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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 09:28 PM
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Islam: what do you think?
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Recently, out of pure interest, I began researching the similarities and differences between Christianity and Islam. The last thing in the world I want to be is religiously intolerant, but I was shocked at some of the things I found out about Islam (and I made sure I researched only non-rightwing sources). For example, the 72 virgins for dying for Allah bit is actually in the Koran, not just in the Al-Qaeda training manual like I used to think. I know there are Christian fanatics as well as Muslim fanatics, and I am ashamed to share the same religion as them. What do you think: is Islam really an inherently violent religion or is that only RW propaganda?
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  -Islam: what do you think? Rocknrule  Jul-14-06 09:28 PM   #0 
  - RW propaganda (eom)  Mandate My Ass   Jul-14-06 09:30 PM   #1 
  - No, it's not inherently violent.  Redstone   Jul-14-06 09:31 PM   #2 
  - No, it's not, at all n/t  manic expression   Jul-21-06 09:24 AM   #65 
  - read the Old Testament  ixion   Jul-14-06 09:33 PM   #3 
  - Amen to that!!  4bucksagallon   Jul-14-06 09:37 PM   #8 
  - it has a violent history  Bill McBlueState   Jul-14-06 09:34 PM   #4 
  - well said!  rainy   Jul-14-06 09:40 PM   #11 
  - And a violent present  Solo_in_MD   Jul-14-06 09:45 PM   #12 
  - Inherent violence?  stangoodwin   Jul-15-06 01:54 AM   #31 
  - interesting that you mention cosmology  Bill McBlueState   Jul-15-06 10:44 AM   #33 
  - You may find this interesting  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-16-06 05:33 PM   #56 
  - I think all three of the Abraham religions  mmonk   Jul-14-06 09:34 PM   #5 
  - Guess which religions have women getting their father drunk to have sex  undeterred   Jul-14-06 09:35 PM   #6 
  - I find the 6th Sura to be a bit nasty...  YOY   Jul-14-06 09:37 PM   #7 
  - Thanks to you,  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-16-06 04:41 PM   #47 
  - RW propaganda  Cocoa   Jul-14-06 09:38 PM   #9 
  - It's RW propaganda  Warpy   Jul-14-06 09:40 PM   #10 
  - fanaticism of any kind is inherently dangerous  anarch   Jul-14-06 09:45 PM   #13 
  - Pir Shabda Khan  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-16-06 04:46 PM   #48 
  - bullcrap!!!....show me the 72 Virgins verse in the Qur'an...  blitzen   Jul-14-06 09:48 PM   #14 
  - Put the Quotes in Context  Onus   Jul-14-06 11:12 PM   #22 
  - Which "context" would you like?  blitzen   Jul-14-06 11:31 PM   #24 
  - I need to check out those two books  Onus   Jul-14-06 11:56 PM   #26 
     - classical Tafsir, for example al-Tabari,  blitzen   Jul-15-06 12:15 AM   #28 
        - Not Relying on "Interpretation"  Onus   Jul-15-06 12:40 PM   #37 
           - the question we were debating was 49.13, not 49.15  blitzen   Jul-15-06 07:51 PM   #42 
              - A Sufi interpretation  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-16-06 05:06 PM   #51 
                 - Yes, sounds like Ibn Arabi  blitzen   Jul-16-06 07:04 PM   #58 
  - I think I know what the problem is here  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-16-06 04:48 PM   #49 
  - Put THIS in context, Nazi!  Zhade   Jul-18-06 07:21 PM   #60 
  - Virgins Just Not "72"  Onus   Jul-14-06 11:25 PM   #23 
  - here's some "context" for you  blitzen   Jul-14-06 11:41 PM   #25 
  - I was agreeing with you  Onus   Jul-15-06 12:05 AM   #27 
     - okay, sorry, i thought you were supporting the OP's  blitzen   Jul-15-06 12:24 AM   #29 
     - Can you identify the hadith for me, please?  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-16-06 05:17 PM   #53 
  - From Abdullah Yusuf Ali  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-16-06 05:11 PM   #52 
  - Like your post/s blitzen..  stangoodwin   Jul-15-06 02:50 AM   #32 
  - Great Debate  Onus   Jul-16-06 12:15 PM   #45 
  - Which translation are you using?  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-16-06 04:58 PM   #50 
  - If by inherently...  varkam   Jul-14-06 09:52 PM   #15 
  - I don't believe Islam is an inherently violent  cliss   Jul-14-06 10:13 PM   #16 
  - RW propaganda. The Bible, the Talmud, Torah AND the Quaran all...  Poll_Blind   Jul-14-06 10:22 PM   #17 
  - Hang on a second  Donald Ian Rankin   Jul-21-06 06:47 AM   #63 
  - Four and Six  Onus   Jul-14-06 10:34 PM   #18 
  - I heard an interesting quote on the BBC the other night.  megatherium   Jul-14-06 11:02 PM   #21 
  - Please cite your source  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-16-06 05:21 PM   #54 
  - Islam is not inherently violent  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jul-14-06 10:57 PM   #19 
  - the Koran gives you the virgins in Heaven...  progdonkey   Jul-14-06 10:57 PM   #20 
  - If by "virgin*s*" you mean 72 of them,  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jul-15-06 01:13 AM   #30 
     - um, was my point unclear?  progdonkey   Jul-15-06 11:33 AM   #34 
        - It appeared you were claiming the Koran stated "72 virgins"  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jul-15-06 09:43 PM   #44 
  - In a lot of ways, it is just like Christianity.  catbert836   Jul-15-06 12:10 PM   #35 
  - The Crusades - Just like the "72 virgins"  Onus   Jul-15-06 01:02 PM   #38 
  - You can't be serious.  catbert836   Jul-15-06 01:22 PM   #40 
  - He was a freeper. Now dead.  Zhade   Jul-18-06 07:22 PM   #61 
  - the Crusades, especially the early ones, were a "jobs"  blitzen   Jul-15-06 08:03 PM   #43 
  - Comparison  Onus   Jul-15-06 01:06 PM   #39 
  - On the contrary  catbert836   Jul-15-06 01:28 PM   #41 
  - Fundamentalists are the problem in Christianity also  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jul-16-06 10:30 PM   #59 
  - Yes, he makes very good points in his book  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-16-06 05:24 PM   #55 
  - I don't think the religion is any more  TallahasseeGrannie   Jul-15-06 12:18 PM   #36 
  - You may think you only looked at moderate/progressive sources  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-16-06 04:29 PM   #46 
  - It's a fool's errand to compare the two religions, for there  igil   Jul-16-06 06:27 PM   #57 
  - I think its as whacky as everything else.  Evoman   Jul-18-06 08:53 PM   #62 
  - I think it's the most unpleasant of the major world religions.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jul-21-06 06:56 AM   #64 
  - Same as I think of all religions, Christianity included: not very highly.  Zhade   Jul-21-06 06:46 PM   #66 
  - About those "virgins"...  PsychoDad   Jul-25-06 01:13 PM   #67 
 

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