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Tue Nov-14-06 03:05 AM
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| 94. I'm not sure exactly what you're questioning, but here are some facts. |
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Yes, almost all the names of people and places in Genesis are symbolic, often for humorous or sarcastic, as well as historical, purposes in the story. The names are an integral part of the story -- as they often are in the stories of all oral, relational cultures. The names are part of the drama, part of the meaning of the story. This is not at all remarkable, but is a common feature of Semitic culture, as well as most non-western peoples of the world. The Human Thus Adam is the Hebrew word for "Human" -- "God created the Human..., he created them male and female" (Gen. 1:27). Then the Hebrew words for male person (man) and female person (woman) are used for the two individuals. Even these words form a poetic pair, as they would be in many languages that note gender in their word forms: ish-man, isha-woman. The Life The name of the female is Hawa, the Hebrew word for Life. Thus in the oral, poetic beauty of the story, captured in writing to hand down for the generations, we are told Human married Life and they had children. Yes, this powerful testimonial symbolism to God's plan is very difficult to adequately translate into other languages. Traditional English translators have done us a great disservice, by transliterating the words/names, instead of translating their full, rich meaning to bring out the dynamic story in the names of people and places! http://orvillejenkins.com/languages/hebreworiginal.html |
| -"Why Women Need the Goddess" |
bloom |
Oct-18-06 11:49 AM |
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thank you so much for sharing this. the patriarchal, abrahamic |
niyad |
Oct-18-06 11:52 AM |
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LOL........I thought your thread was about Judy Tununa |
buff2 |
Oct-18-06 11:54 AM |
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do you mean judy tenuda? |
niyad |
Oct-18-06 12:14 PM |
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I see no need for any fictional cloud being |
grizmaster |
Oct-18-06 11:57 AM |
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It's a cultural thing |
bloom |
Oct-18-06 12:10 PM |
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why must the symbol for life & wisdom be female? (or male for that matter) |
grizmaster |
Oct-18-06 12:25 PM |
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You may or may not know |
bloom |
Oct-18-06 12:57 PM |
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that tree of knowledge was a tricky deal |
grizmaster |
Oct-18-06 01:16 PM |
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What about Mary? |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Oct-18-06 06:02 PM |
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I realize that for some people |
bloom |
Oct-18-06 07:43 PM |
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Choice of Scripture readings |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-18-06 10:24 PM |
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It's the oldest struggle in the world |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Oct-19-06 11:39 AM |
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No, Eve is "life". Adam is "man"(humanity) . nt |
greyl |
Oct-18-06 07:56 PM |
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That is the simplified view |
bloom |
Oct-19-06 09:27 AM |
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No, not simplified. Accurate. To the point. True. |
greyl |
Oct-21-06 12:39 AM |
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The archaeology does not bear this out. |
okasha |
Oct-21-06 09:39 AM |
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Show me. |
greyl |
Nov-13-06 07:04 AM |
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And the lack of proof cannot be taken as proof either! |
TRYPHO |
Nov-13-06 07:09 PM |
#93 |
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I'm not sure exactly what you're questioning, but here are some facts. |
greyl |
Nov-14-06 03:05 AM |
#94 |
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I'm NOT about to start a flame war but.. |
TRYPHO |
Nov-25-06 05:04 PM |
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On the symbolism of the serpent, |
okasha |
Oct-21-06 10:04 AM |
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Why do we speak when pointing and grunting might suffice? |
realpolitik |
Oct-18-06 12:12 PM |
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I love Laurie Anderson (but I'd still rather see your face) |
grizmaster |
Oct-18-06 12:20 PM |
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We do like ritual, don't we? |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Oct-18-06 06:00 PM |
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The strength of Polytheism |
realpolitik |
Oct-18-06 12:02 PM |
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very powerfully put |
grizmaster |
Oct-18-06 12:27 PM |
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This is what I have come to |
realpolitik |
Oct-19-06 12:25 PM |
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polytheism, etc. |
bloom |
Oct-18-06 12:50 PM |
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I agree |
realpolitik |
Oct-19-06 12:27 PM |
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In case you missed it: |
bloom |
Oct-18-06 02:07 PM |
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Well, that's all well and good... |
Chulanowa |
Oct-19-06 02:22 AM |
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From what I've noticed |
bloom |
Oct-19-06 09:42 AM |
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Plain ol' atheism just seems easier, lol. |
Evoman |
Oct-19-06 02:00 PM |
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A lot of people |
bloom |
Oct-20-06 09:25 AM |
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I agree with this |
Evoman |
Oct-20-06 01:11 PM |
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I agree that it is more confrontational. |
bloom |
Oct-20-06 02:09 PM |
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Fine, fine...your right. |
Evoman |
Oct-20-06 02:19 PM |
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The "idea" that we need to replace one religion with another is stupid and |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-21-06 02:14 AM |
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I prefer gender-neutral divinity |
Chulanowa |
Oct-21-06 02:40 AM |
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"tacking an "-ess" onto the concept of "God" |
bloom |
Oct-21-06 10:32 PM |
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I agree, really |
Chulanowa |
Oct-22-06 03:45 AM |
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It's about the symbolism. |
bloom |
Oct-22-06 11:02 AM |
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You're attacking him because he's a man even though he's a true feminist? |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-22-06 03:39 PM |
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So the woman is to be greater than the man? |
Chulanowa |
Oct-22-06 03:39 PM |
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Mostly, I'm just esp. offended |
bloom |
Oct-23-06 08:29 PM |
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We're still missing parthenogenisis, ma'am |
Chulanowa |
Oct-26-06 02:21 PM |
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I suppose |
bloom |
Oct-31-06 08:35 AM |
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Sexism. |
trotsky |
Oct-31-06 09:07 AM |
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I'm aware that there are plenty of women |
bloom |
Oct-31-06 09:31 AM |
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So are you retracting your previous statement, then? |
trotsky |
Oct-31-06 09:34 AM |
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I think that there is a conjunction |
bloom |
Oct-31-06 10:23 AM |
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But that's not what you said. |
trotsky |
Oct-31-06 11:30 AM |
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"You crave absolutes." |
bloom |
Oct-31-06 11:42 AM |
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You can keep saying it. |
trotsky |
Oct-31-06 11:44 AM |
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At least as far as this particular forum goes |
bloom |
Oct-31-06 02:07 PM |
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Say what? |
trotsky |
Oct-31-06 02:17 PM |
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Nobody on the pedestal sounds good to me |
Chulanowa |
Nov-14-06 06:18 AM |
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I agree with much of your post, but strongly disagree with |
greyl |
Nov-14-06 12:56 PM |
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Evolutionarily speaking, we're a dud. |
Chulanowa |
Nov-14-06 04:47 PM |
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And just as a note... |
Chulanowa |
Nov-14-06 04:50 PM |
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"Do you give a damn whether a hundred generations from now..." |
bloom |
Nov-14-06 09:12 PM |
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We've got life left in us yet |
Chulanowa |
Nov-15-06 03:52 PM |
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Umm... a small problem here. |
salvorhardin |
Oct-22-06 11:16 PM |
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Your knowledge of Hinduism seems lacking |
muriel_volestrangler |
Oct-23-06 08:26 AM |
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bloom is probably referring |
okasha |
Oct-23-06 09:55 AM |
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There's a lot of variations on the basics. |
Chulanowa |
Oct-26-06 02:30 PM |
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I was mostly picturing some art that I had seen |
bloom |
Oct-31-06 08:48 AM |
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While I Don't Agree In Principle With Much Of What You Say |
Southpawkicker |
Oct-25-06 10:23 PM |
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You don't have to worry about being just a sperm donor |
neebob |
Oct-26-06 08:10 AM |
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LOL |
Southpawkicker |
Oct-26-06 08:39 PM |
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Women need education and income |
neebob |
Oct-23-06 02:55 AM |
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Thank you, neebob. You'd think that would be obvious. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-25-06 12:02 AM |
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Thanks, BMUS |
neebob |
Oct-25-06 10:06 AM |
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But that would be anti-woman! |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-26-06 09:56 PM |
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Well, then why aren't we tackling the men and smearing THEIR faces? |
neebob |
Oct-27-06 01:43 AM |
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Brilliant! |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-27-06 01:49 AM |
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It's already called MENstruation. |
neebob |
Oct-27-06 02:14 AM |
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Very good points |
Southpawkicker |
Oct-25-06 10:24 PM |
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People I know |
bloom |
Oct-25-06 11:11 PM |
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Oh, for pete's sake |
neebob |
Oct-25-06 11:59 PM |
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I see the article as being about women |
bloom |
Oct-26-06 09:13 AM |
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Oh brother. Oops, how "anti-woman" of me, I meant to say oh sister. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-26-06 08:47 PM |
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There are no goddesses either, bloom |
neebob |
Oct-27-06 12:40 AM |
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Rituals in Context |
bloom |
Oct-28-06 11:36 AM |
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Okay, since you're putting so much effort into convincing me |
neebob |
Oct-28-06 02:55 PM |
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I don't care if you're convinced or not |
bloom |
Oct-28-06 05:52 PM |
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It is more stupid than a lot of things people do |
neebob |
Oct-29-06 10:23 AM |
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I don't know why you are assuming |
bloom |
Oct-29-06 10:35 PM |
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Yes, well, you can't seem to resist making it personal |
neebob |
Oct-29-06 11:42 PM |
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You seem to have to assume that there is "magical thinking". |
bloom |
Oct-30-06 08:09 AM |
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Right, it's not magical thinking because the goddess doesn't exist. |
neebob |
Oct-30-06 08:46 AM |
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What she's doing, bloom, is called THINKING. That's what real feminists do. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-30-06 12:49 AM |
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Hey! How dare you use a male gender based phrase to express your exasperation? |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-26-06 07:46 PM |
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Oh, for Priscalla's sake! |
Random_Australian |
Oct-26-06 08:57 PM |
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Sounds tasty, I'll be right over. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-26-06 09:58 PM |
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Oh, I thought I was sticking it to the man |
neebob |
Oct-27-06 12:54 AM |
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That works too. |
beam me up scottie |
Oct-27-06 01:28 AM |
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I believe you, BUT... |
Finder |
Oct-26-06 09:11 AM |
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symbolism & rituals /religion |
bloom |
Oct-26-06 09:22 AM |
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Agreed! |
neebob |
Oct-26-06 12:06 AM |
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I don't care if its a god or goddess, as long as it ain't white. |
Evoman |
Oct-27-06 03:51 AM |
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They don't. They need to be treated like goddesses. |
greyl |
Nov-14-06 03:10 AM |
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"When the actual women of a culture... |
bloom |
Nov-14-06 09:40 PM |
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But are cultures with goddesses matriarchal or gender egalitarian? |
Nikia |
Nov-18-06 05:21 PM |
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cultures |
bloom |
Nov-18-06 08:32 PM |
#104 |
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