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Fri Apr-27-07 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #19 |
| 23. When people hear "health" they tend to think something drastic. |
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Not normal "health concerns" of a normal pregnancy that women have been dealing with since the dawn of humankind.
BTW, after the bill was inacted for years D&E continued on happily, the bill doesn't ban anything, justs puts doctors in the position of having to explain themselves if they are aborting perfectly healthy pregnancies for conveinence.
Also, there is a legitimate argument that "life" also means "productive life," (life, liberty, happiness, stuff) so the argument could even go further to cover women who would be irrevocibly harmed by continuing a pregnancy (because that would impact their life).
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Ind4now |
Apr-25-07 07:05 AM |
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Missing? |
dancingAlone |
Apr-25-07 07:50 AM |
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Well thanks for the thought provoking response. |
Ind4now |
Apr-25-07 07:08 PM |
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You're not that dim really, are you? |
iverglas |
Apr-25-07 07:38 PM |
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It Is Too Restrictive |
stirlingsliver |
Apr-25-07 09:06 AM |
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Don't all pregnancies "damage a woman's health"? |
joshcryer |
Apr-25-07 06:23 PM |
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hey, you get it! |
iverglas |
Apr-25-07 07:36 PM |
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So you pretty much reject viablity from Roe v. Wade...? |
joshcryer |
Apr-25-07 08:42 PM |
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yuppers |
iverglas |
Apr-26-07 09:31 AM |
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There are lots of things in society that "are unhealthy" yet we have to deal with. |
joshcryer |
Apr-26-07 11:19 AM |
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well, blah blah blah |
iverglas |
Apr-26-07 11:25 AM |
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Smog is unhealthy... UV radiation is unhealthy... microwave radiation is unhealthy... |
joshcryer |
Apr-26-07 11:34 AM |
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ooooo |
iverglas |
Apr-26-07 01:35 PM |
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Heheh... |
joshcryer |
Apr-26-07 03:18 PM |
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my head spins ... |
iverglas |
Apr-26-07 03:44 PM |
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And so it continues... |
joshcryer |
Apr-26-07 04:15 PM |
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And therein lies the myth of 'partial birth abortion' |
Midlodemocrat |
Apr-28-07 07:06 PM |
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As far as I understand iverglas is arguing for 'choice' up until 'birth.' |
joshcryer |
Apr-28-07 08:13 PM |
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You are entitled to your opinion. Like everyone else. |
Midlodemocrat |
Apr-28-07 08:22 PM |
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I have found that the NCAP makes no claims about health. |
joshcryer |
Apr-28-07 08:33 PM |
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You get back to us after your next abortion, 'k? |
bliss_eternal |
Apr-29-07 03:09 AM |
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Wish I could nominate this post |
JetCityLiberal |
Apr-30-07 03:34 PM |
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Thank you for the NCAP info. I see nothing about D&E on healthy etc as you claim |
uppityperson |
Apr-29-07 03:11 PM |
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It's not on the NCAP website, the lobbying group made mention of it... |
joshcryer |
Apr-30-07 04:26 PM |
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So you base this statement..."will perform D&E on healthy mothers and fetuses with a completely norm |
uppityperson |
Apr-30-07 04:54 PM |
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That was the NCAP position 10 years ago. |
joshcryer |
Apr-30-07 05:08 PM |
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You are basing what NCAP says now on what Fitzsimmons said 10 yrs ago. |
uppityperson |
Apr-30-07 05:22 PM |
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I've been looking. I cannot find anything. |
joshcryer |
Apr-30-07 05:33 PM |
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Have you checked with NCAP themselves? Their website talks about early abortions. |
uppityperson |
Apr-30-07 05:38 PM |
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I don't think their organization supports it 'persay.' |
joshcryer |
Apr-30-07 05:41 PM |
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What NCAP affiliates "advertize it at that late of stage"? |
uppityperson |
Apr-30-07 05:47 PM |
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"the health of the pregnancy at that stage"????? |
iverglas |
Apr-30-07 05:56 PM |
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cheeses, do you pay no attention at all? |
iverglas |
Apr-30-07 04:55 PM |
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You're distorting it! He EXPLICTLY states when the procedure is performed! |
joshcryer |
Apr-30-07 05:24 PM |
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(American Journal of Medicine.) What? |
uppityperson |
Apr-30-07 05:28 PM |
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iverglas dissmissively linked me to a thread... |
joshcryer |
Apr-30-07 05:40 PM |
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I've seen viability dates, know those, the insertion of (AJM) was confusing. |
uppityperson |
Apr-30-07 05:49 PM |
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and fuck off a little farther |
iverglas |
Apr-30-07 05:53 PM |
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The JAMA calls it late term, Guttmacher calls it late term abortion. |
joshcryer |
Apr-30-07 07:03 PM |
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BS. G link doesn't define "late term" timeline,here's 1 that does(24wks)JAMA links are restricted. |
uppityperson |
Apr-30-07 10:07 PM |
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The point is that it's hotly disputed in the scientific community. |
joshcryer |
Apr-30-07 11:26 PM |
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Point is there is a big difference between 20 and 24 weeks. |
uppityperson |
Apr-30-07 11:30 PM |
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20 weeks is my personal feeling because of the JAMA article. |
joshcryer |
May-01-07 12:12 AM |
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Did you know you can register for the JAMA archives I linked? |
joshcryer |
May-01-07 12:27 AM |
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What's the matter...? |
bliss_eternal |
May-01-07 01:38 AM |
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Maybe so... |
joshcryer |
May-01-07 01:40 AM |
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Uh huh.... |
bliss_eternal |
May-01-07 01:58 AM |
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If you follow the discussion I think you will find it is on topic and appropriate. |
joshcryer |
May-01-07 02:00 AM |
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Someone... |
bliss_eternal |
May-01-07 02:09 AM |
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if only that were the truth |
iverglas |
May-01-07 08:16 AM |
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I'm tired of arguging 'terms' with you. Register with the JAMA and figure it out for yourself. |
joshcryer |
May-01-07 06:09 PM |
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fuck off |
iverglas |
Apr-30-07 05:50 PM |
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iverglas, I posted a link to the NYT article in an above post. |
joshcryer |
Apr-30-07 06:57 PM |
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so you're accusing me of lying again? |
iverglas |
May-01-07 08:06 AM |
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These rambles make almost no sense at all... |
joshcryer |
May-01-07 06:13 PM |
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plainly, you don't |
iverglas |
Apr-29-07 03:06 PM |
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Since when was I for the legislation? |
joshcryer |
Apr-30-07 04:34 PM |
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Quote you? |
iverglas |
Apr-30-07 04:57 PM |
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You said: |
joshcryer |
Apr-30-07 05:27 PM |
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Clearly, you are playing games. |
bliss_eternal |
May-01-07 01:40 AM |
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But I never said I didn't support it. Doesn't that prove it is you who are playing games? |
joshcryer |
May-01-07 02:02 AM |
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Your double talk seems to only confuse you. |
bliss_eternal |
May-01-07 02:22 AM |
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Also doesn't allow any provision for the mental health of the woman. |
Bunny |
Apr-25-07 12:13 PM |
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You're missing... |
bliss_eternal |
Apr-26-07 02:55 AM |
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Good God! |
Ind4now |
Apr-27-07 01:43 PM |
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Is that so...? |
bliss_eternal |
Apr-27-07 02:14 PM |
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When people hear "health" they tend to think something drastic. |
joshcryer |
Apr-27-07 08:32 PM |
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You are not one of us |
dancingAlone |
Apr-27-07 02:33 PM |
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Well said, dancingAlone.... |
bliss_eternal |
Apr-27-07 05:36 PM |
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Yes, "we" do sound like fools and idiots, don't we? |
dancingAlone |
Apr-28-07 01:44 AM |
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dancingAlone...! |
bliss_eternal |
Apr-28-07 01:46 AM |
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Kinda, actually. |
joshcryer |
Apr-28-07 03:23 PM |
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Oooooh, poor baby. |
bliss_eternal |
Apr-29-07 03:13 AM |
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As if anyone cares what someone on a forum thinks you think of them. |
joshcryer |
Apr-27-07 08:34 PM |
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Given... |
bliss_eternal |
Apr-27-07 11:10 PM |
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perhaps he finds it "amusing but not productive" ... n/t |
Scout |
Apr-28-07 10:43 AM |
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Ok, let me try, but I'm only going to say this once - I'll go slow |
lukasahero |
Apr-27-07 03:48 PM |
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If it's any consolation, I learned a few things on this thread. Thanks! n/t |
Kingshakabobo |
Apr-28-07 08:05 PM |
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Oh brother |
JetCityLiberal |
Apr-30-07 03:31 PM |
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"health" doesn't mean "health" it is code for "on demand" nt |
cgrindley |
Apr-30-07 05:52 PM |
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how sweet |
iverglas |
Apr-30-07 05:59 PM |
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There is no provision of health? Just for demand? |
uppityperson |
Apr-30-07 06:02 PM |
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Calling ones self "Pro Choice" while spewing right wing talking points |
JetCityLiberal |
Apr-30-07 06:44 PM |
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Stuff your right wing talking points crap |
cgrindley |
Apr-30-07 07:35 PM |
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Indeed, that's what the distortions attempt to do. |
joshcryer |
Apr-30-07 07:36 PM |
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post #68. |
uppityperson |
Apr-30-07 10:08 PM |
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Not a distortion. |
joshcryer |
Apr-30-07 11:31 PM |
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I counter with 24 weeks. |
uppityperson |
Apr-30-07 11:34 PM |
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I did, I said that there are varying POVs about the terminology. |
joshcryer |
May-01-07 12:02 AM |
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20 wks:24 wks. Infanticide:Abortion. "22 wks unheard of" Speaking of intellectually dishonest. |
uppityperson |
May-01-07 12:28 AM |
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*shakes his head* |
joshcryer |
May-01-07 01:51 AM |
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You're so funny... |
bliss_eternal |
May-01-07 01:43 AM |
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If you didn't care what I thought you wouldn't make such an effort. |
joshcryer |
May-01-07 01:53 AM |
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Clearly... |
bliss_eternal |
May-01-07 02:20 AM |
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Because it only allows for an imminent life endangering situation... |
colinmom71 |
Apr-30-07 11:31 PM |
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What are you missing? |
Kerrytravelers |
May-02-07 03:49 PM |
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Thanks for the great news, KT...! |
bliss_eternal |
May-02-07 11:02 PM |
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Yes, it was great news. |
Kerrytravelers |
May-02-07 11:49 PM |
#97 |
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