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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 03:37 PM
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46. Love isn't special at all.
Love is general. It's the specialness of physical existence that separates us from each other.

You keep asking "how do you know, how do you know?" . . . I would only ask in return that you tell me your age. (You may well assert that such a fact is not important, but I believe it is. What you are writing is exactly what I have said and defended in other times of my life, and I have a whole different way of understanding now.)

"You have no idea what the universe is..." is what you wrote above, and of course that's not true. I do have some ideas, and I can give you a pretty good accounting of Big Bang Nucleosynthesis and how it brought about what we know as matter. You refuse to make conjectures without some sort of basis for it, but I'm willing to make broader conjecture, much broader than when I believed that science was the end of knowing.

Now if you're as old as I, I'll have some different kinds of questions. But my guess is that you are much younger than I am, with experiences and understandings similar to mine when I was asking the same questions.
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  -Liberally religious people & philosophical atheists - "Truth" bloom  Oct-07-06 12:38 PM   #0 
  - Thanks.  LouisianaLiberal   Oct-07-06 01:07 PM   #1 
  - belief people v. knowledge people  pat_k   Oct-07-06 01:10 PM   #2 
  - Belief is speculative.  charles22   Oct-07-06 01:20 PM   #4 
  - Nevertheless, some apparently reside there. . .  pat_k   Oct-07-06 01:35 PM   #5 
     - Oh sure.  charles22   Oct-07-06 01:37 PM   #6 
     - "belief people" & "knowledge people"  bloom   Oct-07-06 03:35 PM   #7 
        - Truth always wins in the end...  Finder   Oct-07-06 04:19 PM   #8 
  - Wow that's an interesting read.  lvx35   Oct-09-06 10:44 PM   #11 
  - Good post....and I agree basic truths need to be established...  Finder   Oct-07-06 01:18 PM   #3 
  - Pros and cons  Nabeshin   Oct-07-06 09:05 PM   #9 
  - A few things to point out...  Finder   Oct-09-06 06:25 PM   #10 
  - The atheists and spiritual left are far too lazy to ever move forward.  lvx35   Oct-09-06 11:04 PM   #12 
  - Speak for yourself...n/t  Finder   Oct-10-06 08:22 AM   #15 
  - Speak for yourself.  Random_Australian   Oct-10-06 06:35 PM   #19 
     - Thank you for illustrating my point.  lvx35   Oct-10-06 09:18 PM   #22 
        - Maybe.  greyl   Oct-10-06 09:35 PM   #23 
        - I accept that criticism.  lvx35   Oct-10-06 09:39 PM   #24 
        - Hmmm.  Random_Australian   Oct-11-06 02:42 AM   #36 
  - We can have political consensus and ethical consensus  Evoman   Oct-09-06 11:26 PM   #13 
  - Maybe there's plenty of truth in religion, but not the kind you buy into.  Ron_Green   Oct-10-06 12:43 AM   #14 
     - There is NO TRUTH IN RELIGION, except by coincedence and  Evoman   Oct-10-06 05:58 PM   #16 
     - Illiterate camel herder gets lucky  ironbark   Oct-10-06 08:09 PM   #21 
     - You seem to be angry and rigid in your assertions.  Ron_Green   Oct-11-06 12:54 AM   #26 
     - I have very little anger....annoyance, perhaps, best  Evoman   Oct-11-06 01:15 AM   #30 
     - Thanks for allowing that my religious beliefs, if any, may not be worthy  Ron_Green   Oct-11-06 01:42 AM   #33 
        - Lol...I don't much get deism either.  Evoman   Oct-11-06 02:05 AM   #35 
           - That is not Deism, that is Pantheism. n/t  Finder   Oct-11-06 08:13 AM   #37 
           - The view that makes the most sense to me  Ron_Green   Oct-11-06 01:16 PM   #43 
              - Wow...where did you get all of THAT!  Evoman   Oct-11-06 02:08 PM   #45 
                 - Love isn't special at all.  Ron_Green   Oct-11-06 03:37 PM   #46 
                 - I am no doubt much younger than you  Evoman   Oct-11-06 05:05 PM   #47 
                    - Thanks for dealing straight with me in this little exchange.  Ron_Green   Oct-11-06 05:40 PM   #48 
                 - Re: "How do you know ANY of this stuff?"  bloom   Oct-11-06 10:35 PM   #54 
     - oops  Evoman   Oct-11-06 08:13 PM   #53 
     - Science is the search for fact, not truth  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Oct-11-06 08:30 AM   #39 
        - No.  Evoman   Oct-11-06 11:40 AM   #40 
           - Who says everyone takes the story of Noah literally?  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Oct-11-06 11:57 AM   #41 
              - I know you don't believe in Noah...don't strawman me.  Evoman   Oct-11-06 12:29 PM   #42 
     - ....  Random_Australian   Oct-10-06 06:26 PM   #18 
     - Maybe you're not one of the many.  Ron_Green   Oct-11-06 12:56 AM   #27 
     - I agree with you on the creationism/intelligent design issue.  beam me up scottie   Oct-10-06 11:59 PM   #25 
        - This is what I don't understand - how does rejection require acceptance?  Ron_Green   Oct-11-06 01:02 AM   #28 
        - To be able to reject something, I have to understand what it is.  beam me up scottie   Oct-11-06 01:08 AM   #29 
           - What do you mean?  Evoman   Oct-11-06 01:22 AM   #31 
              - Exactly.  beam me up scottie   Oct-11-06 01:39 AM   #32 
              - Its patronizing drivel, and its arrogant.  Evoman   Oct-11-06 01:54 AM   #34 
              - "because we're angry or disappointed"  trotsky   Oct-11-06 01:42 PM   #44 
                 - Me, I'm ECSTATIC that I'm god-free!  Zhade   Oct-11-06 07:10 PM   #50 
                 - There is another mechanism too.  Random_Australian   Oct-11-06 07:28 PM   #52 
                    - Very good point, RA.  Evoman   Oct-11-06 11:40 PM   #56 
              - You nailed it...n/t  Finder   Oct-11-06 08:19 AM   #38 
        - Exactly. One cannot 'reject' what has never been proven to exist.  Zhade   Oct-11-06 07:08 PM   #49 
  - Why not both?  Random_Australian   Oct-10-06 06:25 PM   #17 
  - Both theories are self-evidently wrong.  Donald Ian Rankin   Oct-10-06 06:41 PM   #20 
  - "Universal truth is not measured in mass appeal."  Zhade   Oct-11-06 07:10 PM   #51 
  - "Truth... is something you discover"  bloom   Oct-11-06 10:52 PM   #55 
  - I think differences in what are considered legitimate sources of knowledge  greyl   Oct-12-06 12:19 AM   #57 

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