04:57 PM   #45 
                                - You said:  joshcryer   Apr-30-07 05:27 PM   #49 
                                   - Clearly, you are playing games.  bliss_eternal   May-01-07 01:40 AM   #81 
                                      - But I never said I didn't support it. Doesn't that prove it is you who are playing games?  joshcryer   May-01-07 02:02 AM   #87 
                                         - Your double talk seems to only confuse you.  bliss_eternal   May-01-07 02:22 AM   #90 
  - Also doesn't allow any provision for the mental health of the woman.  Bunny   Apr-25-07 12:13 PM   #3 
  - You're missing...  bliss_eternal   Apr-26-07 02:55 AM   #9 
  - Good God!  Ind4now   Apr-27-07 01:43 PM   #18 
     - Is that so...?  bliss_eternal   Apr-27-07 02:14 PM   #19 
     - When people hear "health" they tend to think something drastic.  joshcryer   Apr-27-07 08:32 PM   #23 
     - You are not one of us  dancingAlone   Apr-27-07 02:33 PM   #20 
        - Well said, dancingAlone....  bliss_eternal   Apr-27-07 05:36 PM   #22 
        - Yes, "we" do sound like fools and idiots, don't we?  dancingAlone   Apr-28-07 01:44 AM   #26 
           - dancingAlone...!  bliss_eternal   Apr-28-07 01:46 AM   #27 
           - Kinda, actually.  joshcryer   Apr-28-07 03:23 PM   #29 
              - Oooooh, poor baby.  bliss_eternal   Apr-29-07 03:13 AM   #36 
        - As if anyone cares what someone on a forum thinks you think of them.  joshcryer   Apr-27-07 08:34 PM   #24 
           - Given...  bliss_eternal   Apr-27-07 11:10 PM   #25 
              - perhaps he finds it "amusing but not productive" ... n/t  Scout   Apr-28-07 10:43 AM   #28 
  - Ok, let me try, but I'm only going to say this once - I'll go slow  lukasahero   Apr-27-07 03:48 PM   #21 
  - If it's any consolation, I learned a few things on this thread. Thanks! n/t  Kingshakabobo   Apr-28-07 08:05 PM   #31 
  - Oh brother  JetCityLiberal   Apr-30-07 03:31 PM   #39 
  - "health" doesn't mean "health" it is code for "on demand" nt  cgrindley   Apr-30-07 05:52 PM   #58 
  - how sweet  iverglas   Apr-30-07 05:59 PM   #61 
  - There is no provision of health? Just for demand?  uppityperson   Apr-30-07 06:02 PM   #62 
  - Calling ones self "Pro Choice" while spewing right wing talking points  JetCityLiberal   Apr-30-07 06:44 PM   #63 
     - Stuff your right wing talking points crap  cgrindley   Apr-30-07 07:35 PM   #66 
        - Indeed, that's what the distortions attempt to do.  joshcryer   Apr-30-07 07:36 PM   #67 
           - post #68.  uppityperson   Apr-30-07 10:08 PM   #69 
              - Not a distortion.  joshcryer   Apr-30-07 11:31 PM   #73 
                 - I counter with 24 weeks.  uppityperson   Apr-30-07 11:34 PM   #74 
                    - I did, I said that there are varying POVs about the terminology.  joshcryer   May-01-07 12:02 AM   #75 
                       - 20 wks:24 wks. Infanticide:Abortion. "22 wks unheard of" Speaking of intellectually dishonest.  uppityperson   May-01-07 12:28 AM   #78 
                       - *shakes his head*  joshcryer   May-01-07 01:51 AM   #83 
                       - You're so funny...  bliss_eternal   May-01-07 01:43 AM   #82 
                          - If you didn't care what I thought you wouldn't make such an effort.  joshcryer   May-01-07 01:53 AM   #84 
                             - Clearly...  bliss_eternal   May-01-07 02:20 AM   #89 
  - Because it only allows for an imminent life endangering situation...  colinmom71   Apr-30-07 11:31 PM   #72 
  - What are you missing?  Kerrytravelers   May-02-07 03:49 PM   #95 
     - Thanks for the great news, KT...!  bliss_eternal   May-02-07 11:02 PM   #96 
        - Yes, it was great news.  Kerrytravelers   May-02-07 11:49 PM   #97 
 

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