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Response to Reply #177
180. You really believe in your no "true Christian" fallacy, don't you kwassa?
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 08:37 PM by beam me up scottie
I guess I should stop asking you to prove the fallacy since it qualifies as a religious belief.

It would be wrong to ask a true believer to provide "proof" of what he believes in, since belief is based on faith and not evidence and/or logic.
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  -Why do some atheists care so much as to who is Christian or isn't? kwassa  Jun-08-06 08:17 AM   #0 
  - To prove a point.  HypnoToad   Jun-08-06 08:18 AM   #1 
  - Same reason Christians relentlessly define atheists  cosmik debris   Jun-08-06 08:22 AM   #2 
  - Interesting that you define Christians and atheists  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jun-08-06 09:03 AM   #23 
  - Just my observation  cosmik debris   Jun-08-06 09:20 AM   #31 
  - I would think so, too  Goblinmonger   Jun-08-06 09:25 AM   #34 
  - That's what I hoped, as well. nt  JerseygirlCT   Jun-08-06 12:27 PM   #46 
  - Why do they have to be adversaries?  musical_soul   Jun-12-06 02:11 PM   #176 
  - Religion is evil and needs to be stopped  afrosia   Jun-08-06 08:23 AM   #3 
  - But I know many people with no religion who are miserable  johnnie   Jun-08-06 08:25 AM   #7 
  - Vice versa  afrosia   Jun-08-06 08:28 AM   #8 
     - Exactly n/t  johnnie   Jun-08-06 08:31 AM   #10 
  - Hey, welcome to DU!  Orrex   Jun-08-06 08:48 AM   #18 
  - Welcome to DU  TallahasseeGrannie   Jun-08-06 08:58 AM   #20 
  - Apologies  afrosia   Jun-08-06 09:08 AM   #24 
  - Welcome to DU!  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jun-08-06 09:08 AM   #25 
  - Yes  afrosia   Jun-08-06 09:22 AM   #33 
     - Yeah, my church has an environmental action group, lots of out GLBT  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-09-06 12:30 PM   #61 
  - That brush must be heavy - it's so wide.  JerseygirlCT   Jun-08-06 12:28 PM   #47 
  - SOME religions, I think, to be fair.  Zhade   Jun-09-06 03:20 PM   #64 
  - Why are some Christians so obsessed with what atheists think of them?  smoogatz   Jun-08-06 08:23 AM   #4 
  - Well, suppose someone were to say, "Smoogatz is a creep because s/he  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-09-06 12:33 PM   #62 
     - Uh huh, except that analagy does not stand, as name is not related to  Random_Australian   Jun-10-06 08:22 AM   #83 
  - For the same reason most people do this sort of thing  johnnie   Jun-08-06 08:24 AM   #5 
  - And those beliefs would be...?  Zhade   Jun-09-06 03:21 PM   #65 
     - I guess it would be whatever beliefs they have  johnnie   Jun-10-06 10:20 AM   #84 
        - I'M an atheist, and your words don't describe me.  Zhade   Jun-10-06 03:02 PM   #89 
           - You don't have any beliefs at all?  johnnie   Jun-10-06 03:55 PM   #98 
              - Of course I have beliefs, just not what you described.  Zhade   Jun-10-06 04:03 PM   #99 
                 - Well, everything is a process, even religion  johnnie   Jun-10-06 04:21 PM   #100 
                    - Sigh. You're not getting my meaning.  Zhade   Jun-10-06 04:54 PM   #101 
                       - But see, to me science and atheism *is* a belief system  johnnie   Jun-10-06 05:10 PM   #102 
                          - Some dictionaries also define atheist as "immoral".  Zhade   Jun-10-06 06:01 PM   #103 
                             - *sigh*  johnnie   Jun-10-06 06:20 PM   #104 
                                - I don't think you need to apologize, I'm not offended.  Zhade   Jun-10-06 07:20 PM   #105 
  - Try googling Hitler and Atheist some time  Caution   Jun-08-06 08:24 AM   #6 
  - I don't really care who is Christian or not.  jojo54   Jun-08-06 08:31 AM   #9 
  - That's a big question  Orrex   Jun-08-06 08:38 AM   #11 
  - Thinking Hitler is an atheist is simply a lack of historical knowledge  kwassa   Jun-08-06 09:29 AM   #35 
     - But consider  Orrex   Jun-08-06 09:57 AM   #41 
  - It's the HYPOCRISY, Grasshopper  Warpy   Jun-08-06 08:43 AM   #12 
  - It's the hypocrisy  Canuckistanian   Jun-08-06 08:46 AM   #13 
  - Couldn't agree more  afrosia   Jun-08-06 09:18 AM   #29 
     - The Gospel of Supply Side Jesus  Canuckistanian   Jun-08-06 09:53 AM   #39 
  - Because when we discussion religion with people  Goblinmonger   Jun-08-06 08:46 AM   #14 
  - Good answer  TallahasseeGrannie   Jun-08-06 09:09 AM   #26 
  - Because many of you can't admit there are bad christians  jonnyblitz   Jun-08-06 08:46 AM   #15 
  - To underline the hypocricy of some people  TechBear_Seattle   Jun-08-06 08:47 AM   #16 
  - I've known some real people in my time  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jun-08-06 09:12 AM   #28 
     - Raise above what divides us, yes. But...  TechBear_Seattle   Jun-08-06 09:52 AM   #38 
  - Christians are the one who are  moobu2   Jun-08-06 08:47 AM   #17 
  - Of course.  afrosia   Jun-08-06 08:57 AM   #19 
  - Most atheists would welcome all Xians coming around to the atheist view,  John1956PA   Jun-08-06 09:02 AM   #21 
  - Here's the thing  TallahasseeGrannie   Jun-08-06 09:02 AM   #22 
  - Actually it's the complete opposite.  trotsky   Jun-08-06 09:10 AM   #27 
  - Not exactly  kwassa   Jun-08-06 09:22 AM   #32 
     - As an atheist, I don't give a crap who is a Christian.  Goblinmonger   Jun-08-06 09:29 AM   #36 
     - So that you can't keep moving the goalposts.  trotsky   Jun-08-06 09:55 AM   #40 
     - "anyone who says they are a Christian is one"  GreenArrow   Jun-09-06 08:04 AM   #53 
        - Oh, no, don't take that standpoint  Goblinmonger   Jun-09-06 08:13 AM   #55 
        - not sure where you're getting the slippery slope from  GreenArrow   Jun-09-06 09:45 AM   #56 
           - Name a famous "bad-apple christian"  Goblinmonger   Jun-09-06 10:04 AM   #57 
           - there are 2 billion Christians in the world today  GreenArrow   Jun-09-06 10:51 AM   #58 
           - Hmmm  trotsky   Jun-09-06 11:07 AM   #59 
              - in practical terms,  GreenArrow   Jun-09-06 09:36 PM   #74 
                 - Wish I had a nickel for every time I've been through this.  trotsky   Jun-10-06 08:02 AM   #82 
                    - I wish you did too!  Zhade   Jun-10-06 03:09 PM   #90 
           - The godhatesfags guy is  Proud_Democratt   Jun-09-06 05:03 PM   #69 
           - "Some people who claim to be Christian are lying about it."  Zhade   Jun-09-06 03:40 PM   #66 
              - Which is more reasonable to expect?  GreenArrow   Jun-09-06 08:21 PM   #71 
                 - He never, EVER implied that none did, just that you do not now which  Random_Australian   Jun-09-06 08:28 PM   #72 
                 - "he never implied..." it certainly seemed that way to me  GreenArrow   Jun-09-06 09:48 PM   #75 
                 - He is saying, you do not know who is lying, and who is not.  Random_Australian   Jun-09-06 09:49 PM   #76 
                 - and I say I can  GreenArrow   Jun-09-06 10:30 PM   #78 
                    - Alright then, go ahead, tell us how you can without reading minds.....  Random_Australian   Jun-09-06 10:33 PM   #80 
                    - Please show me how you - and I - can do so.  Zhade   Jun-10-06 03:13 PM   #93 
                 - Did this word from his post not show up on your monitor ?:  beam me up scottie   Jun-09-06 10:02 PM   #77 
                    - yes, I saw it  GreenArrow   Jun-09-06 10:32 PM   #79 
                       - Basic logic - if something is possible, it CAN'T also be impossible.  Zhade   Jun-10-06 03:11 PM   #92 
                 - Thank you, RA.  Zhade   Jun-10-06 03:10 PM   #91 
                 - Don't put words in my mouth.  Zhade   Jun-10-06 02:59 PM   #88 
        - Well, Other Than Mind Reading, How Else Can You Tell  Southpawkicker   Jun-09-06 10:49 PM   #81 
           - SPK, I'm glad to see you responding to this.  Zhade   Jun-10-06 03:14 PM   #94 
  - Because Hypocrisy sucks  iconoclastNYC   Jun-08-06 09:18 AM   #30 
  - We win!  afrosia   Jun-08-06 09:44 AM   #37 
  - Again, please realize you are talking about only one concept of God  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jun-08-06 10:24 AM   #43 
  - maybe because those who espouse their  ellenfl   Jun-08-06 10:15 AM   #42 
  - The Taliban and the Talibornagains  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jun-08-06 10:25 AM   #44 
  - Heh!  Brentos   Jun-09-06 12:21 PM   #60 
  - They keep doling out...death to  Proud_Democratt   Jun-09-06 05:07 PM   #70 
  - I think the negative effects of religion  ozone_man   Jun-08-06 11:39 AM   #45 
  - The Hitler-Christian issue is about...  Proud_Democratt   Jun-08-06 05:00 PM   #48 
  - It's Also, Who Would Want To Claim Him! n/t  Southpawkicker   Jun-08-06 08:45 PM   #50 
  - more fundamentally, Hitler was a Human Being.  GreenArrow   Jun-09-06 08:12 AM   #54 
  - Who says he's an atheist?  Dorian Gray   Jun-11-06 02:06 PM   #111 
  - I Think It's Just In The Air Or Something?  Southpawkicker   Jun-08-06 08:44 PM   #49 
  - We're worried about our christian brothers and sisters!  beam me up scottie   Jun-08-06 11:04 PM   #51 
  - We aren't the ones with the obsession  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jun-08-06 11:44 PM   #52 
  - So people like you can't get away with the NTS fallacy.  Zhade   Jun-09-06 02:28 PM   #63 
  - GAH, typo.  Zhade   Jun-09-06 03:51 PM   #67 
  - LOL!!! (scene from my play)  Evoman   Jun-09-06 04:38 PM   #68 
  - I sense lunch in your future.  Zhade   Jun-10-06 03:17 PM   #95 
  - I like to know who's going to try to kill me.  CarbonDate   Jun-09-06 09:31 PM   #73 
  - You're the one who cares, kwassa.  catbert836   Jun-10-06 11:27 AM   #85 
  - Sorry, but the only ones insisting they know the definition are atheists  kwassa   Jun-10-06 01:12 PM   #86 
     - Bwahahahaha!  catbert836   Jun-10-06 02:46 PM   #87 
     - It IS pretty funny to watch him flail.  Zhade   Jun-10-06 03:26 PM   #97 
     - logic error  kwassa   Jun-11-06 12:23 PM   #108 
        - Keep telling yourself that.  Zhade   Jun-13-06 02:22 PM   #193 
     - The errors in application of the No True Scotsman fallacy  kwassa   Jun-11-06 12:09 PM   #106 
        - ROFLMAO! Christians are used as examples in the DEFINITION of the fallacy!  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 01:46 PM   #109 
           - You need to read the Wikipedia definition carefully, which you haven't  kwassa   Jun-11-06 04:26 PM   #113 
           - Fascinating.  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 04:37 PM   #114 
           - You must spend much time looking in the mirror, I would think  kwassa   Jun-11-06 06:16 PM   #116 
              - That's it?  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 07:43 PM   #125 
                 - You should be.  kwassa   Jun-11-06 09:11 PM   #141 
                    - Hitler was a christian and babies are atheists.  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 09:29 PM   #146 
                       - This seems like a catechism for some atheists  kwassa   Jun-11-06 09:36 PM   #149 
                          - Atheists don't have beliefs.  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 09:43 PM   #156 
                             - Yeah, whatever, just a lot of IDEAS that seem identical.  kwassa   Jun-11-06 09:53 PM   #160 
                                - "Yeah, whatever" ???  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 09:55 PM   #161 
                                   - Hey! Still waiting for your rebuttal on my analysis of No True Scotsman!  kwassa   Jun-11-06 09:58 PM   #163 
                                      - "No true christian would be a Nazi" = No True Scotsman fallacy.  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 10:03 PM   #166 
                                      - I counter your NTS Fallacy Fallacy with the NTS Fallacy Fallacy Fallacy!  beam me up scottie   Jun-12-06 12:45 AM   #169 
                                         - Best write up of NTS ever!  salvorhardin   Jun-12-06 12:11 PM   #172 
                                         - Isn't it though?  beam me up scottie   Jun-12-06 08:32 PM   #179 
                                         - I think you might be on to something  salvorhardin   Jun-12-06 09:06 PM   #184 
                                         - I'll bring the Not True Hossenpfeffer !  beam me up scottie   Jun-12-06 09:15 PM   #185 
                                         - Aiiee! You better not let spotted elephant hear you say that.  salvorhardin   Jun-12-06 09:34 PM   #186 
                                         - But I was thinking of her!  beam me up scottie   Jun-12-06 09:37 PM   #187 
                                         - Cute, but he doesn't rebut my argument either. Nor have you.  kwassa   Jun-12-06 02:43 PM   #177 
                                            - You really believe in your no "true Christian" fallacy, don't you kwassa?  beam me up scottie   Jun-12-06 08:36 PM   #180 
                                            - I disagree, my belief is quite logical.  kwassa   Jun-13-06 08:04 AM   #190 
                                            - If your beliefs are so logical, why won't you answer trotsky?  beam me up scottie   Jun-13-06 07:50 PM   #194 
           - Here's where your defense of the fallacy fails, kwassa.  trotsky   Jun-12-06 12:53 PM   #173 
              - Thank you, trotsky.  beam me up scottie   Jun-12-06 08:41 PM   #181 
           - Does the "No Scotsman" fallacy apply here?  WoodrowFan   Jun-13-06 07:08 AM   #188 
     - You're not a Christian, because you judge, and that's un-Christ-like.  Zhade   Jun-10-06 03:19 PM   #96 
        - Define "Christian" to your heart's content  kwassa   Jun-11-06 12:19 PM   #107 
           - "It seems that some atheists seek an absolutist definition"  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 01:56 PM   #110 
              - Some Christians use the same definition you do, many don't.  kwassa   Jun-11-06 04:15 PM   #112 
                 - Many do. And you have no way of knowing who is lying about their beliefs.  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 04:43 PM   #115 
                 - Not true.  kwassa   Jun-11-06 06:24 PM   #117 
                    - So I Take It That There Is Some Crucible In Which You Boil It Down  Southpawkicker   Jun-11-06 06:34 PM   #118 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-11-06 06:56 PM   #119 
                       - So Now I'm Not A Christian In Your Opinion?  Southpawkicker   Jun-11-06 07:09 PM   #120 
                          - Why would you think so?  kwassa   Jun-11-06 07:15 PM   #121 
                             - That's Not What You Just Said  Southpawkicker   Jun-11-06 07:19 PM   #122 
                                - That is what I just said.  kwassa   Jun-11-06 07:37 PM   #123 
                                   - Your Response Didn't Seem Like a "Hypothetical"  Southpawkicker   Jun-11-06 07:41 PM   #124 
                                      - Sorry, my manner is cut-and-dried sometimes  kwassa   Jun-11-06 07:47 PM   #126 
                    - A diehard proponent of the No True Scotsman fallacy lecturing about logic?  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 07:52 PM   #127 
                    - Still waiting for your rebuttal on my analysis of No True Scotsman  kwassa   Jun-11-06 08:15 PM   #128 
                       - What analysis? You are the posterboy for the NTS fallacy, kwassa.  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 08:21 PM   #129 
                          - Let's see if you can post a reasoned rebuttal  kwassa   Jun-11-06 08:26 PM   #130 
                             - There's nothing to refute. You said you don't believe in the NTS fallacy.  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 08:34 PM   #131 
                                - I've specifically refuted it, and you can't rebut, apparently.  kwassa   Jun-11-06 08:37 PM   #133 
                                   - Look into the mirror:  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 08:45 PM   #135 
                                      - I'll post it for the third time, since you didn't get it the last two  kwassa   Jun-11-06 08:48 PM   #136 
                                         - I got it the first two times-It's just as ridiculous the third time around  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 08:59 PM   #137 
                                            - I knew you couldn't refute it. You are defeated once again.  kwassa   Jun-11-06 09:08 PM   #139 
                                               - Why that's just as brilliant as your statement about Nazis and christians.  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 09:27 PM   #143 
                                               - Still waiting ........ no rebuttal from BMUS, of course  kwassa   Jun-11-06 09:29 PM   #145 
                                               - As before, give me something to rebut and I'll comply.  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 09:39 PM   #151 
                                               - Still waiting .... no rebuttal from BMUS  kwassa   Jun-11-06 09:41 PM   #154 
                                               - How does one rebut a personal belief?  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 09:51 PM   #159 
                                               - Still haven't rebutted the argument.  kwassa   Jun-11-06 09:55 PM   #162 
                                               - There is no argument. There is the No True Scotsman fallacy and  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 10:01 PM   #165 
                                               - Good night, I've had enough of your avoidance.  kwassa   Jun-11-06 10:00 PM   #164 
                                               - Babies are atheists.  beam me up scottie   Jun-11-06 10:04 PM   #168 
                                               - Repeating falsehoods hundreds of times doesn't make them true  kwassa   Jun-12-06 02:46 PM   #178 
                                               - You mean like the No True Christian fallacy?  beam me up scottie   Jun-12-06 08:43 PM   #182 
                                               - I disagree  kwassa   Jun-13-06 08:14 AM   #191 
                                               - kwassa, please see post #173.  trotsky   Jun-13-06 08:40 AM   #192 
                                               - Answer trotsky.  beam me up scottie   Jun-13-06 07:52 PM   #195 
                    - Your position seems innately hypocritical  salvorhardin   Jun-11-06 08:35 PM   #132 
                       - "Innately hypocritical"?  kwassa   Jun-11-06 08:43 PM   #134 
                          - So you just have no objective standards whatsoever?  salvorhardin   Jun-11-06 09:07 PM   #138 
                             - What in the world are you talking about?  kwassa   Jun-11-06 09:10 PM   #140 
                                - Well then, can you enumerate your standards?  salvorhardin   Jun-11-06 09:23 PM   #142 
                                   - I apologize, because I DID NOT judge Southpawkicker not ...  kwassa   Jun-11-06 09:27 PM   #144 
                                      - Behavior implies action  salvorhardin   Jun-11-06 09:30 PM   #147 
                                         - You are following the wrong tack  kwassa   Jun-11-06 09:32 PM   #148 
                                            - If no behavior is exclusive to Christians  salvorhardin   Jun-11-06 09:36 PM   #150 
                                               - I already said it.  kwassa   Jun-11-06 09:39 PM   #152 
                                                  - So your standard for judging whether a person is a Christian or not  salvorhardin   Jun-11-06 09:41 PM   #153 
                                                  - Yes  kwassa   Jun-11-06 09:43 PM   #155 
                                                  - You agree with both those statements? n/t  salvorhardin   Jun-11-06 09:44 PM   #157 
                                                  - You added the second after I responded to the first  kwassa   Jun-11-06 09:49 PM   #158 
                                                  - How do you gage their honesty? n/t  salvorhardin   Jun-11-06 10:03 PM   #167 
                 - The Bible says:  CarbonDate   Jun-12-06 04:34 AM   #170 
  - Militant atheism is closely akin to fundamentalism.  Vidar   Jun-12-06 09:02 AM   #171 
     - What's "Militant Atheism"?  catbert836   Jun-12-06 01:09 PM   #174 
        - Onward Atheist Soldiers, Marching off to War .....  kwassa   Jun-12-06 01:20 PM   #175 
        - The belief that no evidence for gods exists, god-dammit!!!  beam me up scottie   Jun-12-06 08:45 PM   #183 
        - Since no one has ever offered up a definition when I've asked...  trotsky   Jun-13-06 07:32 AM   #189 
 

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