| 146. Hitler was a christian and babies are atheists. |
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That's the truth, grasshopper.  Don't you want to help your friend attack us in the other thread? He's already told a recovering alcoholic to "get a drink", we're just waiting to see what he comes up with next. He could use some more of your encouragement. |
| -Why do some atheists care so much as to who is Christian or isn't? |
kwassa |
Jun-08-06 08:17 AM |
#0 |
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To prove a point. |
HypnoToad |
Jun-08-06 08:18 AM |
#1 |
| -
Same reason Christians relentlessly define atheists |
cosmik debris |
Jun-08-06 08:22 AM |
#2 |
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Interesting that you define Christians and atheists |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Jun-08-06 09:03 AM |
#23 |
| -
Just my observation |
cosmik debris |
Jun-08-06 09:20 AM |
#31 |
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I would think so, too |
Goblinmonger |
Jun-08-06 09:25 AM |
#34 |
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That's what I hoped, as well. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-08-06 12:27 PM |
#46 |
| -
Why do they have to be adversaries? |
musical_soul |
Jun-12-06 02:11 PM |
#176 |
| -
Religion is evil and needs to be stopped |
afrosia |
Jun-08-06 08:23 AM |
#3 |
| -
But I know many people with no religion who are miserable |
johnnie |
Jun-08-06 08:25 AM |
#7 |
| -
Vice versa |
afrosia |
Jun-08-06 08:28 AM |
#8 |
| -
Exactly n/t |
johnnie |
Jun-08-06 08:31 AM |
#10 |
| -
Hey, welcome to DU! |
Orrex |
Jun-08-06 08:48 AM |
#18 |
| -
Welcome to DU |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Jun-08-06 08:58 AM |
#20 |
| -
Apologies |
afrosia |
Jun-08-06 09:08 AM |
#24 |
| -
Welcome to DU! |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Jun-08-06 09:08 AM |
#25 |
| -
Yes |
afrosia |
Jun-08-06 09:22 AM |
#33 |
| -
Yeah, my church has an environmental action group, lots of out GLBT |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-09-06 12:30 PM |
#61 |
| -
That brush must be heavy - it's so wide. |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-08-06 12:28 PM |
#47 |
| -
SOME religions, I think, to be fair. |
Zhade |
Jun-09-06 03:20 PM |
#64 |
| -
Why are some Christians so obsessed with what atheists think of them? |
smoogatz |
Jun-08-06 08:23 AM |
#4 |
| -
Well, suppose someone were to say, "Smoogatz is a creep because s/he |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-09-06 12:33 PM |
#62 |
| -
Uh huh, except that analagy does not stand, as name is not related to |
Random_Australian |
Jun-10-06 08:22 AM |
#83 |
| -
For the same reason most people do this sort of thing |
johnnie |
Jun-08-06 08:24 AM |
#5 |
| -
And those beliefs would be...? |
Zhade |
Jun-09-06 03:21 PM |
#65 |
| -
I guess it would be whatever beliefs they have |
johnnie |
Jun-10-06 10:20 AM |
#84 |
| -
I'M an atheist, and your words don't describe me. |
Zhade |
Jun-10-06 03:02 PM |
#89 |
| -
You don't have any beliefs at all? |
johnnie |
Jun-10-06 03:55 PM |
#98 |
| -
Of course I have beliefs, just not what you described. |
Zhade |
Jun-10-06 04:03 PM |
#99 |
| -
Well, everything is a process, even religion |
johnnie |
Jun-10-06 04:21 PM |
#100 |
| -
Sigh. You're not getting my meaning. |
Zhade |
Jun-10-06 04:54 PM |
#101 |
| -
But see, to me science and atheism *is* a belief system |
johnnie |
Jun-10-06 05:10 PM |
#102 |
| -
Some dictionaries also define atheist as "immoral". |
Zhade |
Jun-10-06 06:01 PM |
#103 |
| -
*sigh* |
johnnie |
Jun-10-06 06:20 PM |
#104 |
| -
I don't think you need to apologize, I'm not offended. |
Zhade |
Jun-10-06 07:20 PM |
#105 |
| -
Try googling Hitler and Atheist some time |
Caution |
Jun-08-06 08:24 AM |
#6 |
| -
I don't really care who is Christian or not. |
jojo54 |
Jun-08-06 08:31 AM |
#9 |
| -
That's a big question |
Orrex |
Jun-08-06 08:38 AM |
#11 |
| -
Thinking Hitler is an atheist is simply a lack of historical knowledge |
kwassa |
Jun-08-06 09:29 AM |
#35 |
| -
But consider |
Orrex |
Jun-08-06 09:57 AM |
#41 |
| -
It's the HYPOCRISY, Grasshopper |
Warpy |
Jun-08-06 08:43 AM |
#12 |
| -
It's the hypocrisy |
Canuckistanian |
Jun-08-06 08:46 AM |
#13 |
| -
Couldn't agree more |
afrosia |
Jun-08-06 09:18 AM |
#29 |
| -
The Gospel of Supply Side Jesus |
Canuckistanian |
Jun-08-06 09:53 AM |
#39 |
| -
Because when we discussion religion with people |
Goblinmonger |
Jun-08-06 08:46 AM |
#14 |
| -
Good answer |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Jun-08-06 09:09 AM |
#26 |
| -
Because many of you can't admit there are bad christians |
jonnyblitz |
Jun-08-06 08:46 AM |
#15 |
| -
To underline the hypocricy of some people |
TechBear_Seattle |
Jun-08-06 08:47 AM |
#16 |
| -
I've known some real people in my time |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Jun-08-06 09:12 AM |
#28 |
| -
Raise above what divides us, yes. But... |
TechBear_Seattle |
Jun-08-06 09:52 AM |
#38 |
| -
Christians are the one who are |
moobu2 |
Jun-08-06 08:47 AM |
#17 |
| -
Of course. |
afrosia |
Jun-08-06 08:57 AM |
#19 |
| -
Most atheists would welcome all Xians coming around to the atheist view, |
John1956PA |
Jun-08-06 09:02 AM |
#21 |
| -
Here's the thing |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Jun-08-06 09:02 AM |
#22 |
| -
Actually it's the complete opposite. |
trotsky |
Jun-08-06 09:10 AM |
#27 |
| -
Not exactly |
kwassa |
Jun-08-06 09:22 AM |
#32 |
| -
As an atheist, I don't give a crap who is a Christian. |
Goblinmonger |
Jun-08-06 09:29 AM |
#36 |
| -
So that you can't keep moving the goalposts. |
trotsky |
Jun-08-06 09:55 AM |
#40 |
| -
"anyone who says they are a Christian is one" |
GreenArrow |
Jun-09-06 08:04 AM |
#53 |
| -
Oh, no, don't take that standpoint |
Goblinmonger |
Jun-09-06 08:13 AM |
#55 |
| -
not sure where you're getting the slippery slope from |
GreenArrow |
Jun-09-06 09:45 AM |
#56 |
| -
Name a famous "bad-apple christian" |
Goblinmonger |
Jun-09-06 10:04 AM |
#57 |
| -
there are 2 billion Christians in the world today |
GreenArrow |
Jun-09-06 10:51 AM |
#58 |
| -
Hmmm |
trotsky |
Jun-09-06 11:07 AM |
#59 |
| -
in practical terms, |
GreenArrow |
Jun-09-06 09:36 PM |
#74 |
| -
Wish I had a nickel for every time I've been through this. |
trotsky |
Jun-10-06 08:02 AM |
#82 |
| -
I wish you did too! |
Zhade |
Jun-10-06 03:09 PM |
#90 |
| -
The godhatesfags guy is |
Proud_Democratt |
Jun-09-06 05:03 PM |
#69 |
| -
"Some people who claim to be Christian are lying about it." |
Zhade |
Jun-09-06 03:40 PM |
#66 |
| -
Which is more reasonable to expect? |
GreenArrow |
Jun-09-06 08:21 PM |
#71 |
| -
He never, EVER implied that none did, just that you do not now which |
Random_Australian |
Jun-09-06 08:28 PM |
#72 |
| -
"he never implied..." it certainly seemed that way to me |
GreenArrow |
Jun-09-06 09:48 PM |
#75 |
| -
He is saying, you do not know who is lying, and who is not. |
Random_Australian |
Jun-09-06 09:49 PM |
#76 |
| -
and I say I can |
GreenArrow |
Jun-09-06 10:30 PM |
#78 |
| -
Alright then, go ahead, tell us how you can without reading minds..... |
Random_Australian |
Jun-09-06 10:33 PM |
#80 |
| -
Please show me how you - and I - can do so. |
Zhade |
Jun-10-06 03:13 PM |
#93 |
| -
Did this word from his post not show up on your monitor ?: |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-09-06 10:02 PM |
#77 |
| -
yes, I saw it |
GreenArrow |
Jun-09-06 10:32 PM |
#79 |
| -
Basic logic - if something is possible, it CAN'T also be impossible. |
Zhade |
Jun-10-06 03:11 PM |
#92 |
| -
Thank you, RA. |
Zhade |
Jun-10-06 03:10 PM |
#91 |
| -
Don't put words in my mouth. |
Zhade |
Jun-10-06 02:59 PM |
#88 |
| -
Well, Other Than Mind Reading, How Else Can You Tell |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-09-06 10:49 PM |
#81 |
| -
SPK, I'm glad to see you responding to this. |
Zhade |
Jun-10-06 03:14 PM |
#94 |
| -
Because Hypocrisy sucks |
iconoclastNYC |
Jun-08-06 09:18 AM |
#30 |
| -
We win! |
afrosia |
Jun-08-06 09:44 AM |
#37 |
| -
Again, please realize you are talking about only one concept of God |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Jun-08-06 10:24 AM |
#43 |
| -
maybe because those who espouse their |
ellenfl |
Jun-08-06 10:15 AM |
#42 |
| -
The Taliban and the Talibornagains |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Jun-08-06 10:25 AM |
#44 |
| -
Heh! |
Brentos |
Jun-09-06 12:21 PM |
#60 |
| -
They keep doling out...death to |
Proud_Democratt |
Jun-09-06 05:07 PM |
#70 |
| -
I think the negative effects of religion |
ozone_man |
Jun-08-06 11:39 AM |
#45 |
| -
The Hitler-Christian issue is about... |
Proud_Democratt |
Jun-08-06 05:00 PM |
#48 |
| -
It's Also, Who Would Want To Claim Him! n/t |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-08-06 08:45 PM |
#50 |
| -
more fundamentally, Hitler was a Human Being. |
GreenArrow |
Jun-09-06 08:12 AM |
#54 |
| -
Who says he's an atheist? |
Dorian Gray |
Jun-11-06 02:06 PM |
#111 |
| -
I Think It's Just In The Air Or Something? |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-08-06 08:44 PM |
#49 |
| -
We're worried about our christian brothers and sisters! |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-08-06 11:04 PM |
#51 |
| -
We aren't the ones with the obsession |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Jun-08-06 11:44 PM |
#52 |
| -
So people like you can't get away with the NTS fallacy. |
Zhade |
Jun-09-06 02:28 PM |
#63 |
| -
GAH, typo. |
Zhade |
Jun-09-06 03:51 PM |
#67 |
| -
LOL!!! (scene from my play) |
Evoman |
Jun-09-06 04:38 PM |
#68 |
| -
I sense lunch in your future. |
Zhade |
Jun-10-06 03:17 PM |
#95 |
| -
I like to know who's going to try to kill me. |
CarbonDate |
Jun-09-06 09:31 PM |
#73 |
| -
You're the one who cares, kwassa. |
catbert836 |
Jun-10-06 11:27 AM |
#85 |
| -
Sorry, but the only ones insisting they know the definition are atheists |
kwassa |
Jun-10-06 01:12 PM |
#86 |
| -
Bwahahahaha! |
catbert836 |
Jun-10-06 02:46 PM |
#87 |
| -
It IS pretty funny to watch him flail. |
Zhade |
Jun-10-06 03:26 PM |
#97 |
| -
logic error |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 12:23 PM |
#108 |
| -
Keep telling yourself that. |
Zhade |
Jun-13-06 02:22 PM |
#193 |
| -
The errors in application of the No True Scotsman fallacy |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 12:09 PM |
#106 |
| -
ROFLMAO! Christians are used as examples in the DEFINITION of the fallacy! |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 01:46 PM |
#109 |
| -
You need to read the Wikipedia definition carefully, which you haven't |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 04:26 PM |
#113 |
| -
Fascinating. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 04:37 PM |
#114 |
| -
You must spend much time looking in the mirror, I would think |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 06:16 PM |
#116 |
| -
That's it? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 07:43 PM |
#125 |
| -
You should be. |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 09:11 PM |
#141 |
| -
Hitler was a christian and babies are atheists. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 09:29 PM |
#146 |
| -
This seems like a catechism for some atheists |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 09:36 PM |
#149 |
| -
Atheists don't have beliefs. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 09:43 PM |
#156 |
| -
Yeah, whatever, just a lot of IDEAS that seem identical. |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 09:53 PM |
#160 |
| -
"Yeah, whatever" ??? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 09:55 PM |
#161 |
| -
Hey! Still waiting for your rebuttal on my analysis of No True Scotsman! |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 09:58 PM |
#163 |
| -
"No true christian would be a Nazi" = No True Scotsman fallacy. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 10:03 PM |
#166 |
| -
I counter your NTS Fallacy Fallacy with the NTS Fallacy Fallacy Fallacy! |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-12-06 12:45 AM |
#169 |
| -
Best write up of NTS ever! |
salvorhardin |
Jun-12-06 12:11 PM |
#172 |
| -
Isn't it though? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-12-06 08:32 PM |
#179 |
| -
I think you might be on to something |
salvorhardin |
Jun-12-06 09:06 PM |
#184 |
| -
I'll bring the Not True Hossenpfeffer ! |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-12-06 09:15 PM |
#185 |
| -
Aiiee! You better not let spotted elephant hear you say that. |
salvorhardin |
Jun-12-06 09:34 PM |
#186 |
| -
But I was thinking of her! |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-12-06 09:37 PM |
#187 |
| -
Cute, but he doesn't rebut my argument either. Nor have you. |
kwassa |
Jun-12-06 02:43 PM |
#177 |
| -
You really believe in your no "true Christian" fallacy, don't you kwassa? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-12-06 08:36 PM |
#180 |
| -
I disagree, my belief is quite logical. |
kwassa |
Jun-13-06 08:04 AM |
#190 |
| -
If your beliefs are so logical, why won't you answer trotsky? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-13-06 07:50 PM |
#194 |
| -
Here's where your defense of the fallacy fails, kwassa. |
trotsky |
Jun-12-06 12:53 PM |
#173 |
| -
Thank you, trotsky. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-12-06 08:41 PM |
#181 |
| -
Does the "No Scotsman" fallacy apply here? |
WoodrowFan |
Jun-13-06 07:08 AM |
#188 |
| -
You're not a Christian, because you judge, and that's un-Christ-like. |
Zhade |
Jun-10-06 03:19 PM |
#96 |
| -
Define "Christian" to your heart's content |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 12:19 PM |
#107 |
| -
"It seems that some atheists seek an absolutist definition" |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 01:56 PM |
#110 |
| -
Some Christians use the same definition you do, many don't. |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 04:15 PM |
#112 |
| -
Many do. And you have no way of knowing who is lying about their beliefs. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 04:43 PM |
#115 |
| -
Not true. |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 06:24 PM |
#117 |
| -
So I Take It That There Is Some Crucible In Which You Boil It Down |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-11-06 06:34 PM |
#118 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-11-06 06:56 PM |
#119 |
| -
So Now I'm Not A Christian In Your Opinion? |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-11-06 07:09 PM |
#120 |
| -
Why would you think so? |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 07:15 PM |
#121 |
| -
That's Not What You Just Said |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-11-06 07:19 PM |
#122 |
| -
That is what I just said. |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 07:37 PM |
#123 |
| -
Your Response Didn't Seem Like a "Hypothetical" |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-11-06 07:41 PM |
#124 |
| -
Sorry, my manner is cut-and-dried sometimes |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 07:47 PM |
#126 |
| -
A diehard proponent of the No True Scotsman fallacy lecturing about logic? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 07:52 PM |
#127 |
| -
Still waiting for your rebuttal on my analysis of No True Scotsman |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 08:15 PM |
#128 |
| -
What analysis? You are the posterboy for the NTS fallacy, kwassa. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 08:21 PM |
#129 |
| -
Let's see if you can post a reasoned rebuttal |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 08:26 PM |
#130 |
| -
There's nothing to refute. You said you don't believe in the NTS fallacy. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 08:34 PM |
#131 |
| -
I've specifically refuted it, and you can't rebut, apparently. |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 08:37 PM |
#133 |
| -
Look into the mirror: |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 08:45 PM |
#135 |
| -
I'll post it for the third time, since you didn't get it the last two |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 08:48 PM |
#136 |
| -
I got it the first two times-It's just as ridiculous the third time around |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 08:59 PM |
#137 |
| -
I knew you couldn't refute it. You are defeated once again. |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 09:08 PM |
#139 |
| -
Why that's just as brilliant as your statement about Nazis and christians. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 09:27 PM |
#143 |
| -
Still waiting ........ no rebuttal from BMUS, of course |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 09:29 PM |
#145 |
| -
As before, give me something to rebut and I'll comply. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 09:39 PM |
#151 |
| -
Still waiting .... no rebuttal from BMUS |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 09:41 PM |
#154 |
| -
How does one rebut a personal belief? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 09:51 PM |
#159 |
| -
Still haven't rebutted the argument. |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 09:55 PM |
#162 |
| -
There is no argument. There is the No True Scotsman fallacy and |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 10:01 PM |
#165 |
| -
Good night, I've had enough of your avoidance. |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 10:00 PM |
#164 |
| -
Babies are atheists. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-11-06 10:04 PM |
#168 |
| -
Repeating falsehoods hundreds of times doesn't make them true |
kwassa |
Jun-12-06 02:46 PM |
#178 |
| -
You mean like the No True Christian fallacy? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-12-06 08:43 PM |
#182 |
| -
I disagree |
kwassa |
Jun-13-06 08:14 AM |
#191 |
| -
kwassa, please see post #173. |
trotsky |
Jun-13-06 08:40 AM |
#192 |
| -
Answer trotsky. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-13-06 07:52 PM |
#195 |
| -
Your position seems innately hypocritical |
salvorhardin |
Jun-11-06 08:35 PM |
#132 |
| -
"Innately hypocritical"? |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 08:43 PM |
#134 |
| -
So you just have no objective standards whatsoever? |
salvorhardin |
Jun-11-06 09:07 PM |
#138 |
| -
What in the world are you talking about? |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 09:10 PM |
#140 |
| -
Well then, can you enumerate your standards? |
salvorhardin |
Jun-11-06 09:23 PM |
#142 |
| -
I apologize, because I DID NOT judge Southpawkicker not ... |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 09:27 PM |
#144 |
| -
Behavior implies action |
salvorhardin |
Jun-11-06 09:30 PM |
#147 |
| -
You are following the wrong tack |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 09:32 PM |
#148 |
| -
If no behavior is exclusive to Christians |
salvorhardin |
Jun-11-06 09:36 PM |
#150 |
| -
I already said it. |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 09:39 PM |
#152 |
| -
So your standard for judging whether a person is a Christian or not |
salvorhardin |
Jun-11-06 09:41 PM |
#153 |
| -
Yes |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 09:43 PM |
#155 |
| -
You agree with both those statements? n/t |
salvorhardin |
Jun-11-06 09:44 PM |
#157 |
| -
You added the second after I responded to the first |
kwassa |
Jun-11-06 09:49 PM |
#158 |
| -
How do you gage their honesty? n/t |
salvorhardin |
Jun-11-06 10:03 PM |
#167 |
| -
The Bible says: |
CarbonDate |
Jun-12-06 04:34 AM |
#170 |
| -
Militant atheism is closely akin to fundamentalism. |
Vidar |
Jun-12-06 09:02 AM |
#171 |
| -
What's "Militant Atheism"? |
catbert836 |
Jun-12-06 01:09 PM |
#174 |
| -
Onward Atheist Soldiers, Marching off to War ..... |
kwassa |
Jun-12-06 01:20 PM |
#175 |
| -
The belief that no evidence for gods exists, god-dammit!!! |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-12-06 08:45 PM |
#183 |
| -
Since no one has ever offered up a definition when I've asked... |
trotsky |
Jun-13-06 07:32 AM |
#189 |
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