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Response to Reply #106
110. My litmus test, which is my belief ....
is whether or not they generally follow and emulate the teachings of Christ in their life.

It's all about walking the walk, not talking the talk.
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  -Your opinions please - when I say * is not a Christian arnheim  Jun-06-06 09:52 AM   #0 
  - When I make that point,  Rose Siding   Jun-06-06 09:57 AM   #1 
  - I did that  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:22 AM   #17 
     - This person has made the judgment  Lexingtonian   Jun-06-06 10:44 AM   #26 
        - I never thought to do that!  arnheim   Jun-06-06 04:35 PM   #61 
           - if so  Lexingtonian   Jun-06-06 09:28 PM   #85 
  - he's not a Christian.  GreenArrow   Jun-06-06 09:59 AM   #2 
  - But the problem is, "Christ's teachings" aren't plain to see.  trotsky   Jun-06-06 10:00 AM   #3 
  - Jesus Himself said that the most important commandment is  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:03 AM   #6 
     - It flows from there? Hehe.  trotsky   Jun-06-06 10:08 AM   #7 
     - I see what you're saying but Christ's teachings don't change  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:17 AM   #10 
        - They might not change,  trotsky   Jun-06-06 11:00 AM   #32 
           - Oh, interpretation is everything, isn't it?  arnheim   Jun-06-06 01:04 PM   #39 
              - Problem is,  trotsky   Jun-06-06 01:09 PM   #42 
                 - Oh, I understand. That's the whole crux of the matter  arnheim   Jun-06-06 01:16 PM   #45 
                    - Sure I've heard them preach on those things.  trotsky   Jun-06-06 02:01 PM   #53 
                       - I've watched them and I never hear about the loving teachings of Christ  arnheim   Jun-06-06 04:34 PM   #60 
                          - Jesus told one guy--  igil   Jun-08-06 06:12 PM   #175 
     - tell them you "hate the sin" not the sinner  unpossibles   Jun-06-06 11:17 AM   #34 
     - I'm sure that nonChristians look at us like we're nuts  arnheim   Jun-06-06 01:18 PM   #46 
        - if it helps, I think everyone is a little nuts  unpossibles   Jun-06-06 01:31 PM   #49 
           - Thank you for your kind words  arnheim   Jun-06-06 04:37 PM   #62 
              - "When I listen to *, I feel full of anger and disgust."  GreenArrow   Jun-06-06 08:33 PM   #81 
                 - I can hear the mocking. I hear it.  arnheim   Jun-06-06 09:31 PM   #87 
     - No, he didn't.  igil   Jun-08-06 06:07 PM   #174 
  - Talk is cheap, and at some point you need to acknowledge  Warpy   Jun-06-06 10:00 AM   #4 
  - But did I cross the line into judgement?  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:23 AM   #18 
  - To say bush is not a christian  BOSSHOG   Jun-06-06 10:02 AM   #5 
  - His family voted for * because he is a "Christian"  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:11 AM   #8 
     - bush supporters are incredibly proud  BOSSHOG   Jun-06-06 10:18 AM   #12 
     - If you met this guy's parents, you'd see what I mean  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:36 AM   #24 
     - These are the people who believe Bush is a Christian because  Arkansas Granny   Jun-06-06 10:47 AM   #28 
     - But why?!? Why don't they notice?  arnheim   Jun-06-06 12:59 PM   #37 
        - When you don't want to see something or when you don't want  Arkansas Granny   Jun-06-06 01:10 PM   #43 
           - I'm too stubborn to admit when I've been wrong too  arnheim   Jun-06-06 01:20 PM   #47 
     - You could point out to him that Kerry is a Christian too  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-06-06 04:31 PM   #59 
        - Thank you for your honest post  arnheim   Jun-06-06 04:43 PM   #63 
  - You're not judging, you're INSPECTING THE FRUIT ON THE TREE  cpamomfromtexas   Jun-06-06 10:12 AM   #9 
  - Interesting analogy  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:20 AM   #13 
     - Absolutely, and a little off topic but here goes.  cpamomfromtexas   Jun-06-06 10:36 AM   #25 
  - Only my opinion.  nancyr   Jun-06-06 10:18 AM   #11 
  - No, you're just stating facts. If you were me, you'd say something along  sinkingfeeling   Jun-06-06 10:20 AM   #14 
  - "Christianity" and the degrees thereof...  SacredCow   Jun-06-06 10:20 AM   #15 
  - And Christians on the left are constantly silenced by those who say  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:29 AM   #21 
     - It points to something inherently hateful and deceitful in their nature...  SacredCow   Jun-06-06 10:52 AM   #29 
        - Great post. I agree with you on the organized religion thing  arnheim   Jun-06-06 01:01 PM   #38 
           - Awww- Thanks, arnheim...  SacredCow   Jun-06-06 02:46 PM   #54 
              - We shall incite rebellion - and blame it on trotsky! ;)  arnheim   Jun-06-06 04:47 PM   #64 
  - Who am I to say?  acmejack   Jun-06-06 10:22 AM   #16 
  - Those in public office are open to judgment....It's why we vote  JohnnyRingo   Jun-06-06 10:28 AM   #19 
  - I'd rather not go there with him  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:30 AM   #22 
  - Being Rich And Calling Yourself A Christian Is An Oxymoron  mntleo2   Jun-06-06 10:28 AM   #20 
  - Excellent posts but the question still remains  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:33 AM   #23 
  - Good Question! Being Judgmental ~ What IS That?  mntleo2   Jun-06-06 11:10 AM   #33 
     - So, are we sinning if we view sin and don't point it out?  arnheim   Jun-06-06 01:08 PM   #41 
  - Obervation:  Brentos   Jun-06-06 01:05 PM   #40 
  - The religious right may very likely say that you  Goblinmonger   Jun-06-06 10:46 AM   #27 
  - I love your sig line, btw  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:54 AM   #30 
     - Thanks, pushes two hot buttons on DU  Goblinmonger   Jun-06-06 10:59 AM   #31 
        - And "Loving" Is A Big Word  mntleo2   Jun-06-06 11:34 AM   #35 
        - Christ Himself was perfect  arnheim   Jun-06-06 12:57 PM   #36 
  - Bush is a good Christian, maybe even a great one.  moobu2   Jun-06-06 01:15 PM   #44 
  - Depends on your definition of "Christian"  arnheim   Jun-06-06 01:21 PM   #48 
     - Hateful, were better than you,  moobu2   Jun-06-06 01:35 PM   #50 
        - Argh! That is not what Christianity is all about  arnheim   Jun-06-06 04:49 PM   #65 
  - Is Osama Bin Laden a Muslim?  Lilith Velkor   Jun-06-06 01:48 PM   #51 
  - I do see your point - but - am I a baseball player?  arnheim   Jun-06-06 04:53 PM   #66 
     - Apples and...baseballs?  Lilith Velkor   Jun-06-06 07:33 PM   #73 
        - No, I'm saying that a person can say that they are anything  arnheim   Jun-06-06 08:05 PM   #76 
           - Yes and yes  Lilith Velkor   Jun-06-06 10:58 PM   #133 
              - Amen  arnheim   Jun-07-06 07:58 PM   #153 
  - doubled - whee!  Lilith Velkor   Jun-06-06 01:49 PM   #52 
  - He IS very typical of today's Right Wing Christian.  Proud_Democratt   Jun-06-06 02:51 PM   #55 
  - Bush is a Christian.  ozone_man   Jun-06-06 03:03 PM   #56 
  - I like your quote from Frank Harris.. I've been  Proud_Democratt   Jun-06-06 03:10 PM   #57 
  - I just posted something very similar in "what is a Christian?"  Proud_Democratt   Jun-06-06 03:13 PM   #58 
  - And I responded to your post!  arnheim   Jun-06-06 05:00 PM   #68 
  - No, I'm glad  ozone_man   Jun-07-06 09:06 AM   #145 
  - That quote is interesting, to say the least!  arnheim   Jun-06-06 05:00 PM   #67 
     - deleted  Proud_Democratt   Jun-06-06 07:10 PM   # 
     - You'll find that most Christians are offended if  Proud_Democratt   Jun-06-06 07:10 PM   #72 
        - Paul's writings, however, are oft-quoted  arnheim   Jun-06-06 08:07 PM   #77 
           - Jesus was Jewish....Paul did not approve of  Proud_Democratt   Jun-06-06 08:14 PM   #80 
  - We can't throw him out of the boat  TallahasseeGrannie   Jun-06-06 05:44 PM   #69 
  - I know it's rough  Lilith Velkor   Jun-06-06 07:53 PM   #75 
  - I know the spirit in which you intended that  arnheim   Jun-06-06 09:44 PM   #94 
     - You're a mindreader?!  Lilith Velkor   Jun-06-06 11:08 PM   #136 
        - I am a mindreader, yes  arnheim   Jun-07-06 07:59 PM   #154 
           - ...  Lilith Velkor   Jun-07-06 08:16 PM   #160 
              - And I'm not a man, baby!  arnheim   Jun-07-06 08:26 PM   #165 
                 - Well, I'm not exclusively straight  Lilith Velkor   Jun-07-06 10:03 PM   #166 
  - Your post is correct, TG, according to the Bible  arnheim   Jun-06-06 08:09 PM   #78 
  - George Bush says he's a Christian  GreenArrow   Jun-07-06 08:29 AM   #142 
     - You might be right  TallahasseeGrannie   Jun-07-06 10:14 AM   #148 
        - Excellent post, TallahasseeGrannie  arnheim   Jun-07-06 08:20 PM   #163 
  - Bush May Be A Christian  Southpawkicker   Jun-06-06 06:10 PM   #70 
  - And I feel that we should dispute it  arnheim   Jun-06-06 08:11 PM   #79 
     - Now, It Is Fair To Attack His Actions  Southpawkicker   Jun-06-06 09:50 PM   #98 
        - As an atheist, you can stare from the outside and see things  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:13 PM   #113 
           - Southpaw is a christian.  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 10:19 PM   #118 
           - Oops! I meant to reply to you!!  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:26 PM   #122 
              - Oh.  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 10:32 PM   #125 
                 - But BMUS, Let Me Ask You A Question  Southpawkicker   Jun-06-06 10:50 PM   #131 
                    - Good question.  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 11:05 PM   #134 
                       - Yes, Guilt Can Be The Eternal Gift  Southpawkicker   Jun-06-06 11:07 PM   #135 
                       - I am struggling with something now that I can't forgive myself for  arnheim   Jun-07-06 07:57 PM   #152 
           - I Vote That He's An Antichrist  Southpawkicker   Jun-06-06 10:46 PM   #130 
           - Pope John Paul II believed the same  arnheim   Jun-07-06 08:09 PM   #157 
           - " he is trying to purposely do the opposite of what Christ has  GreenArrow   Jun-07-06 08:40 AM   #143 
              - Again, though, some might say that he's not trying to pervert  arnheim   Jun-07-06 08:15 PM   #159 
                 - some might believe that  GreenArrow   Jun-07-06 10:12 PM   #167 
  - * is a pathetic excuse for a human being,  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 06:46 PM   #71 
  - Hi, Beam Me Up Scottie! Long time, no see!  arnheim   Jun-06-06 09:01 PM   #82 
     - Actually, some eyes would bat at that.  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 09:19 PM   #83 
     - You "get it" more so than many Christians  arnheim   Jun-06-06 09:29 PM   #86 
     - You rock, arnheim.  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 09:37 PM   #89 
        - I sure will, you Whackjob, you!  arnheim   Jun-06-06 09:43 PM   #93 
     - but you can with me  kwassa   Jun-06-06 09:36 PM   #88 
     - Went right over your head, didn't it?  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 09:41 PM   #91 
        - Oh, dear. This is feeling strangely familiar...  arnheim   Jun-06-06 09:47 PM   #95 
        - It's okay. That's why I explained it the way I did.  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 09:59 PM   #104 
        - When have I ever stated my belief as a fact?  kwassa   Jun-06-06 09:51 PM   #99 
           - Right here:  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 09:56 PM   #101 
           - That's a belief.  kwassa   Jun-06-06 10:06 PM   #107 
              - ROFLMAO !!!  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 10:14 PM   #114 
                 - Reading is fundamental  kwassa   Jun-07-06 09:20 AM   #147 
           - And here:  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 09:57 PM   #103 
           - Also a belief.  kwassa   Jun-06-06 10:07 PM   #108 
              - Doesn't say that, does it?  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 10:16 PM   #116 
           - Now That Is True That Your Belief Is Your Belief  Southpawkicker   Jun-06-06 10:03 PM   #106 
              - My litmus test, which is my belief ....  kwassa   Jun-06-06 10:09 PM   #110 
                 - I Would Agree That We All Look At Whether The Actions  Southpawkicker   Jun-06-06 10:53 PM   #132 
                    - I agree  kwassa   Jun-07-06 09:18 AM   #146 
     - "I can't know if they're lying"  GreenArrow   Jun-07-06 08:56 AM   #144 
        - Not if it involves reading their mind.  beam me up scottie   Jun-08-06 11:19 PM   #178 
     - If the definition of Christian = one who believes in Christ,  Random_Australian   Jun-06-06 09:25 PM   #84 
     - Random, I am not taking this as flamebait  arnheim   Jun-06-06 09:38 PM   #90 
     - This takes us back to the ole drawing board.  Proud_Democratt   Jun-06-06 09:49 PM   #96 
     - I'm losing track of the Faith & Works threads  arnheim   Jun-06-06 09:49 PM   #97 
        - A very controversial topic....  Proud_Democratt   Jun-06-06 09:57 PM   #102 
     - Oh, I see.Suggested solution:  Random_Australian   Jun-06-06 10:03 PM   #105 
     - Yes, there is a line that I do not want to cross  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:15 PM   #115 
     - I Think That One Has To  Southpawkicker   Jun-06-06 10:22 PM   #119 
     - Ahh, But You Can Say He Isn't Acting In A Christlike Way!  Southpawkicker   Jun-06-06 10:09 PM   #111 
        - Southpaw is right!  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 10:24 PM   #120 
        - Yes, I know that when I sin, I am not being a good Christian  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:25 PM   #121 
           - Not at all.  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 10:29 PM   #123 
           - I think that it IS a miracle! :D  arnheim   Jun-07-06 08:12 PM   #158 
           - Sometimes You Say What You Have To In Good Conscience  Southpawkicker   Jun-06-06 10:44 PM   #129 
           - Shut up? No! (I am not bieng sarcastic); the way to learn is through  Random_Australian   Jun-07-06 02:46 AM   #139 
              - Thanks. I do explain myself poorly  arnheim   Jun-07-06 08:17 PM   #161 
     - "IF Christian = person who believes in Christ...  GreenArrow   Jun-07-06 10:25 PM   #168 
        - We are talking about judging. I should LOVE to hear it if you have some  Random_Australian   Jun-08-06 06:39 AM   #171 
           - A Godometer?  beam me up scottie   Jun-08-06 11:17 PM   #177 
           - that's a cop out  GreenArrow   Jun-09-06 10:04 AM   #179 
     - I Would Bat An Eye Even At Hitler  Southpawkicker   Jun-06-06 09:54 PM   #100 
        - Back to "faith and works" isn't it?  Proud_Democratt   Jun-06-06 10:08 PM   #109 
           - Of Course We Are Judged By Our Works  Southpawkicker   Jun-06-06 10:13 PM   #112 
              - But can you judge someone by their actions?  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:18 PM   #117 
                 - Whether They Are A Great Person Or Not  Southpawkicker   Jun-06-06 10:32 PM   #126 
  - Actions speak  Brentos   Jun-06-06 07:51 PM   #74 
  - And that is how it should be said  arnheim   Jun-06-06 09:42 PM   #92 
     - Wouldn't it just be easiest and most correct  salvorhardin   Jun-06-06 10:40 PM   #128 
        - Again, saying that someone is a bad Christian - can't that be a  arnheim   Jun-07-06 08:19 PM   #162 
  - Good night and thank you  arnheim   Jun-06-06 10:31 PM   #124 
  - Alternative mantra?  beam me up scottie   Jun-06-06 10:34 PM   #127 
  - Bush is a Christian  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jun-07-06 01:35 AM   #137 
  - Why do you feel the need to "point out " someone is not a Christian?  bluesbassman   Jun-07-06 02:10 AM   #138 
  - I've been thinking....a Jew is still a Jew, a Muslim is still a Muslim,  Proud_Democratt   Jun-07-06 05:41 AM   #140 
  - Sounds reasonable to me. n/t  bluesbassman   Jun-07-06 10:35 AM   #149 
  - This still runs contrary to how I was taught  arnheim   Jun-07-06 08:23 PM   #164 
     - Your first and second statements are correct.  bluesbassman   Jun-08-06 12:10 AM   #169 
        - LOL!  arnheim   Jun-08-06 03:32 PM   #173 
        - By Mars, I think she's got it!  Random_Australian   Jun-08-06 07:23 PM   #176 
           - Snort!  arnheim   Jun-09-06 12:42 PM   #180 
  - i guess the reason is because nonChristians who are considering  arnheim   Jun-07-06 08:13 AM   #141 
     - Your point is well taken.  bluesbassman   Jun-07-06 10:46 AM   #151 
        - Or they could be looking seriously but also looking for a reason  arnheim   Jun-07-06 08:07 PM   #156 
  - The problem is, when Christians say "So and so (or such and  Strong Atheist   Jun-07-06 10:46 AM   #150 
     - Yes, and that is what we've been discussing  arnheim   Jun-07-06 08:05 PM   #155 
        - Ok. Peace. nt.  Strong Atheist   Jun-08-06 06:19 AM   #170 
           - Peace to you, too!  arnheim   Jun-08-06 11:56 AM   #172 
 

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